Gog's endtime construction?

[RandyPNW]

I found that interesting. A curve by its very nature would avoid the predictability of an infinite line. As such, it is finite and constantly changing.

No encryption algorithms for you young man!

I suppose everything is somewhat predictable. I wish I could say I was a "young man." So maybe I'm less predictable than you thought? Only as long as you think in terms of a line will a curve be unpredictable--you're right about that! But once you anticipate a turn, you can anticipate such--you just don't know which direction the turn will take...

[Oseas]

Haha the JEWS always worshipped false gods/false prophets and their horrend idols,

Really? ALWAYS? Even during the time of king David and Solomon and Hezekiah? Have you actually read the bible, or are you just spewing your own preconceived ideas  about Jews without any biblical support whatsoever?

Don't you know? Since they went out from Egypt the idolatry was in their hearts, tought of the wonderful works made before them by GOD , the GOD of their Fathers, the Patriarchs. That generation was terrible, actually since Abel was killed, don't you know? Even GOD thought to destroy them, Moses interceeded before GOD to do not the destruction of the rebbel people. Have you ever read a Torah?

inclusive golden calf, a god whom his fathers knew not, as Daniel the prophet said, according their evil spirit. By the way, JESUS out legions of spirits from the Jews who were possessed by evil spirits. The idolater Jews never linked to the true GOD, so when He came in flesh they received Him not, this is the why they believed not in JESUS, the true Messiah, and GOD. But they will believe and worship in their messiah that will manifest in this current decade, actually AN IMPOSTOR,  a false messiah, because NOW is their own FATHER who was made flesh decades ago, in fact a former Cherub, the son of perdition, yeah, their father will manifest NOW in the end of the times as God, and they will worship him and will acclaim him in a thunderous way, resoundingly, before the whole world, his world.

Why are you using 18th century speech?

Why don't you believe in the Word of GOD? The Word is GOD. GOD, the Word, is from Eternity to Eternity, without beginning and ending. JESUS is the beginning, and the ending, understand?

Of course we differ; JESUS left very clear to the Jews:  Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world (He meant:world of Devil - their father-John 8:44); I am not of this world, said JESUS. John 8:v.23
What about the NT preached by the prophets was not received by the Jews because they reject the GOD of the fathers.

And yet they worshipped God and still do to this day. I actually pray to God thrice a day.

They don't worship GOD, but never, for they do not know GOD until this day, how could they worship GOD, if they are uncircumcised in heart? They are spiritist, they are esoteric and kabbalistic and their religion is pure spiritism,
as ALL religions invented by the spirit of Devil.  JESUS came to save them from the hands of the astute Devil and to make them free from deceitful and diabolical religions of Devil, but they had rejected and still reject this wonderful deliverance and to be free from the power of Satan. They preferred Barabbas, a son of Devil.

John 5:v.43-47
43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name (AN IMPOSTOR, A FALSE MESSIAH, WE CAN SAY AN ESOTERIC, AND KABBALISTIC, AND SPIRITIST MESSIAH, THE FUTURE GUIDE AND RULER OF ISRAEL IN THE LAST WEEK, THE WEEK 70th DANIEL 9:v.27 AS WAS PROPHESIED) him ye will receive.

Umm did you just add words to the bible? All those words in the parenthesis are not in the bible.

Don't you know? There are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit (who is not a ghost as is written in English language, but a Person) : and these three are One.  By the way, the Holy Spirit is the lesser, the smallest, of the three. By the way, whosoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Sspirit shall not be forgiven unto men.
 

Revelation 22:18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.

Now, now, are you believing in the NT for now? You have said to me in prior post that you "don't believe the NT is divine writ". What's that?  OK, it is good to see you are starting to believe in the NT.

I'd say you are in big trouble young man.

Oh no, There are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are One.

The Ancient of days is at door, and Judgment is given to the saints of the most High, the Judgment shall sit, and they shall take away the dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end. And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

Has nothing to do with what I just said, but whatever.

It is what the Word of GOD says. The Word is GOD, understand?

Of course, GOD was speaking of the true ISRAEL

Ohh right, of course. That's what God was talking about in Jeremiah 2. How silly of me not to see it.

You have not learned to differentiate true Israel from uncircumcised and deceiving Israel. Read 1Kings 20:v.13 to 15 and try to understand the why the TRUE Israel had only 7 thousands true Israelites. By the way, now, even now, in the end of the Devil's world only and only 144K will be gathered and sealed by the Most High and Almighty GOD. The others, well, the others, ... Matthew 23:v.31-33

Continues in the next post later.

[Oseas]

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Of course, GOD was speaking of the true ISRAEL
Ohh right, of course. That's what God was talking about in Jeremiah 2. How silly of me not to see it.

Now the word of the LORD came to me, saying, “Go and proclaim in the hearing of Jerusalem that this is what the LORD says: ‘I remember the devotion of your youth, your love as a bride, how you followed Me in the wilderness, in a land not sown. Israel was holy to the LORD, the firstfruits of His harvest. All who devoured her found themselves guilty; disaster came upon them..."

I mean, it's talking about an event that took place hundreds of years earlier, and

Jeremiah 31: Hear, O nations, the word of the LORD, and proclaim it in distant coastlands: “The One who scattered Israel will gather them and keep them as a shepherd keeps his flock.

is talking about a distant future event, but sure, it's the same 144,000.  They're immortal or something. "There can be only one!" He also speaks with 18th century idioms. Sometimes.

What does he Word of GOD say? Jeremiah 11:v.15:
15 - What hath MY BELOVED to do in mine house seeing she hath wrought lewdness with many, and the holy flesh is passed from thee? when thou doest evil, then thou rejoicest.

And Isaiah said: Is. 5:v.1 to 6
1 Now will I sing to my wellbeloved a song of my beloved touching his vineyard. My wellbeloved hath a vineyard in a very fruitful hill:

2 And he fenced it, and gathered out the stones thereof, and planted it with the choicest vine, and built a tower in the midst of it, and also made a winepress therein: and he looked that it should bring forth grapes, and it brought forth wild grapes.

3 And now, O inhabitants of Jerusalem, and men of Judah, judge, I pray you, betwixt me and my vineyard.

4 What could have been done more to my vineyard, that I have not done in it? wherefore, when I looked that it should bring forth grapes, brought it forth wild grapes?

5 And now go to; I will tell you what I will do to my vineyard: I will take away the hedge thereof, and it shall be eaten up; and break down the wall thereof, and it shall be trodden down:

6 And I will lay it waste: it shall not be pruned, nor digged; but there shall come up briers and thorns: I will also command the clouds that they rain no rain upon it.

Jeremiah 11:v.14-17
14 Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up a cry or prayer for them: for I will not hear them in the time that they cry unto me for their trouble.

15 What hath my beloved to do in mine house, seeing she hath wrought lewdness with many, and the holy flesh is passed from thee? when thou doest evil, then thou rejoicest.

16 The Lord called thy name, A green olive tree, fair, and of goodly fruit: with the noise of a great tumult he hath kindled fire upon it, and the branches of it are broken.

17 For the Lord of hosts, that planted thee, hath pronounced evil against thee, for the evil of the house of Israel and of the house of Judah, which they have done against themselves to provoke me to anger in offering incense unto Baal.

Jeremiah 30:v.23-24
23 Behold, the whirlwind of the Lord goeth forth with fury, a continuing whirlwind: it shall fall with pain upon the head of the wicked.

24 The fierce anger of the Lord shall not return, until he hath done it, and until he have performed the intents of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it.

Get ready

[Oseas]

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Jeremiah prophesied also their shameful captiviy by 70 years in Babylon.  The history of Israel, even after the return from the capitivity and rebuild of the temple is very very sad due their extreme corruption and desecration,
so GOD stoped to send prophets among them until the Messiah - JESUS - who was murderered by the Jews, for they preferred Barabbas, an evil and devilish man, instead JESUS. They crucified JESUS

Umm so wasn't that the Romans? I mean, it's right in your bible and everything.
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No, was not the Romans, was really the Jews. The high priest then asked Jesus of his disciples, and of his doctrine, and Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing, so why askest thou me? ask them which heard me, what I have said unto them: behold, they know what I said, and when he had thus spoken, one of the officers which stood by struck Jesus with the palm of his hand, saying, Answerest thou the high priest so? Then Annas had sent him bound unto Caiaphas the high priest.

JESUS was led to Caiaphas unto the hall of Judgment, it was early and they themselves went not into the Judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover. Pilate then went out unto the Jews and said, What accusation bring ye against this man? They answered and said unto him, If he were not a malefactor, we would not have delivered him up unto thee. Pilate said unto the Jews, Take you him, and judge him according to your law. The Jews therefore said unto him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death:

Pilate entered into the Judgment hall again, and called Jesus, and said unto him, Are you the King of the Jews?  Jesus answered him, Say you this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me?  Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what has you done? Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Pilate said unto JESUS:  Are you a king then? Jesus answered, You say that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heares my voice.  Pilate said unto JESUS:  What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and said unto the JEWS: I find in him no fault at all.

But you have a custom, that should release unto you one at the passover: will you that I release unto you the King of the Jews? Then ALL THE JEWS cried again, saying:  Not this man, not JESUS, but Barabbas. And Barabbas was a robber.  By the way, even the temple was transformed in a den of robbers. 

[Oseas]

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and after 40 years, the people of Israel was severely punished, hundreds of thousands were killed, the temple and the holy city were destroyed, Israel was scattered around the world AND THEY REMAINED PUNISHED SEVERELY FOR 1.878 years in fulfillment  Deuteronomy 28v.15 to 68, 53 verses of extreme punishments and curses.
Weirdly enough, mostly by so called Christians.

Have you never read Deuteronomy 28:v.15 to 68 in the Torah? If the Jews had believed in Moses certainly they had avoid the severe chastisements and CURSES according the Word of GOD written in the Torah. The Word is GOD, understand?

[Oseas]

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And they returned in 1.948, returned in 1948 for the false messiah to be born, and to do what is commanded in the Scriptures, I mean, to establish the Abomination of Desolation in the middle of the week as Daniel prophesied, then the end will come.
You still haven't explained how Jews are going to worship a person who claims to be God when Jews don't believe a person can be God. Still awaiting your explanation.

What you are saying has not any sense, I explained and now by your own words you are confessing that you didn't understand???

See, the idolater Jews never was linked to the true GOD, of course, so when He came in flesh they received Him not,  GOD was made flesh and chose a NAME for He Himself-JESUS- and this is the why the JEWS believed not in JESUS, the true Messiah, and GOD.

But they will believe in their false messiah and worship him as soon he manifest himself among the people of Israel, by the way, today Israel is full of idolatries and witcheries. The false messiah of the JEWS will manifest himself in this current decade, actually AN IMPOSTOR,  a false messiah.

They rejected JESUS because JESUS is GOD made flesh.

But NOW they will worship the false messiah as God because he is THEIR own FATHER.  Their father was born decades ago, he was made flesh decades ago, in fact a former Cherub, the son of perdition, yeah, their father will manifest NOW in the end of the times as God, and they will worship him and will acclaim him in a thunderous way, resoundingly, even before the whole world, actually his world, after all he is their father and they will worship their father, of course.

[Athanasius]

I suppose everything is somewhat predictable. I wish I could say I was a "young man." So maybe I'm less predictable than you thought? Only as long as you think in terms of a line will a curve be unpredictable--you're right about that! But once you anticipate a turn, you can anticipate such--you just don't know which direction the turn will take...

When I was a teenager some of the people I knew best were in their 100s. I figure, if you studied the trinity in the 1970s (or were otherwise involved in a modalist cult), then at a minimum you're in your 60s or more likely, pushing or in your early to mid-70s. That's like, ~30-something years to go before you catch up to the oldest person I've known, and a ~30-year difference is nothing to scoff at. That makes you young.

P.S. I didn't know anyone over 100 who wasn't ready to move on from this life. If you can help out, don't try to set any longevity records or anything.

[RandyPNW]

I suppose everything is somewhat predictable. I wish I could say I was a "young man." So maybe I'm less predictable than you thought? Only as long as you think in terms of a line will a curve be unpredictable--you're right about that! But once you anticipate a turn, you can anticipate such--you just don't know which direction the turn will take...

When I was a teenager some of the people I knew best were in their 100s. I figure, if you studied the trinity in the 1970s (or were otherwise involved in a modalist cult), then at a minimum you're in your 60s or more likely, pushing or in your early to mid-70s. That's like, ~30-something years to go before you catch up to the oldest person I've known, and a ~30-year difference is nothing to scoff at. That makes you young.

P.S. I didn't know anyone over 100 who wasn't ready to move on from this life. If you can help out, don't try to set any longevity records or anything.

All that when I just wanted to explain, "I'm not a young man." I'm just correcting your mischaracterization--nothing personal.

I'm not particularly bright, but I am in fact getting old. Not rushing things either way. Just enjoying the ride.

For what it's worth, I'm still in my 60s, and act perpetually young. I've always had a ton of energy, and never try to hide my boyish excitement about things of the Lord.

[Athanasius]

All that when I just wanted to explain, "I'm not a young man." I'm just correcting your mischaracterization--nothing personal.

I'm not particularly bright, but I am in fact getting old. Not rushing things either way. Just enjoying the ride.

For what it's worth, I'm still in my 60s, and act perpetually young. I've always had a ton of energy, and never try to hide my boyish excitement about things of the Lord.

Well, that was a bit of cheek rather than a mischaracterization.

I know you don't think you're a "young man" nor are considered such by broader society. But, let's say you're going to be the equivalent of one trillion years old one day. You've lived what, 6.5 × 10-9% of your life? So much time on this earth, and of such significance, only for it to pale with respect to eternity. Will we have perfect memories? Will there one day come a 'time' where this will be as if it never happened? Will the new creation be so awesome that we'll pay not think further on this life mere seconds after arriving? Existence is burdonsome. What a terrifying gift.

So old man, it sounds like you're already resting easy in the slow decay of your body.

[RandyPNW]

All that when I just wanted to explain, "I'm not a young man." I'm just correcting your mischaracterization--nothing personal.

I'm not particularly bright, but I am in fact getting old. Not rushing things either way. Just enjoying the ride.

For what it's worth, I'm still in my 60s, and act perpetually young. I've always had a ton of energy, and never try to hide my boyish excitement about things of the Lord.

Well, that was a bit of cheek rather than a mischaracterization.

I know you don't think you're a "young man" nor are considered such by broader society. But, let's say you're going to be the equivalent of one trillion years old one day. You've lived what, 6.5 × 10-9% of your life? So much time on this earth, and of such significance, only for it to pale with respect to eternity. Will we have perfect memories? Will there one day come a 'time' where this will be as if it never happened? Will the new creation be so awesome that we'll pay not think further on this life mere seconds after arriving? Existence is burdonsome. What a terrifying gift.

So old man, it sounds like you're already resting easy in the slow decay of your body.

Are you always this fun? I mean that--you're an interesting guy, but less so, because you know it.

I really have to think about what you're saying. Yes, I think we'll remember things. And yes, it will so pale in comparison with our new life in eternity that we won't give it much thought. All of the dread of looking at our mistakes repeatedly for all eternity will seem like so much spilled water.

I tend to think the next world will be just like the present world, absent the ability to get hurt and die. No procreation, but clearly, something better....

There will be no more need for maturing, or progressing. I suppose the only "progress" will be churning out a constant productivity, expressing our individual gifts in contribution to the whole.

It may be like an artist with an endless number of ideas for doing paintings. Or, a builder who feels unrestrained in his designs. But zero boredom, and a continuous sense of fulfillment.

[Fenris]

Don't you know? Since they went out from Egypt the idolatry was in their hearts, tought of the wonderful works made before them by GOD , the GOD of their Fathers, the Patriarchs. That generation was terrible, actually since Abel was killed, don't you know? Even GOD thought to destroy them, Moses interceeded before GOD to do not the destruction of the rebbel people. Have you ever read a Torah?

I dunno, have you?

Exodus 29:42 “So I will consecrate the tent of meeting and the altar and will consecrate Aaron and his sons to serve me as priests. Then I will dwell among the Israelites and be their God. They will know that I am the Lord their God, who brought them out of Egypt so that I might dwell among them. I am the Lord their God."

Whoa! I can't believe that's in the Torah!

Why don't you believe in the Word of GOD? The Word is GOD. GOD, the Word, is from Eternity to Eternity, without beginning and ending. JESUS is the beginning, and the ending, understand?

I know you believe this. But why should I? Nothing you've said has been convincing in the least I'm afraid. Or coherent for that matter.

They don't worship GOD, but never, for they do not know GOD until this day, how could they worship GOD, if they are uncircumcised in heart? They are spiritist, they are esoteric and kabbalistic and their religion is pure spiritism,as ALL religions invented by the spirit of Devil. 

So I'm praying to the devil three times a day? Wait, lemme check. No, my prayer book very clearly says "God". Actually in Hebrew.

Umm did you just add words to the bible? All those words in the parenthesis are not in the bible.

Don't you know? There are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit (who is not a ghost as is written in English language, but a Person) : and these three are One.  By the way, the Holy Spirit is the lesser, the smallest, of the three. By the way, whosoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Sspirit shall not be forgiven unto men.

OK, so basically you're perfectly fine with adding words to the bible. Your credibility is shot with me.

Now, now, are you believing in the NT for now? You have said to me in prior post that you "don't believe the NT is divine writ". What's that?  OK, it is good to see you are starting to believe in the NT.

Apparently you don't believe it either, or you wouldn't be adding words as you see fit.

You have not learned to differentiate true Israel from uncircumcised and deceiving Israel. Read 1Kings 20:v.13 to 15 and try to understand the why the TRUE Israel had only 7 thousands true Israelites.

Umm all this says is that there were 7,000 soldiers of Israel in a battle. It says nothing about who are "true Israelites". This is just so much nonsense, why am I even responding?

Continues in the next post later.

I can barely contain my excitement.

[Fenris]

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Of course, GOD was speaking of the true ISRAEL
Ohh right, of course. That's what God was talking about in Jeremiah 2. How silly of me not to see it.

Now the word of the LORD came to me, saying, “Go and proclaim in the hearing of Jerusalem that this is what the LORD says: ‘I remember the devotion of your youth, your love as a bride, how you followed Me in the wilderness, in a land not sown. Israel was holy to the LORD, the firstfruits of His harvest. All who devoured her found themselves guilty; disaster came upon them..."

I mean, it's talking about an event that took place hundreds of years earlier, and

Jeremiah 31: Hear, O nations, the word of the LORD, and proclaim it in distant coastlands: “The One who scattered Israel will gather them and keep them as a shepherd keeps his flock.

is talking about a distant future event, but sure, it's the same 144,000.  They're immortal or something. "There can be only one!" He also speaks with 18th century idioms. Sometimes.

What does he Word of GOD say? Jeremiah 11:v.15:
15 - What hath MY BELOVED to do in mine house seeing she hath wrought lewdness with many, and the holy flesh is passed from thee? when thou doest evil, then thou rejoicest.

And Isaiah said: Is. 5:v.1 to 6
1 Now will I sing to my wellbeloved a song of my beloved touching his vineyard. My wellbeloved hath a vineyard in a very fruitful hill:

2 And he fenced it, and gathered out the stones thereof, and planted it with the choicest vine, and built a tower in the midst of it, and also made a winepress therein: and he looked that it should bring forth grapes, and it brought forth wild grapes.

3 And now, O inhabitants of Jerusalem, and men of Judah, judge, I pray you, betwixt me and my vineyard.

4 What could have been done more to my vineyard, that I have not done in it? wherefore, when I looked that it should bring forth grapes, brought it forth wild grapes?

5 And now go to; I will tell you what I will do to my vineyard: I will take away the hedge thereof, and it shall be eaten up; and break down the wall thereof, and it shall be trodden down:

6 And I will lay it waste: it shall not be pruned, nor digged; but there shall come up briers and thorns: I will also command the clouds that they rain no rain upon it.

Jeremiah 11:v.14-17
14 Therefore pray not thou for this people, neither lift up a cry or prayer for them: for I will not hear them in the time that they cry unto me for their trouble.

15 What hath my beloved to do in mine house, seeing she hath wrought lewdness with many, and the holy flesh is passed from thee? when thou doest evil, then thou rejoicest.

16 The Lord called thy name, A green olive tree, fair, and of goodly fruit: with the noise of a great tumult he hath kindled fire upon it, and the branches of it are broken.

17 For the Lord of hosts, that planted thee, hath pronounced evil against thee, for the evil of the house of Israel and of the house of Judah, which they have done against themselves to provoke me to anger in offering incense unto Baal.

Jeremiah 30:v.23-24
23 Behold, the whirlwind of the Lord goeth forth with fury, a continuing whirlwind: it shall fall with pain upon the head of the wicked.

24 The fierce anger of the Lord shall not return, until he hath done it, and until he have performed the intents of his heart: in the latter days ye shall consider it.

Get ready

I don't understand what these verses have to do with anything. It's like you just posted a bunch of verses at random.

[Fenris]

No, was not the Romans, was really the Jews.

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Pilate entered into the Judgment hall again

Pilate was a dictator. Pilate could do whatever he wanted, and he always did. To say that at this one moment Pilate was beholden to anything other than the Roman legions is just silly.

And who put Jesus on the cross? Roman soldiers. Who pierced him with a spear? A Roman soldier. Whose sins did he die for? All of humanity. But sure, lets blame the Jews for this. And everything else that goes wrong for that matter.

But you have a custom, that should release unto you one at the passover:

There is no evidence for this "custom".

[Fenris]

Have you never read Deuteronomy 28:v.15 to 68 in the Torah?

Weirdly enough, at least once a year.

If the Jews had believed in Moses certainly they had avoid the severe chastisements and CURSES according the Word of GOD written in the Torah.

They could believe Moses and still fell short because they were human. Or do you lead a perfect, sinless life? Yeah I didn't think so.

[Fenris]

What you are saying has not any sense, I explained and now by your own words you are confessing that you didn't understand???

See, the idolater Jews never was linked to the true GOD, of course, so when He came in flesh they received Him not,  GOD was made flesh and chose a NAME for He Himself-JESUS- and this is the why the JEWS believed not in JESUS, the true Messiah, and GOD.

But they will believe in their false messiah and worship him as soon he manifest himself among the people of Israel, by the way, today Israel is full of idolatries and witcheries. The false messiah of the JEWS will manifest himself in this current decade, actually AN IMPOSTOR,  a false messiah.

They rejected JESUS because JESUS is GOD made flesh.

But NOW they will worship the false messiah as God because he is THEIR own FATHER.  Their father was born decades ago, he was made flesh decades ago, in fact a former Cherub, the son of perdition, yeah, their father will manifest NOW in the end of the times as God, and they will worship him and will acclaim him in a thunderous way, resoundingly, even before the whole world, actually his world, after all he is their father and they will worship their father, of course.

Yeah I don't think you're understanding me at all.

Jews don't believe that God can be a person. It's one of the reasons that they reject Jesus's claims of messiahship. Yet somehow they're going to accept a false messiah who claims to be God? Are you even reading what I'm saying at all?