Gog's endtime construction?

[Oseas]

No, there will not be any military invasion of Israel in the current decade-2020 to 2030.

I don't even know if Russia will invade the Ukraine tomorrow, but you know for a fact that Israel won't be invaded any time in this decade?

Does your crystal ball also provide lottery numbers?

Why crystal ball, if it is a devilish squeme used by deceiver spirits like frogs? I work with the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD. But what will really happen in Israel in near days to come, or even what kind of invasion will happen in Israel? I will try to describe it of the best manner I can, English is not my native language.

Your thinking is from a human perspective, not from GOD's perspective!  I see that the line up of your vision still needs of some corrections to fit with the real and true events that will happen from now on, day after day, strictly, yes, strictly according the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD, understand? GOD is in control of history, nothing random happens.

Israel will not be invaded by Russians' armies or other nation.

How really will Israel be invaded?

What will really happen in Israel is that the false messiah will manifest himself (he was born decades ago) and he will sit on his throne in Jerusalem saying he is God, showing himself that he is God by great signs and wonders of lie he has power to do. THIS SATANIC EVENT will cause a great impact in the world, even the CHRISTIANS BELIEVERS will be astonished with this event and the great wonders that will be made by the false messiah: And now: Believe or not believe in that Jewish Man messiah of the Jews?

Then, as a God, he will make a COVENANT with the Beast of sea, in fact he will give his Power, and his Throne, and great Authority to the Gentile Beast of sea enthroned in Jerusalem, and the CURT will be given to the Gentile peoples, Gentile nations, and the Holy City shall they tread under foot AS AN INVASION forty and two months-1.260 days. THIS IS/WILL BE THE FIRST HALF OF THE WEEK 70th Daniel 9:v.27.

THERE WILL NOT BE WWIII, the only  World War that will happen from now on and until the END of the times is written in Revelation 11:v.15 to 18, and 12:v.7, combined with Revelation 16:v.13-16, and Revelation 19:v.11 to 21, and 1Corinthians 15:v.24-28.

You and ALL must be ready.

What does the Word of GOD say?

JESUS warned: Matt. 24:v.6-8:
VERSE 6 -  Ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the END is not yet. (Comment: This is fulfilling literally and will continue in future by indefinite days, day after day).

VERSE 7 - For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: (Comments: Understand: For now the fulfilment of this prophecy is in stand by because we are in the beginning of sorrows. Actually, the extension of this prophecy goes far, very far,  inimaginable, because the chastisements have its beginning, yeah, its beginning, but it WILL NEVER END, it WILL NEVER STOP, BUT NEVER, the punishment is ETERNAL, it is for ever and ever, understand? Once the Word of GOD says it is nation against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, understand it, there will not be any kind of "Federation" or Confederations-for examples-,and also united groups that still there are today as follow :

UN - United Nations Organization
NATO - North Atlantic Treaty Organization
OAS - Organization of American States
WTO - World Trade Organization
UNESCO - United Nations Organization for Education, Science and Culture
OECD - Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.
BIRD - International Bank for Reconstruction and Development.
IMF - International Monetary Fund
WHO - World Health Organization
ILO - International Labor Organization, 

ALL, but ALL, will be destroied, will be DISSOLVED, yeah, DISSOLVED, like an GIGANTIC IMPLOSION, by analogy, something like the INIMAGINABLE fall of the two TOWERS of the WTC-Word Trade Center, so the confusion or mess is done, in other words, the hell's fire starts to burn, the eternal fire, yeah, forever and ever.
For better understand of you and ALL, I remember 2 Peter 3:v.7 to 18:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

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[Oseas]

Granted...Israel must be weaned off of the U.S. in order to get her to turn back to God.  Israel alone will cause her return back to God.    But what happened to the U.S.? 

Israel will not return to GOD. Israel never was linked to GOD. What Israel's king did what was good before GOD?

HOW could Israel return to GOD once GOD will send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie? That THEY ALL (EXCEPT 144K) they all might be DAMNED who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.  THIS PROPHECY WILL FULFILL LITERALLY IN NEAR DAYS TO COME.

Those which will really be saved of Israel is written in Revelation 7:v.1 to 17, mainly verses 1 to 4. 

[Fenris]

On the other hand, I'm arguing that even though God is transcendent (we all agree on that), the book of Job is an actual explanation as to "Why" God subjected Job to his suffering. It was due to a conversation between God and Satan

If this was the reason why, God could have answered Job in a single sentence. But He doesn't. Instead God goes on for some length about how man can't understand God because we are only man.

[Fenris]

How really will Israel be invaded?

What will really happen in Israel is that the false messiah will manifest himself (he was born decades ago) and he will sit on his throne in Jerusalem saying he is God

Yeah so umm... Jews don't believe that the messiah is God manifest on earth. The messiah will be an exemplary human being, someone on the order of Moses. Only not quite Moses, because the messiah's power of prophecy will be less than Moses's was. You might not have come across it (although how one could miss such a thing, I do not know) but one of the reasons that the Jews do not accept Jesus as the messiah is precisely those claims of divinity. So to say that they will somehow accept messianic claims of divinity is just...yeah. Not gonna happen.

[Fenris]

Israel will not return to GOD.

Jeremiah 31: Hear, O nations, the word of the LORD, and proclaim it in distant coastlands: “The One who scattered Israel will gather them and keep them as a shepherd keeps his flock."

Israel never was linked to GOD.

Jeremiah 2: Now the word of the LORD came to me, saying, “Go and proclaim in the hearing of Jerusalem that this is what the LORD says: ‘I remember the devotion of your youth, your love as a bride, how you followed Me in the wilderness, in a land not sown. Israel was holy to the LORD, the firstfruits of His harvest. All who devoured her found themselves guilty; disaster came upon them,’ ” declares the LORD.

What Israel's king did what was good before GOD?

Oh, I dunno. Kings David and Solomon come to mind.

HOW could Israel return to GOD once GOD will send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie?

So God prevents Israel from returning to God, and then punishes Israel for not returning to God. Some nice theology you got there.

[Oseas]

You should work with the Word of GOD - the Word is GOD -  instead to work with speculations, imaginations, presumptions, and conjectures, and even your own opinion.   

Yeah so umm... Jews don't believe that the messiah is God manifest on earth.

Mere presumption of you. You are saying that, but what did JESUS say to the Jews? "I am come in my Father's name, and you receive me not: if another (AN IMPOSTOR, A FALSE MESSIAH) shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. How can you believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that comes from God ONLY? 

What prevails is the Word of GOD. GOD is Truth. God shall send them STRONG DELUSION, that they should believe a lie, that is, they believe in the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist messiah, the satanic Man Beast like a lamb with two horns and he speaks as Dragon. 

It seems you prefer to believe in false interpretation instead a true interpretation of the Word of GOD, unfortunately. The Word is GOD, understand? 

The messiah will be an exemplary human being, someone on the order of Moses.

Now a mere imagination of you. The devilish, esoteric, kabbalistic, spiritist false messiah is a ruthless and wicked man, he will give his Power, and his Throne and great Authority to the FIRST Beast, the MONSTROUS Gentile Beast of sea with 7 heads and 10 horns, and he will cause the earth -Israel - and all them which dwell therein to worship the FIRST Beast, the Gentile Beast of sea, whose deadly wound will be healed - healed by the false messiah - exactly when he gives his Power, and his Throne and great Authority to the Gentile Beast, the Beast of sea.

Only not quite Moses, because the messiah's power of prophecy will be less than Moses's was.

By your own words it seems the false messiah is familiar to you. In fact, he was born decades ago and will manifest himself soon.

You might not have come across it (although how one could miss such a thing, I do not know) but one of the reasons that the Jews do not accept Jesus as the messiah is precisely those claims of divinity. So to say that they will somehow accept messianic claims of divinity is just...yeah. Not gonna happen.

If you had ever read the Bible some time, I mean the Old and New Testaments, you would see that the Jewish people would reject Him,  and they really rejected Him for many reasons, and not just for the single reason you mentioned. Sorry, you are wrong.

Oh, I dunno. Kings David and Solomon come to mind.

OK, you were cunning in your answer, but the reality is that the 10 tribes of Israel rebelled against the house of David, and established a terrific and evil kingdom in Samaria, Israel is a Samaritan people,  their kigs were evil, wicked, demoniac men, FULL OF SATANIC IDOLATRIES, and they killed all MEN OF GOD, the true prophets of the LORD, and left alive THE SATANIC FALSE PROPHETS, and they have nothing to do with the Kingdom of Judah.
Read the Bible.

So God prevents Israel from returning to God, and then punishes Israel for not returning to God. Some nice theology you got there.

The probem is that your thinking is from a human perspective, not from God's perspective. This behaviour is very danger. Matthew 16:v.21-22

[Fenris]

You should work with the Word of GOD - the Word is GOD -  instead to work with speculations, imaginations, presumptions, and conjectures, and even your own opinion.   

Yeah, and I generally quote the bible too.

Yeah so umm... Jews don't believe that the messiah is God manifest on earth.

Mere presumption of you.

Haha yes of course. But you misunderstand my point here. I'm not debating whether Jewish beliefs are correct or not. That's for another discussion. What I'm saying is that Jews are not going to worship a "false messiah" who claims to be God because Jews don't believe the messiah is God on earth. Understand?

What prevails is the Word of GOD. GOD is Truth. God shall send them STRONG DELUSION, that they should believe a lie, that is, they believe in the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist messiah, the satanic Man Beast like a lamb with two horns and he speaks as Dragon. 

It seems you prefer to believe in false interpretation instead a true interpretation of the Word of GOD, unfortunately. The Word is GOD, understand? 

We differ because I don't believe the NT is divine writ, and you do. Makes a big difference in what one believes you see.

The messiah will be an exemplary human being, someone on the order of Moses.

Now a mere imagination of you. The devilish, esoteric, kabbalistic, spiritist false messiah is a ruthless and wicked man, he will give his Power, and his Throne and great Authority to the FIRST Beast, the MONSTROUS Gentile Beast of sea with 7 heads and 10 horns, and he will cause the earth -Israel - and all them which dwell therein to worship the FIRST Beast, the Gentile Beast of sea, whose deadly wound will be healed - healed by the false messiah - exactly when he gives his Power, and his Throne and great Authority to the Gentile Beast, the Beast of sea.

Umm yeah. I wasn't aware that the idea of a "false messiah" was accepted Christian doctrine. If I'm not mistaken, most Christians don't believe in this idea. Anyone, anyone, Bueller, anyone?

Only not quite Moses, because the messiah's power of prophecy will be less than Moses's was.

By your own words it seems the false messiah is familiar to you. In fact, he was born decades ago and will manifest himself soon.

Yeah he lives up the block from me. Sometimes he shovels snow in a unicorn costume. I don't know why he does that but I assume he must have a good reason. I have pictures if you're interested.

You might not have come across it (although how one could miss such a thing, I do not know) but one of the reasons that the Jews do not accept Jesus as the messiah is precisely those claims of divinity. So to say that they will somehow accept messianic claims of divinity is just...yeah. Not gonna happen.

If you had ever read the Bible some time, I mean the Old and New Testaments, you would see that the Jewish people would reject Him,  and they really rejected Him for many reasons, and not just for the single reason you mentioned. Sorry, you are wrong.

Have you met my wife? She tells me I'm wrong all the time, too. Is there some conspiracy against me or wot?

Oh, I dunno. Kings David and Solomon come to mind.

OK, you were cunning in your answer, but the reality is that the 10 tribes of Israel rebelled against the house of David, and established a terrific and evil kingdom in Samaria, Israel is a Samaritan people,  their kigs were evil, wicked, demoniac men, FULL OF SATANIC IDOLATRIES, and they killed all MEN OF GOD, the true prophets of the LORD, and left alive THE SATANIC FALSE PROPHETS, and they have nothing to do with the Kingdom of Judah.
Read the Bible.

One second.  You said, and I quote, "What Israel's king did what was good before GOD?" And I just named two, David and Solomon. Hezekiah comes to mind also. What's this ranting and raving about? It has nothing to do with the topic.

So God prevents Israel from returning to God, and then punishes Israel for not returning to God. Some nice theology you got there.

The probem is that your thinking is from a human perspective, not from God's perspective. This behaviour is very danger. Matthew 16:v.21-22

So from God's perspective, it's ok to prevent someone from returning to God and then punishing them for that. That seems, I dunno, needlessly sadistic? Look it up.

Also going to repost these verses, since you seem to have missed them. Or maybe they're not in your bible.


You said

Israel will not return to GOD.

And I replied-

Jeremiah 31: Hear, O nations, the word of the LORD, and proclaim it in distant coastlands: “The One who scattered Israel will gather them and keep them as a shepherd keeps his flock."

You also said

Israel never was linked to GOD.

and I replied

Jeremiah 2: Now the word of the LORD came to me, saying, “Go and proclaim in the hearing of Jerusalem that this is what the LORD says: ‘I remember the devotion of your youth, your love as a bride, how you followed Me in the wilderness, in a land not sown. Israel was holy to the LORD, the firstfruits of His harvest. All who devoured her found themselves guilty; disaster came upon them,’ ” declares the LORD.

[RandyPNW]

I know, sadly, that some see a demon behind every shadow and completely over-Peretti the issue, but for we humans to assume that the cosmic war between God and Satan doesn't include us is such huberis.

I agree, but I don't like the term "over-Peretti." He is from our area, and at least one friend knows him. And a number of my friends love his books. In fact, one friend, who now lives in another state, just mentioned him a few days ago. It is often said that Peretti had unique insight into angels.

I don't wander too close to the subject of angels, because it is annoyingly obscure--probably deliberately so. We all seem to have our "angel-stories."

[RandyPNW]

On the other hand, I'm arguing that even though God is transcendent (we all agree on that), the book of Job is an actual explanation as to "Why" God subjected Job to his suffering. It was due to a conversation between God and Satan

If this was the reason why, God could have answered Job in a single sentence. But He doesn't. Instead God goes on for some length about how man can't understand God because we are only man.

Think about it, friend. God answered the way He did because He chose to.

The answer explained via a long discourse focusing on something that was critical to focus on--the shortsightedness of our nature. We tend to see things by appearances, and fail to see through the eyes of faith, that even in the midst of suffering a good God has designed the universe.

We both know that. And yet we still are tempted to anger and depression--at least I am. I hope you don't suffer the anguish I sometimes feel?

[ProDeo]

I'm not rejecting Job. In reading the book I agree with what Job has to say throughout chapters 9 - 10 and following, in arguing against his friends that he has not sinned. But I don't know, this reads like a solid theodicy written by a gifted philosophical theologian. That ending especially, beginning at 42:10. God restores Job's fortunes doubly so, but too bad about all the other people who died in the process, I guess.

John 21:19 - This he [Jesus] said to show by what kind of death he [Peter] was to glorify God.

[RabbiKnife]

I know, sadly, that some see a demon behind every shadow and completely over-Peretti the issue, but for we humans to assume that the cosmic war between God and Satan doesn't include us is such huberis.

I agree, but I don't like the term "over-Peretti." He is from our area, and at least one friend knows him. And a number of my friends love his books. In fact, one friend, who now lives in another state, just mentioned him a few days ago. It is often said that Peretti had unique insight into angels.

I don't wander too close to the subject of angels, because it is annoyingly obscure--probably deliberately so. We all seem to have our "angel-stories."

I generally like Perretti.

My point is that some don’t understand he was writing fiction and not a systematic theology

[Athanasius]

Think about it, friend. God answered the way He did because He chose to.

The answer explained via a long discourse focusing on something that was critical to focus on--the shortsightedness of our nature. We tend to see things by appearances, and fail to see through the eyes of faith, that even in the midst of suffering a good God has designed the universe.

We both know that. And yet we still are tempted to anger and depression--at least I am. I hope you don't suffer the anguish I sometimes feel?

It's not that we're shortsighted by nature, it's that as created creatures we don't have the capacity to understand the things of God. This has nothing to do with the tendency to judge things by their appearance, or neglect 'the eyes of faith'. It's a hard limit on our existence. Go ahead and imagine a tesseract in your mind. You can't. You could maybe describe it with math, but not being a fourth or even fifth-dimensional creature you simply lack the perspective and frame of reference to do such a thing. These hard limits aren't bad; they're just facts of our existence. Why do you think we humans have these ideas of ascending to higher planes of existence, to better understandings of reality?

God comes from a place external to our very reality. Why would anyone think that they could understand the mind of a being who hasn't always existed within our present creation? Is it even proper to say that 'God comes from'? And what do we mean by 'place'? We're talking about a being whose very revelation of Himself to us is, like... condescending. We are tiny little creatures who hold to a pretence of understanding. How stupid are we to sin against that. How so incredibly stupid.

God didn't give Job a why. Nor did Job say to God, "I am blameless". I wonder why.

Job 40:8
“Would you discredit my justice? Would you condemn me to justify yourself?

And what does Job do with all of this?

Job 42:
Then Job replied to the Lord:

2 “I know that you can do all things;
    no purpose of yours can be thwarted.
3 You asked, ‘Who is this that obscures my plans without knowledge?’
    Surely I spoke of things I did not understand,
    things too wonderful for me to know.

4 “You said, ‘Listen now, and I will speak;
    I will question you,
    and you shall answer me.’
5 My ears had heard of you
    but now my eyes have seen you.
6 Therefore I despise myself
    and repent in dust and ashes.”

Job was going to go for it, but what can you possibly do or say against the majesty of God? "Yes God you're wonderful, but look, this was unjust!" Good luck. I can't recall a time when I've discredited God's justice, but I have wondered at God's seeming apathy. But I know that this is nothing to do with some divine character fault. I can spend 37 chapters talking myself up, but I'd be right there with Job in 42:6.

(When Job's family is killed. Maybe that tells us something about bad things: they can happen to people and not just because of sin or disobedience in one's life.)

[Athanasius]

I'm not rejecting Job. In reading the book I agree with what Job has to say throughout chapters 9 - 10 and following, in arguing against his friends that he has not sinned. But I don't know, this reads like a solid theodicy written by a gifted philosophical theologian. That ending especially, beginning at 42:10. God restores Job's fortunes doubly so, but too bad about all the other people who died in the process, I guess.

John 21:19 - This he [Jesus] said to show by what kind of death he [Peter] was to glorify God.

I think the point was to show that suffering wasn't always because of sin or disobedience. I wouldn't apply John 21 to Satan's killing of Job's family. John 21 was about Peter.

[Oseas]

It's not that we're shortsighted by nature, it's that as created creatures we don't have the capacity to understand the things of God.

1Corinthians 2:v.9-11

11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

10 But God hath revealed them unto us by His Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of GOD.    (GOD is Spirit, but two thousand years ago He was made flesh, and chose a NAME for He Himself-JESUS. And JESUS said: He that believeth on me, as the Scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on Him should receive: for the Holy Spirit was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.-John 7:v.38-39.  The Word is GOD. The Bible by entire reveals, and shows clearly how GOD is).

9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which GOD hath prepared for them that love him.

JESUS said: Unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.  (In consequence, he will wither completely like the fig tree.

[Fenris]

Think about it, friend. God answered the way He did because He chose to.

God answered that way because he was reaching Job the same lesson meant for us to learn: God does things for reasons that make sense to Him even if they don't make sense to us. Even if they can't make sense to us, because we are frail mortals of limited intelligence and can't understand God's unlimited intelligence.