Gog's endtime construction?

[RandyPNW]

Which direction will Russia go, particularly in light of the Gog prophecy?
It's a darn good question. I have a bit unusual perspective, though I got my ideas from others. I think the Beast Empire will be European Civilization uniting East and West, including Russia and the US, and all of Europe. However, until that happens Russia and the US are like the thumbs on left and right hands, and they seek the sphere that enables them to be dominant in the roles they play.

Right now, Russia is decompressing from the fall of the Soviet Union, and trying to establish itself as a major player, having isolated itself during the Cold War. I expect that instead of taking on the entire world, Russia will have to concede a lot in order to become the powerful player it already is.

Russia is still able to rely on partner China to be the rogue operator on the world stage. As long as it has China as an ally, what is to prevent it from being adventurous, particularly since China itself operates freely as a bully on the world stage?

At some point, I think Russia will opt for European relations, instead of its alliance with China. And that becomes more feasible as Europe loses its Christian identity and becomes more socialist. That's a sad state of affairs, and yet the reality, as I see it.

There is this great battle of Gog mentioned in the Bible. The one in Rev 20 appears to be the same player, but at a different time, after the Millennium, or at the end of it. This player is likely Russia, in my view.

So yes, there is this great battle coming to invade Israel. I'm just not sure if it will be with adventurous Russia that we now see, with China's support, or in an alliance with Europe in the Antichristian alliance?

[Fenris]

I think everything will become clear- after it happens.

[RandyPNW]

I think everything will become clear- after it happens.

Yes, everything is always clear *after* it happens.

Did you read today how Israel is waiting to commit one way or the other in this Ukraine/Russia problem? Lots of Jews with relatives in Ukraine. Israel very dependent on Russia's cooperation on their northern border!

What would you do? I hope you just wouldn't wait until after the dust settles to "know" what happened?

[ross3421]

Which direction will Russia go, particularly in light of the Gog prophecy?
It's a darn good question. I have a bit unusual perspective, though I got my ideas from others. I think the Beast Empire will be European Civilization uniting East and West, including Russia and the US, and all of Europe. However, until that happens Russia and the US are like the thumbs on left and right hands, and they seek the sphere that enables them to be dominant in the roles they play.

Right now, Russia is decompressing from the fall of the Soviet Union, and trying to establish itself as a major player, having isolated itself during the Cold War. I expect that instead of taking on the entire world, Russia will have to concede a lot in order to become the powerful player it already is.

Russia is still able to rely on partner China to be the rogue operator on the world stage. As long as it has China as an ally, what is to prevent it from being adventurous, particularly since China itself operates freely as a bully on the world stage?

At some point, I think Russia will opt for European relations, instead of its alliance with China. And that becomes more feasible as Europe loses its Christian identity and becomes more socialist. That's a sad state of affairs, and yet the reality, as I see it.

There is this great battle of Gog mentioned in the Bible. The one in Rev 20 appears to be the same player, but at a different time, after the Millennium, or at the end of it. This player is likely Russia, in my view.

So yes, there is this great battle coming to invade Israel. I'm just not sure if it will be with adventurous Russia that we now see, with China's support, or in an alliance with Europe in the Antichristian alliance?

russia, china, usa, will be involved in www3. matt 24,6.7

gog is a demonic kingdom which god will destroy.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

[Fenris]

What would you do?

Why do I have to "do" anything? God has this.

Ez 39, same chapter as the Magog prophecy:

 From that day forward the people of Israel will know that I am the Lord their God. And the nations will know that the people of Israel went into exile for their sin, because they were unfaithful to me. So I hid my face from them and handed them over to their enemies, and they all fell by the sword. I dealt with them according to their uncleanness and their offenses, and I hid my face from them.

 “Therefore this is what the Sovereign Lord says: I will now restore the fortunes of Jacob and will have compassion on all the people of Israel, and I will be zealous for my holy name.  They will forget their shame and all the unfaithfulness they showed toward me when they lived in safety in their land with no one to make them afraid.  When I have brought them back from the nations and have gathered them from the countries of their enemies, I will be proved holy through them in the sight of many nations.  Then they will know that I am the Lord their God, for though I sent them into exile among the nations, I will gather them to their own land, not leaving any behind.  I will no longer hide my face from them, for I will pour out my Spirit on the people of Israel, declares the Sovereign Lord.”

[RandyPNW]

russia, china, usa, will be involved in www3. matt 24,6.7

gog is a demonic kingdom which god will destroy.

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Yea, good point. Satan's final activity appears to take place in conjunction with Gog. If that is Russia, then the Russian political leadership has a "special place in Hell?"

I'm sure I have relatives in the Ukraine right now. My grandfather escaped from there.

Atheistic Communism forced itself upon Russia, and upon many satellite countries. And it has led to the deaths of millions upon millions of people, not just in the former Soviet Union, but also in other countries, like China, where it has spread.

[RandyPNW]

What would you do?

Why do I have to "do" anything? God has this.

Ez 39, same chapter as the Magog prophecy...

Everything written in the Bible is supposed to prompt thought and action from us, in one way or another. If you feel that it means nothing, then that's okay. Sometimes we don't get anything out of reading the Scriptures.

[Fenris]

Everything written in the Bible is supposed to prompt thought and action from us, in one way or another.

I think we can both agree that our mission in this world is to carry out God's will and repent when we fall short. Not to prep for end times (stockpile supplies and ammo? Prepare to be raptured?!)

I'm not going to worry about the end times because God already has this. The message that I take away from the end time prophecies is that I'm not going to worry. A lot of crazy, earth shaking events are going to happen and in the end everything is going to turn out ok. I know this because God said so.

EZ 39 "When I have brought them back from the nations and have gathered them from the countries of their enemies, I will be proved holy through them in the sight of many nations.  Then they will know that I am the Lord their God, for though I sent them into exile among the nations, I will gather them to their own land, not leaving any behind.  I will no longer hide my face from them, for I will pour out my Spirit on the people of Israel, declares the Sovereign Lord.”

Ez 37 ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I will take the Israelites out of the nations where they have gone. I will gather them from all around and bring them back into their own land...They will live in the land I gave to my servant Jacob, the land where your ancestors lived. They and their children and their children’s children will live there forever


Is 49 Zion said, “The Lord has forsaken me, the Lord has forgotten me.” Can a mother forget the baby at her breast  and have no compassion on the child she has borne? Though she may forget, I will not forget you! ...

This is what the Sovereign Lord says: "See, I will beckon to the nations, I will lift up my banner to the peoples;
they will bring your sons in their arms and carry your daughters on their hips. Kings will be your foster fathers,    and their queens your nursing mothers.

And on and on and on...

[RandyPNW]

I think we can both agree that our mission in this world is to carry out God's will and repent when we fall short. Not to prep for end times (stockpile supplies and ammo? Prepare to be raptured?!)

Well yes--certainly not like lunatics and drama queens, who think every political leader is the Beast and who are busy prepping for the next revolution. But in another sense, if there is an actual nuclear threat, I wouldn't fault anyone for building a bomb shelter. Back in the 70s I contemplated doing that, because the Cold War presented a real and constant threat.

We have a minimal amount of preservable foods because it makes sense when the economy here in the US is so shaky. I do wish I had a large storage building where I could buy things at their lowest costs, and make out well when prices skyrocket.

As for the "Rapture," I'm not a follower of those who think they're going to be ejected from this planet at any moment. Nothing in the New Testament indicates that. The "Rapture," according to Paul, is merely a promised transformation of our bodies into something that becomes immortal. You can't prepare for that except by choosing to follow God the best you can. So we're in agreement on that much.

I'm not going to worry about the end times because God already has this. The message that I take away from the end time prophecies is that I'm not going to worry. A lot of crazy, earth shaking events are going to happen and in the end everything is going to turn out ok. I know this because God said so.

I agree. I do think it's worthwhile to take stock of what's happening in our country and in the world. That prompts us to make the right decisions, because we can judge the things our leaders are doing against the word of God. Even if nobody listens to  us, God takes note of our own personal decisions. And perhaps our meager voices can make some difference? I believe they can!

Thanks for your calm, reasoned words.

[Fenris]

Well yes--certainly not like lunatics and drama queens, who think every political leader is the Beast and who are busy prepping for the next revolution. But in another sense, if there is an actual nuclear threat, I wouldn't fault anyone for building a bomb shelter. Back in the 70s I contemplated doing that, because the Cold War presented a real and constant threat.

I understand this sentiment.

I do think it's worthwhile to take stock of what's happening in our country and in the world. That prompts us to make the right decisions, because we can judge the things our leaders are doing against the word of God. Even if nobody listens to  us, God takes note of our own personal decisions. And perhaps our meager voices can make some difference?

Yes, of course. All we can do is try to lead a Godly life. If we can influence others to do so as well then so much the better.

Thanks for your calm, reasoned words.

You're very welcome. God bless.

[Oseas]

So yes, there is this great battle coming to invade Israel. I'm just not sure if it will be with adventurous Russia that we now see, with China's support, or in an alliance with Europe in the Antichristian alliance?

No, there will not be any military invasion of Israel in the current decade-2020 to 2030. What will fulfill LITERALLY is Revelation 11:v. 1-2 and Revelation 13:v.2 and 5:


Revelation 11:v.1-2
1 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2 But the COURT which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; FOR IT IS GIVEN UNTO THE GENTILES : and the HOLY CITY -JERUSALEM- shall they tread UNDER FOOT forty and two months.


REVELATION 13:v.2 and 5-7

2 And the Beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion:(these three animals reveal the roots of the Beast)  and the Dragon (Revelation 13:v.11) gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.[/color]

5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make WAR with the saints,(THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH an invasion of Russia or any other country against Israel), and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. (In fact, will never have any kind of military invasion in Israel but a satanic religious invasion, and Satan will be enthroned as God in the holy city spiritually called Sodom and Egypt.- Revelation 11:v.8.

[Fenris]

No, there will not be any military invasion of Israel in the current decade-2020 to 2030.

I don't even know if Russia will invade the Ukraine tomorrow, but you know for a fact that Israel won't be invaded any time in this decade?

Does your crystal ball also provide lottery numbers?

[RandyPNW]

No, there will not be any military invasion of Israel in the current decade-2020 to 2030. What will fulfill LITERALLY is Revelation 11:v. 1-2 and Revelation 13:v.2 and 5:

Are you *prophesying* that there will be such and such, or are you saying that *based on your interpretation of Scriptures* there cannot be such and such? If you are a self-proclaimed prophet, then I suppose our dialogue is at an end, because you can proclaim anything you want on authority of your own self-proclamation. And I see nothing spiritual whatsoever in it.

[Quantrill]

Which direction will Russia go, particularly in light of the Gog prophecy?
It's a darn good question. I have a bit unusual perspective, though I got my ideas from others. I think the Beast Empire will be European Civilization uniting East and West, including Russia and the US, and all of Europe. However, until that happens Russia and the US are like the thumbs on left and right hands, and they seek the sphere that enables them to be dominant in the roles they play.

Right now, Russia is decompressing from the fall of the Soviet Union, and trying to establish itself as a major player, having isolated itself during the Cold War. I expect that instead of taking on the entire world, Russia will have to concede a lot in order to become the powerful player it already is.

Russia is still able to rely on partner China to be the rogue operator on the world stage. As long as it has China as an ally, what is to prevent it from being adventurous, particularly since China itself operates freely as a bully on the world stage?

At some point, I think Russia will opt for European relations, instead of its alliance with China. And that becomes more feasible as Europe loses its Christian identity and becomes more socialist. That's a sad state of affairs, and yet the reality, as I see it.

There is this great battle of Gog mentioned in the Bible. The one in Rev 20 appears to be the same player, but at a different time, after the Millennium, or at the end of it. This player is likely Russia, in my view.

So yes, there is this great battle coming to invade Israel. I'm just not sure if it will be with adventurous Russia that we now see, with China's support, or in an alliance with Europe in the Antichristian alliance?

It is certainly an interesting time that we live in.  For me, it is more telling concerning the U.S.  Slowly the U.S. has been moving away from it's Christian roots.  And this has many ramifications.  One of which is our support for Israel.  We have come to a place now where Israel does not know if she can trust us anymore for support. 

And rightfully so.  She can't.  And when you read of the attack  of Gog and Magog in Scripture against Israel, you will see that there is no country opposing them.  Which begs the questions, where is the U.S.?  Surely the U.S. would step in and support their old ally Israel?    But no...we  are not there.  So, what happened?   

Granted...Israel must be weaned off of the U.S. in order to get her to turn back to God.   Israel alone will cause her return back to God.    But what happened to the U.S.? 

Were we destroyed by Russia first in this war brewing between Ukraine and Russia?   Or, did we just simply become another third world country with no world leadership capabilities?   

Both are possible in the direction the U.S. is going.    In my opinion.

Lees

[RandyPNW]

Which direction will Russia go, particularly in light of the Gog prophecy?
It's a darn good question. I have a bit unusual perspective, though I got my ideas from others. I think the Beast Empire will be European Civilization uniting East and West, including Russia and the US, and all of Europe. However, until that happens Russia and the US are like the thumbs on left and right hands, and they seek the sphere that enables them to be dominant in the roles they play.

Right now, Russia is decompressing from the fall of the Soviet Union, and trying to establish itself as a major player, having isolated itself during the Cold War. I expect that instead of taking on the entire world, Russia will have to concede a lot in order to become the powerful player it already is.

Russia is still able to rely on partner China to be the rogue operator on the world stage. As long as it has China as an ally, what is to prevent it from being adventurous, particularly since China itself operates freely as a bully on the world stage?

At some point, I think Russia will opt for European relations, instead of its alliance with China. And that becomes more feasible as Europe loses its Christian identity and becomes more socialist. That's a sad state of affairs, and yet the reality, as I see it.

There is this great battle of Gog mentioned in the Bible. The one in Rev 20 appears to be the same player, but at a different time, after the Millennium, or at the end of it. This player is likely Russia, in my view.

So yes, there is this great battle coming to invade Israel. I'm just not sure if it will be with adventurous Russia that we now see, with China's support, or in an alliance with Europe in the Antichristian alliance?

It is certainly an interesting time that we live in.  For me, it is more telling concerning the U.S.  Slowly the U.S. has been moving away from it's Christian roots.  And this has many ramifications.  One of which is our support for Israel.  We have come to a place now where Israel does not know if she can trust us anymore for support. 

And rightfully so.  She can't.  And when you read of the attack  of Gog and Magog in Scripture against Israel, you will see that there is no country opposing them.  Which begs the questions, where is the U.S.?  Surely the U.S. would step in and support their old ally Israel?    But no...we  are not there.  So, what happened?   

Granted...Israel must be weaned off of the U.S. in order to get her to turn back to God.   Israel alone will cause her return back to God.    But what happened to the U.S.? 

Were we destroyed by Russia first in this war brewing between Ukraine and Russia?   Or, did we just simply become another third world country with no world leadership capabilities?   

Both are possible in the direction the U.S. is going.    In my opinion.

Lees

I'm really concerned. The US is so morally compromised now, and this from a country that has had two great awakenings and some of the greatest evangelists this world has ever known! Tremendous satellite broadcasts into all the world, and many missionary programs and compassionate efforts at helping the world.

So if Sodom and Gomorrah perished, how will the US escape? My only confidence is that there remains many good people still here in the US. I'm hoping the pendulum will swing back towards God and morality.

The lack of info in the Bible about America is of little concern--it's an old book. When it mentions the 4th Beast, which I believe is European Civilization, that would include the far parts of the earth that European Civilization reaches into, including the US.

I don't think God is ever quick to destroy any nation. Even the Canaanite nations went unpunished to any great degree for hundreds of years before God told Israel to defeat and to destroy them. A long as the righteous are here, we can pray. If necessary, judgment will come as God sees fit. In reality, judgment is already partly here.