Gog's endtime construction?

[Athanasius]

It's not that we're shortsighted by nature, it's that as created creatures we don't have the capacity to understand the things of God.

1Corinthians 2:v.9-11

11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

10 But God hath revealed them unto us by His Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of GOD.    (GOD is Spirit, but two thousand years ago He was made flesh, and chose a NAME for He Himself-JESUS. And JESUS said: He that believeth on me, as the Scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on Him should receive: for the Holy Spirit was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.-John 7:v.38-39.  The Word is GOD. The Bible by entire reveals, and shows clearly how GOD is).

9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which GOD hath prepared for them that love him.

JESUS said: Unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.  (In consequence, he will wither completely like the fig tree.

Why are you inserting commentary like you're writing in the 18th century? Also, what does this have to do with what I wrote?

[Fenris]

It's not that we're shortsighted by nature, it's that as created creatures we don't have the capacity to understand the things of God. This has nothing to do with the tendency to judge things by their appearance, or neglect 'the eyes of faith'. It's a hard limit on our existence. Go ahead and imagine a tesseract in your mind. You can't. You could maybe describe it with math, but not being a fourth or even fifth-dimensional creature you simply lack the perspective and frame of reference to do such a thing. These hard limits aren't bad; they're just facts of our existence. Why do you think we humans have these ideas of ascending to higher planes of existence, to better understandings of reality?

I happen to love this example you give, and can even provide another one. In math, the constant Pi is the ratio of a circle's circumference to its radius. It's also a number that has an infinite amount of non repeating, non patterned numbers after the decimal point, starting with 3.141592.... So we might conclude that Pi is about circles. And we wouldn't be wrong. The problem is that Pi shows up in lots of places in mathematics that have nothing whatsoever to do with circles. Why should that be? Nobody knows. Perhaps if our IQ was 1,000, or 10,000, or 100,000 we would see some obvious connection- but it isn't, so we don't. So to for God's motives. If we were only as smart as God, we could understand Him. But we're not. That's how He created us, and that's his lesson to Job.

[Fenris]

Why are you inserting commentary like you're writing in the 18th century?

Maybe he's trying to raise the debate to a higher level by using archaic speech? "I'm chucked all of a heap" about this. "You fly beyond fate's control." "I'le rather doubt an Oracle than question what you deliver." "The grace of eloquence is seated on your lips." "They are the jammiest bits of jam." "Your virtues give a commanding power to every mortal." "They are truepenny and straight-fingered." "Your goodness hath forced me to a silence."

Well, I'm exhausted. That's enough work for today.

[Athanasius]

Why are you inserting commentary like you're writing in the 18th century?

Maybe he's trying to raise the debate to a higher level by using archaic speech? "I'm chucked all of a heap" about this. "You fly beyond fate's control." "I'le rather doubt an Oracle than question what you deliver." "The grace of eloquence is seated on your lips." "They are the jammiest bits of jam." "Your virtues give a commanding power to every mortal." "They are truepenny and straight-fingered." "Your goodness hath forced me to a silence."

Well, I'm exhausted. That's enough work for today.

Thusly, spake Zarathustra,

Though in a state of quiescence mine fingertips flicked to life oh joyous do they write these words to thee and thine for it is the wish of the celestials that thee shouldest also dwell upon the majestic beauties of wisdom herself. She, the queen of the heavens whose brilliance shineth brighter than even the most sparkling of the sinister smiles of those who wish you harm. Feareth not and hearken to me for I in my gnosis shall reveal to you the secrets thereupon the foundations of the earth were wrought. Heed not the oracles who speak of fate as if they comprehend even the most basic goings on of this or that emmet. Steel thyself, for it is wisdom herself that utters against you.

Did I do that right?

[RandyPNW]

Think about it, friend. God answered the way He did because He chose to.

God answered that way because he was reaching Job the same lesson meant for us to learn: God does things for reasons that make sense to Him even if they don't make sense to us. Even if they can't make sense to us, because we are frail mortals of limited intelligence and can't understand God's unlimited intelligence.

So God is just like the charlatan down the street who says, "Just trust me?" I don't think so! My Bible reads:

Mal 3.10 Test me in this,” says the Lord Almighty.
Isa 1.18 “Come now, let us settle the matter,” says the Lord.

The God I know does reserve knowledge to Himself, and the vast amount of it is beyond us. All of it is dependent on His choice.

But God explains things. As such He made us in His own image, and expects us to be rational, as well as comprehend revelation that comes from Him.

The things we understand are from God must have the flavor of divinity. We have to know His character so that we can judge what is of Him, and what logically belongs to His character. Only then can we trust the direction we're going in.

We have to know and understand what righteousness is. Otherwise, our place within our circumstances could be misplaced. We may be suffering due to our own naivete.

Maybe we're just looking at two different sides of a coin? We believe the same Jewish Scriptures! But I can't see the book of Job as being anything less than rational.

Every rational argument under the sun is thrown at Job. And yet he is directed by something transcendent and still rational.

Otherwise, he would have no sense that he was still faithful to God. He would have nothing to base his trust in, no sense that his righteousness could determine his secure position with God.

And his faithfulness was, I think, all-important in this story.It is an argument for faithfulness in the midst of confusing circumstances. It is very Kierkegaardian!

[RandyPNW]

It's not that we're shortsighted by nature, it's that as created creatures we don't have the capacity to understand the things of God. This has nothing to do with the tendency to judge things by their appearance, or neglect 'the eyes of faith'. It's a hard limit on our existence. Go ahead and imagine a tesseract in your mind. You can't. You could maybe describe it with math, but not being a fourth or even fifth-dimensional creature you simply lack the perspective and frame of reference to do such a thing. These hard limits aren't bad; they're just facts of our existence. Why do you think we humans have these ideas of ascending to higher planes of existence, to better understandings of reality?

I happen to love this example you give, and can even provide another one. In math, the constant Pi is the ratio of a circle's circumference to its radius. It's also a number that has an infinite amount of non repeating, non patterned numbers after the decimal point, starting with 3.141592.... So we might conclude that Pi is about circles. And we wouldn't be wrong. The problem is that Pi shows up in lots of places in mathematics that have nothing whatsoever to do with circles. Why should that be? Nobody knows. Perhaps if our IQ was 1,000, or 10,000, or 100,000 we would see some obvious connection- but it isn't, so we don't. So to for God's motives. If we were only as smart as God, we could understand Him. But we're not. That's how He created us, and that's his lesson to Job.

I found that interesting. A curve by its very nature would avoid the predictability of an infinite line. As such, it is finite and constantly changing.

But I don't think it has a thing to do with Job. No, we can't challenge God's authority, and cannot grasp the basis of His decisions. But nothing God does is unreasonable or something we are unable to see as just.

[Fenris]

Thusly, spake Zarathustra,

Though in a state of quiescence mine fingertips flicked to life oh joyous do they write these words to thee and thine for it is the wish of the celestials that thee shouldest also dwell upon the majestic beauties of wisdom herself. She, the queen of the heavens whose brilliance shineth brighter than even the most sparkling of the sinister smiles of those who wish you harm. Feareth not and hearken to me for I in my gnosis shall reveal to you the secrets thereupon the foundations of the earth were wrought. Heed not the oracles who speak of fate as if they comprehend even the most basic goings on of this or that emmet. Steel thyself, for it is wisdom herself that utters against you.

Did I do that right?

Poetry to the ear and the mind. Bless you.

[Fenris]

So God is just like the charlatan down the street who says, "Just trust me?"

It's not about trust. God is just far more intelligent than we are. It's the way it is. I personally find it the height of arrogance to even assume that we can understand God.

I don't think so! My Bible reads:

Mal 3.10 Test me in this,” says the Lord Almighty.
Isa 1.18 “Come now, let us settle the matter,” says the Lord.

And mine reads (Is 55)

“For my thoughts are not your thoughts,
    neither are your ways my ways,”
declares the Lord.
 “As the heavens are higher than the earth,
    so are my ways higher than your ways
    and my thoughts than your thoughts."

The God I know does reserve knowledge to Himself

It's not about "reserve". We're simply not smart enough to understand how God thinks. We can't even understand the physical laws that He created, yet you think we can understand His motives? I mean, really. Get ahold of yourself.

But God explains things. As such He made us in His own image, and expects us to be rational, as well as comprehend revelation that comes from Him.

And yet, when God says that we can't understand Him in Job, you tell Him otherwise.

We have to know and understand what righteousness is.

God tells us what is righteous. Follow His laws. That's it. Why look for more than what He already told us?

Maybe we're just looking at two different sides of a coin? We believe the same Jewish Scriptures! But I can't see the book of Job as being anything less than rational.

It is rational. God says "You can't understand my because I'm God and you're not."

Otherwise, he would have no sense that he was still faithful to God. He would have nothing to base his trust in, no sense that his righteousness could determine his secure position with God.

Having faith means believing God does things for the best, even if we can't understand why.

. It is very Kierkegaardian!

I don't think you understand what this means.

[Fenris]

I found that interesting. A curve by its very nature would avoid the predictability of an infinite line. As such, it is finite and constantly changing.

You don't even understand the mathematics I'm saying. How can you understand God?

But nothing God does is unreasonable or something we are unable to see as just.

Why does Job's family die? Why do little kids get cancer? Why did the six million have to die? I don't know the answers to these questions, but God does. Knowing that should be sufficient.

[Oseas]

You should work with the Word of GOD - the Word is GOD -  instead to work with speculations, imaginations, presumptions, and conjectures, and even your own opinion.

Yeah, and I generally quote the bible too.

OK, but only the letter, the letter kills, in the way the Devil likes. He is a killer of souls.

Yeah so umm... Jews don't believe that the messiah is God manifest on earth.

Mere presumption of you.

Haha yes of course. But you misunderstand my point here. I'm not debating whether Jewish beliefs are correct or not. That's for another discussion. What I'm saying is that Jews are not going to worship a "false messiah" who claims to be God because Jews don't believe the messiah is God on earth. Understand?

Haha the JEWS always worshipped false gods/false prophets and their horrend idols, inclusive golden calf, a god whom his fathers knew not, as Daniel the prophet said, according their evil spirit. By the way, JESUS CAST out legions of spirits from the Jews who were possessed by evil spirits. The idolater Jews never linked to the true GOD, so when He came in flesh they received Him not, this is the why they believed not in JESUS, the true Messiah, and GOD. But they will believe and worship in their messiah that will manifest in this current decade, actually AN IMPOSTOR,  a false messiah, because NOW is their own FATHER who was made flesh decades ago, in fact a former Cherub, the son of perdition, yeah, their father will manifest NOW in the end of the times as God, and they will worship him and will acclaim him in a thunderous way, resoundingly, before the whole world, his world.

What prevails is the Word of GOD. GOD is Truth. God shall send them STRONG DELUSION, that they should believe a lie, that is, they believe in the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist messiah, the satanic Man Beast like a lamb with two horns and he speaks as Dragon.  It seems you prefer to believe in false interpretation instead a true interpretation of the Word of GOD, unfortunately. The Word is GOD, understand? 

We differ because I don't believe the NT is divine writ, and you do. Makes a big difference in what one believes you see.

Of course we differ; JESUS left very clear to the Jews:  Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world (He meant:world of Devil - their father-John 8:44); I am not of this world, said JESUS. John 8:v.23
What about the NT preached by the prophets was not received by the Jews because they reject the GOD of the fathers.

The messiah will be an exemplary human being, someone on the order of Moses.

Now a mere imagination of you. The devilish, esoteric, kabbalistic, spiritist false messiah is a ruthless and wicked man, he will give his Power, and his Throne and great Authority to the FIRST Beast, the MONSTROUS Gentile Beast of sea with 7 heads and 10 horns, and he will cause the earth -Israel - and all them which dwell therein to worship the FIRST Beast, the Gentile Beast of sea, whose deadly wound will be healed - healed by the false messiah - exactly when he gives his Power, and his Throne and great Authority to the Gentile Beast, the Beast of sea.

Umm yeah. I wasn't aware that the idea of a "false messiah" was accepted Christian doctrine. If I'm not mistaken, most Christians don't believe in this idea. Anyone, anyone, Bueller, anyone?

John 5:v.43-47

43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name (AN IMPOSTOR, A FALSE MESSIAH, WE CAN SAY AN ESOTERIC, AND KABBALISTIC, AND SPIRITIST MESSIAH, THE FUTURE GUIDE AND RULER OF ISRAEL IN THE LAST WEEK, THE WEEK 70th DANIEL 9:v.27 AS WAS PROPHESIED) him ye will receive.
44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

Oh, I dunno. Kings David and Solomon come to mind.

OK, you were cunning in your answer, but the reality is that the 10 tribes of Israel rebelled against the house of David, and established a terrific and evil kingdom in Samaria, Israel is a Samaritan people,  their kigs were evil, wicked, demoniac men, FULL OF SATANIC IDOLATRIES, and they killed all MEN OF GOD, the true prophets of the LORD, and left alive THE SATANIC FALSE PROPHETS, and they have nothing to do with the Kingdom of Judah.
Read the Bible.

One second.  You said, and I quote, "What Israel's king did what was good before GOD?" And I just named two, David and Solomon. Hezekiah comes to mind also. What's this ranting and raving about? It has nothing to do with the topic.

The Ancient of days is at door, and Judgment is given to the saints of the most High, the Judgment shall sit, and they shall take away the dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end. And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

So God prevents Israel from returning to God, and then punishes Israel for not returning to God. Some nice theology you got there.

The problem is that your thinking is from a human perspective, not from God's perspective. This behaviour is very danger. Matthew 16:v.21-22

So from God's perspective, it's ok to prevent someone from returning to God and then punishing them for that. That seems, I dunno, needlessly sadistic? Look it up. Also going to repost these verses, since you seem to have missed them. Or maybe they're not in your bible.
You said

Israel will not return to GOD.

And I replied-
Jeremiah 31: Hear, O nations, the word of the LORD, and proclaim it in distant coastlands: “The One who scattered Israel will gather them and keep them as a shepherd keeps his flock."You also said

Israel never was linked to GOD.

and I replied

Jeremiah 2: Now the word of the LORD came to me, saying, “Go and proclaim in the hearing of Jerusalem that this is what the LORD says: ‘I remember the devotion of your youth, your love as a bride, how you followed Me in the wilderness, in a land not sown. Israel was holy to the LORD, the firstfruits of His harvest. All who devoured her found themselves guilty; disaster came upon them,’ ” declares the LORD.
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Of course, GOD was speaking of the true ISRAEL, the 144K, the remnant exclusively, 12K of each tribe, except the tribe of Dan, from whom Jacob prophesied saying Dan would be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, by the way the serpent as a stumblingblock tempted JESUS with his traps.

Jeremiah prophesied also their shameful captiviy by 70 years in Babylon.  The history of Israel, even after the return from the capitivity and rebuild of the temple is very very sad due their extreme corruption and desecration,
so GOD stoped to send prophets among them until the Messiah - JESUS - who was murderered by the Jews, for they preferred Barabbas, an evil and devilish man, instead JESUS. They crucified JESUS and after 40 years, the people of Israel was severely punished, hundreds of thousands were killed, the temple and the holy city were destroyed, Israel was scattered around the world AND THEY REMAINED PUNISHED SEVERELY FOR 1.878 years in fulfillment deuteronomy 28v.15 to 68, 53 verses of extreme punishments and curses. And they returned in 1.948, returned in 1948 for the false messiah to be born, and to do what is commanded in the Scriptures, I mean, to establish the Abomination of Desolation in the middle of the week as Daniel prophesied, then the end will come. 

[Oseas]

It's not that we're shortsighted by nature, it's that as created creatures we don't have the capacity to understand the things of God.

1Corinthians 2:v.9-11

11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

10 But God hath revealed them unto us by His Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of GOD.    (GOD is Spirit, but two thousand years ago He was made flesh, and chose a NAME for He Himself-JESUS. And JESUS said: He that believeth on me, as the Scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on Him should receive: for the Holy Spirit was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.-John 7:v.38-39.  The Word is GOD. The Bible by entire reveals, and shows clearly how GOD is).

9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which GOD hath prepared for them that love him.

JESUS said: Unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.  (In consequence, he will wither completely like the fig tree.

Why are you inserting commentary like you're writing in the 18th century? Also, what does this have to do with what I wrote?

Haha, it is not of the 18th century, but 1.611.

[Fenris]

Haha the JEWS always worshipped false gods/false prophets and their horrend idols,

Really? ALWAYS? Even during the time of king David and Solomon and Hezekiah? Have you actually read the bible, or are you just spewing your own preconceived ideas  about Jews without any biblical support whatsoever?

inclusive golden calf, a god whom his fathers knew not, as Daniel the prophet said, according their evil spirit. By the way, JESUS out legions of spirits from the Jews who were possessed by evil spirits. The idolater Jews never linked to the true GOD, so when He came in flesh they received Him not, this is the why they believed not in JESUS, the true Messiah, and GOD. But they will believe and worship in their messiah that will manifest in this current decade, actually AN IMPOSTOR,  a false messiah, because NOW is their own FATHER who was made flesh decades ago, in fact a former Cherub, the son of perdition, yeah, their father will manifest NOW in the end of the times as God, and they will worship him and will acclaim him in a thunderous way, resoundingly, before the whole world, his world.

Why are you using 18th century speech?

Of course we differ; JESUS left very clear to the Jews:  Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world (He meant:world of Devil - their father-John 8:44); I am not of this world, said JESUS. John 8:v.23
What about the NT preached by the prophets was not received by the Jews because they reject the GOD of the fathers.

And yet they worshipped God and still do to this day. I actually pray to God thrice a day.

John 5:v.43-47

43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name (AN IMPOSTOR, A FALSE MESSIAH, WE CAN SAY AN ESOTERIC, AND KABBALISTIC, AND SPIRITIST MESSIAH, THE FUTURE GUIDE AND RULER OF ISRAEL IN THE LAST WEEK, THE WEEK 70th DANIEL 9:v.27 AS WAS PROPHESIED) him ye will receive.

Umm did you just add words to the bible? All those words in the parenthesis are not in the bible.

Revelation 22:18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.

I'd say you are in big trouble young man.

The Ancient of days is at door, and Judgment is given to the saints of the most High, the Judgment shall sit, and they shall take away the dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end. And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

Has nothing to do with what I just said, but whatever.

Of course, GOD was speaking of the true ISRAEL

Ohh right, of course. That's what God was talking about in Jeremiah 2. How silly of me not to see it.

Now the word of the LORD came to me, saying, “Go and proclaim in the hearing of Jerusalem that this is what the LORD says: ‘I remember the devotion of your youth, your love as a bride, how you followed Me in the wilderness, in a land not sown. Israel was holy to the LORD, the firstfruits of His harvest. All who devoured her found themselves guilty; disaster came upon them..."

I mean, it's talking about an event that took place hundreds of years earlier, and

Jeremiah 31: Hear, O nations, the word of the LORD, and proclaim it in distant coastlands: “The One who scattered Israel will gather them and keep them as a shepherd keeps his flock.

is talking about a distant future event, but sure, it's the same 144,000.  They're immortal or something. "There can be only one!" He also speaks with 18th century idioms. Sometimes.

Jeremiah prophesied also their shameful captiviy by 70 years in Babylon.  The history of Israel, even after the return from the capitivity and rebuild of the temple is very very sad due their extreme corruption and desecration,
so GOD stoped to send prophets among them until the Messiah - JESUS - who was murderered by the Jews, for they preferred Barabbas, an evil and devilish man, instead JESUS. They crucified JESUS

Umm so wasn't that the Romans? I mean, it's right in your bible and everything.

and after 40 years, the people of Israel was severely punished, hundreds of thousands were killed, the temple and the holy city were destroyed, Israel was scattered around the world AND THEY REMAINED PUNISHED SEVERELY FOR 1.878 years in fulfillment deuteronomy 28v.15 to 68, 53 verses of extreme punishments and curses.

Weirdly enough, mostly by so called Christians.

And they returned in 1.948, returned in 1948 for the false messiah to be born, and to do what is commanded in the Scriptures, I mean, to establish the Abomination of Desolation in the middle of the week as Daniel prophesied, then the end will come.

You still haven't explained how Jews are going to worship a person who claims to be God when Jews don't believe a person can be God. Still awaiting your explanation.

[Athanasius]

It's not that we're shortsighted by nature, it's that as created creatures we don't have the capacity to understand the things of God.

1Corinthians 2:v.9-11

11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

10 But God hath revealed them unto us by His Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of GOD.    (GOD is Spirit, but two thousand years ago He was made flesh, and chose a NAME for He Himself-JESUS. And JESUS said: He that believeth on me, as the Scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on Him should receive: for the Holy Spirit was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.-John 7:v.38-39.  The Word is GOD. The Bible by entire reveals, and shows clearly how GOD is).

9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which GOD hath prepared for them that love him.

JESUS said: Unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.  (In consequence, he will wither completely like the fig tree.

Why are you inserting commentary like you're writing in the 18th century? Also, what does this have to do with what I wrote?

Haha, it is not of the 18th century, but 1.611.

I know. And even then, the 1611 was using somewhat archaic English. Replace all those s' with f's.

[Athanasius]

I found that interesting. A curve by its very nature would avoid the predictability of an infinite line. As such, it is finite and constantly changing.

No encryption algorithms for you young man!

[Athanasius]

So God is just like the charlatan down the street who says, "Just trust me?" I don't think so! My Bible reads:

Mal 3.10 Test me in this,” says the Lord Almighty.
Isa 1.18 “Come now, let us settle the matter,” says the Lord.

That's not how God operates beginning in Job 38, though. Starting in 38:4 He evidences His character to Job by appealing to His role as creator. He makes an appeal to His intricate involvement in creation, and to the care that He provides it (who provides food for the lion, lioness, and raven?). He cares for the mountain goats, the doe, the wild donkey, the ox, the ostrich, the horse, the hawk. He appeals to his glory and power -- just look at Behemoth, Ozymadias Job! Or Leviathan. Look around yourself, Job, does this creation look like the work of an unjust God? (Stephen Fry would say yes, but when it comes his time to argue with God I don't think He'll hold up too well.)

To risk the anachronistic:

Matthew 6:26
Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they?

God isn't just saying "trust me". He's saying, "look around you (you're more valuable than they are), trust me". God is just and yet Job suffered. God is just and yet we suffer. Job's friend's tried to justify his suffering as punishment for sin; in this way, they suggest that God's justice in this scenario is predicated on Job's sin, and if Job didn't sin, then God is unjust. This is partly way they can't accept Job's argument. This is the issue with everyone who views suffering as punishment.

And his faithfulness was, I think, all-important in this story.It is an argument for faithfulness in the midst of confusing circumstances. It is very Kierkegaardian!

What part of Job was Kierkegaardian?