Meat eating and the spiritual

[Slug1]

As i wrote i know my contact very well. Cant prove that to you so you have to think deep about what is best for you.

Scripture, utilize Scripture in support of your statements. If scripture cannot support what you are told, and as scripture continues to refute what you hear, you're not hearing from God.

"The bad about eating meat is the lasting effect of hurting and killing animals. These martyred animals return in the form of creatures who turn their forces against the bodies of the descendents of those who once killed them." Rudolf Steiner

This is not scripture.


Here is a quote that is not a verse but is specific to this topic:

"The Lord told me,' is no substitute for 'the Bible says." - Voddie Baucham

HJ73, anything a spirit says that is NOT of scripture, not supported by scripture, is refuted by scripture... the spirit speaking is NOT of God. There are three (3) spirits at work in the world, 1) The Holy Spirit, 2) demonic spirits, 3) our human spirit. ALL spirits must be tested and based on scriptural evidence, what's speaking to you, is NOT the Holy Spirit.

[HJ73]

Hmm.. I still do not understand why it seems so difficult to understand that killing other beings is riskier than not to.

[Slug1]

Hmm.. I still do not understand why it seems so difficult to understand that killing other beings is riskier than not to.

There is no difficulty. The scriptures presented throughout this thread refute the stance that eating meat is harmful in any physical or spiritual way.

If there is a risk to mankind's spiritual nature in relation with God by killing and eating animals, then please... present the Scriptures for this discussion.

[HJ73]

Hmm.. I still do not understand why it seems so difficult to understand that killing other beings is riskier than not to.

There is no difficulty. The scriptures presented throughout this thread refute the stance that eating meat is harmful in any physical or spiritual way.

If there is a risk to mankind's spiritual nature in relation with God by killing and eating animals, then please... present the Scriptures for this discussion.

Then you must be 100% certain that evil forces have not been able to change words in the Bible to hurt humans. How can you?
You can see evil everywhere else so...

[agnostic]

I cant see anything that says that God or Lord said the aroma was pleasant. The text just states that the aroma was pleasant from what i can see.

"Pleasant" is a subjective term. One person finds a grilled salmon "pleasant," another finds it repulsive. For a scent to be "pleasant," it must be "pleasant" to the one who smells it. Who smelled the cooked meat so that it should be called a "pleasant aroma"? Yahweh.

So you've invented ambiguity in the text where there isn't any. Let's skip forward.

Leviticus 1 The LORD summoned Moses and spoke to him from the tent of meeting, saying ... The bull shall be slaughtered before the LORD; and Aaron’s sons the priests shall offer the blood, dashing the blood against all sides of the altar that is at the entrance of the tent of meeting. The burnt-offering shall be flayed and cut up into its parts. The sons of the priest Aaron shall put fire on the altar and arrange wood on the fire. Aaron’s sons the priests shall arrange the parts, with the head and the suet, on the wood that is on the fire on the altar; but its entrails and its legs shall be washed with water. Then the priest shall turn the whole into smoke on the altar as a burnt-offering, an offering by fire of pleasing aroma to the LORD.

God ordered the death of the animal. God ordered the animal to be cut. God ordered the animal to be burned. God states that the cooked meat is a "pleasing aroma" to him.

Are we going pretend this text doesn't say what it says, too? Do we need more examples, because there are lots.

Guess we're just gonna ignore this comment entirely.

[Slug1]

Then you must be 100% certain that evil forces have not been able to change words in the Bible to hurt humans. How can you?

Very easy to know that the Bible is not hurting humans:

2 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

You can see evil everywhere else so...

And apparently hear deceiving spirits that lead people to reject all scripture refuting what tests the words that the evil is speaking, so some remain deceived.

So far, there is no scripture that supports what you claim the voice told you.

[HJ73]

Then you must be 100% certain that evil forces have not been able to change words in the Bible to hurt humans. How can you?

Very easy to know that the Bible is not hurting humans:

2 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

You can see evil everywhere else so...

And apparently hear deceiving spirits that lead people to reject all scripture refuting what tests the words that the evil is speaking, so some remain deceived.

So far, there is no scripture that supports what you claim the voice told you.

Circular reasoning.

[Athanasius]

Hmm.. I still do not understand why it seems so difficult to understand that killing other beings is riskier than not to.

There is no difficulty. The scriptures presented throughout this thread refute the stance that eating meat is harmful in any physical or spiritual way.

If there is a risk to mankind's spiritual nature in relation with God by killing and eating animals, then please... present the Scriptures for this discussion.

Then you must be 100% certain that evil forces have not been able to change words in the Bible to hurt humans. How can you?
You can see evil everywhere else so...

What evidence do you have for this claim?
Have you deeply studied historical or systematic theology, or textual criticism, like some of us have?
Are you including your own claims in the scepticism displayed here? Are you 100% certain that your contact isn't an evil force? If so, how did you come to be 100% certain, when that's an epistemic impossibility and an asinine standard?
Where is the Scripture for your argument?
Did you have Scripture to back up your argument?
What about Scripture?

Then you must be 100% certain that evil forces have not been able to change words in the Bible to hurt humans. How can you?

Very easy to know that the Bible is not hurting humans:

2 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

You can see evil everywhere else so...

And apparently hear deceiving spirits that lead people to reject all scripture refuting what tests the words that the evil is speaking, so some remain deceived.

So far, there is no scripture that supports what you claim the voice told you.

Circular reasoning.

It may be circular but that doesn't make it invalid de facto. What reason should Slug1 have for doubting the truthfulness of 2 Timothy 3:16? If all you have in reply is severe scepticism ("but how do you know? BUT HOW DO YOU KNOW?" but, how do you know?") then you will, I'm sure, understand why such a position would be ignored out of hand.

Hmm.. I still do not understand why it seems so difficult to understand that killing other beings is riskier than not to.

Stick to one claim and provide Scriptural support for it if you're going to claim that the claim has spiritual or soteriological import.

[HJ73]

Hmm.. I still do not understand why it seems so difficult to understand that killing other beings is riskier than not to.

There is no difficulty. The scriptures presented throughout this thread refute the stance that eating meat is harmful in any physical or spiritual way.

If there is a risk to mankind's spiritual nature in relation with God by killing and eating animals, then please... present the Scriptures for this discussion.

Then you must be 100% certain that evil forces have not been able to change words in the Bible to hurt humans. How can you?
You can see evil everywhere else so...

What evidence do you have for this claim?
Have you deeply studied historical or systematic theology, or textual criticism, like some of us have?
Are you including your own claims in the scepticism displayed here? Are you 100% certain that your contact isn't an evil force? If so, how did you come to be 100% certain, when that's an epistemic impossibility and an asinine standard?
Where is the Scripture for your argument?
Did you have Scripture to back up your argument?
What about Scripture?

Then you must be 100% certain that evil forces have not been able to change words in the Bible to hurt humans. How can you?

Very easy to know that the Bible is not hurting humans:

2 Tim 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, 17 that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.

You can see evil everywhere else so...

And apparently hear deceiving spirits that lead people to reject all scripture refuting what tests the words that the evil is speaking, so some remain deceived.

So far, there is no scripture that supports what you claim the voice told you.

Circular reasoning.

It may be circular but that doesn't make it invalid de facto. What reason should Slug1 have for doubting the truthfulness of 2 Timothy 3:16? If all you have in reply is severe scepticism ("but how do you know? BUT HOW DO YOU KNOW?" but, how do you know?") then you will, I'm sure, understand why such a position would be ignored out of hand.

Hmm.. I still do not understand why it seems so difficult to understand that killing other beings is riskier than not to.

Stick to one claim and provide Scriptural support for it if you're going to claim that the claim has spiritual or soteriological import.

Sure it does not have to be invalid. Again all i am saying is that it is riskier to kill than not. Or do you believe God will punish you if you refuse to kill other beings?

[Athanasius]

Sure it does not have to be invalid. Again all i am saying is that it is riskier to kill than not. Or do you believe God will punish you if you refuse to kill other beings?

Scripture?

[Slug1]

Circular reasoning.

How? 

I am trusting the Word of God and you are doing all you can to reject the Word of God both by rejecting the scriptures that refute your statements based on the voice speaking to you and also, by failing to verify (test that voice), through the Scriptures through your own study of God's Word.


No scripture has been presented in support of your statements.

[Slug1]

Sure it does not have to be invalid. Again all i am saying is that it is riskier to kill than not. Or do you believe God will punish you if you refuse to kill other beings?

Your statement and then the question truly make no sense. This is why, according to scripture, killing is NOT a sin before God. Murder is, killing is not.

[Athanasius]

Circular reasoning.

How? 

I am trusting the Word of God and you are doing all you can to reject the Word of God both by rejecting the scriptures that refute your statements based on the voice speaking to you and also, by failing to verify (test that voice), through the Scriptures through your own study of God's Word.


No scripture has been presented in support of your statements.

They mean:

"How do you know Scripture is true?"
Because Scripture tells us it's true
"But how do you know what Scripture says about itself is true?"
Because Scripture tells us it's true.

Circular, self-referential, tautological, whatever. But trying to set the 'how do you know?' to 100% is impossible anyway.

[The Parson]

Sure it does not have to be invalid. Again all i am saying is that it is riskier to kill than not. Or do you believe God will punish you if you refuse to kill other beings?

Are you attempting to undermine our reality by denying the facts of the scriptures??? Tell you what, lets lock this thread for the time being, and move on to another subject. Discuss other issues!

By the way, you wouldn't happen to be a member of PETA would you?