Understanding what Christ is doing in Heaven at this time.

[Fenris]

]Ok, we see that all are included in 1 Peter 4:17, the 'us' refers to the saints while the rest or 'that obey not the gospel of God' are the wicked.

I have a question.

So in your opinion, everyone in the world is either a saint or wicked? That's it? Because I think that most of the world are those people in the middle. Ordinary people, struggling to do the right thing every day.

[RabbiKnife]

]Ok, we see that all are included in 1 Peter 4:17, the 'us' refers to the saints while the rest or 'that obey not the gospel of God' are the wicked.

I have a question.

So in your opinion, everyone in the world is either a saint or wicked? That's it? Because I think that most of the world are those people in the middle. Ordinary people, struggling to do the right thing every day.

This is where Christianity— at least historically orthodoxy— departs from all other religions

Christianity teaches that all are sinful because of their own individual affronts to the holiness of God.

Christianity also teaches that only the penal substitutionary atonement of Jesus can remedy that.

Christianity also teaches than no man can earn or attain that atonement apart from grace

So no, Christianity really doesn’t separate the good from the evil from a personal quality or character context.  Or even from a good deeds bs evil deeds

Christianity looks only at what Jesus did and our response to it

So Christian theology can’t really answer Fenris’ question as it’s sort of apples and Studebakers

[Fenris]

So Christian theology can’t really answer Fenris’ question as it’s sort of apples and Studebakers

I'm not looking for Christian theology to answer that question. I'm asking Reddogs to answer it, because he's the one who framed all of humanity in such a way. I don't think that Christians (well maybe Catholics, but none of here are) see humanity as "saints" vs "the wicked". Probably more as "saved" vs "not saved", which is not really the same thing.

[IMINXTC]

Seventh Day Adventism holds to several doctrines which are highly problematc (as shown) and the denomination's origins are rooted, historically, in embarrassing error and false prophecy..


SDA apologetics are semi-philosophical, contradictory and quasi-biblical.

[Reddogs]

]Ok, we see that all are included in 1 Peter 4:17, the 'us' refers to the saints while the rest or 'that obey not the gospel of God' are the wicked.

I have a question.

So in your opinion, everyone in the world is either a saint or wicked? That's it? Because I think that most of the world are those people in the middle. Ordinary people, struggling to do the right thing every day.

But at the end, you will be by your choices, given the gift that Christ died to get for you, or you will perish. Its clearly laid out in John 3:16.

John 3:16
King James Version
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

We see it everywhere if you truly look, and we also find it linked to the Second Coming that all should repent so as not to perish right by 1 Peter 4:17.
2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

This is not 'doctrine' per se, its truth from a broad spectrum of those inspired to give us His Word.

[Fenris]

But at the end, you will be given the gift that Christ died to get for you, or you will perish. Its clearly laid out in John 3:16.

You didn't answer my question. You never answer my question. You always change the subject.

[Reddogs]

]Ok, we see that all are included in 1 Peter 4:17, the 'us' refers to the saints while the rest or 'that obey not the gospel of God' are the wicked.

I have a question.

So in your opinion, everyone in the world is either a saint or wicked? That's it? Because I think that most of the world are those people in the middle. Ordinary people, struggling to do the right thing every day.

This is where Christianity— at least historically orthodoxy— departs from all other religions

Christianity teaches that all are sinful because of their own individual affronts to the holiness of God.

Christianity also teaches that only the penal substitutionary atonement of Jesus can remedy that.

Christianity also teaches than no man can earn or attain that atonement apart from grace

So no, Christianity really doesn’t separate the good from the evil from a personal quality or character context.  Or even from a good deeds bs evil deeds

Christianity looks only at what Jesus did and our response to it

So Christian theology can’t really answer Fenris’ question as it’s sort of apples and Studebakers

Well, who would you look for salvation, Buddha, Lao Tzu, Mohammed, Confucius, The Bab...? Gods Word as well as the Torah point to the only one who can save since the Creation and the fall of man....

Acts 4:12
King James Version
12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

[Reddogs]

But at the end, you will be given the gift that Christ died to get for you, or you will perish. Its clearly laid out in John 3:16.

You didn't answer my question. You never answer my question. You always change the subject.

Well I like for people to think and answer it themselves, lets take for example just so you get where I am going. Is Hitler a saint/sinner or for Latins I ask is Castro a saint/sinner, and what makes him one?

[IMINXTC]

But at the end, you will be given the gift that Christ died to get for you, or you will perish. Its clearly laid out in John 3:16.

You didn't answer my question. You never answer my question. You always change the subject.

Well I like for people to think and answer it themselves, lets take for example just so you get where I am going. Is Hitler a saint/sinner or for Latins I ask is Castro a saint/sinner, and what makes him one?

Absurd. And typical of the nonsensical, circular responses of this poster.

[Fenris]

Well, who would you look for salvation, Buddha, Lao Tzu, Mohammed, Confucius, The Bab...? Gods Word as well as the Torah

Actually, no. "Salvation" is actually a Christian concept. It doesn't exist in Buddhism, or even Judaism for that matter.

[Fenris]

lets take for example just so you get where I am going.

You're going in circles, the same as usual. And when you get bored of that, you'll change the subject entirely. Anything to not have to answer a question.

[Reddogs]

Well, who would you look for salvation, Buddha, Lao Tzu, Mohammed, Confucius, The Bab...? Gods Word as well as the Torah

Actually, no. "Salvation" is actually a Christian concept. It doesn't exist in Buddhism, or even Judaism for that matter.

So where does a Jew today hold they will go when they die/cease to live, if I may ask.

[Reddogs]

lets take for example just so you get where I am going.

You're going in circles, the same as usual. And when you get bored of that, you'll change the subject entirely. Anything to not have to answer a question.

Its the same thing, there are two sides to the equation, good or evil. One is the path of salvation through Christ, the other takes you down to destruction as you are separated from God for eternity.

[RabbiKnife]

Far from the text you started with

[Reddogs]

Far from the text you started with

As the old adage says, 'be careful what you wish for' and asking to 'show your work' gets into many places in scriptures.