Have people rightly understood the primary doctrine on Father, Son & Holy Ghost?

[BluePrints]

Have people rightly understood the primary doctrine on Father, Son & Holy Ghost?  Why is it important to every other doctrine, and what is the connection to them?

Words and phrases have been created, like "trinity", "una substantia", "perfectly one superabound", "essence", among others, and yet seem to have only created confusion everywhere, and a 'thousand' factions and definitions.  What is the truth?  How can a person know?  Well, turning to Jhn. 17:17, it says,

Joh 17:17  Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. 

An all new resource on this topic has been made available for discussion, questions, and prayerful consideration on the very words of God as found in scripture and while also, considering some additional historical materials as well - https://archive.org/details/godhead-the-eternal-heavenly-trio/mode/1up

Questions like,

What is the name of God?

Does 1 Jhn. 5:7 belong in scripture, and if so, what does it mean in context?

Who is Jesus?

What about the Holy Ghost / Spirit, is this a Personal Being or a non-Personal Being, something only rather than a someone?

Where is God?  Is God in the sinner?  Is God in the tree, and / or the rock?  Does the Bible teach pantheism, or panentheism, or are those teachings dangerous and counterproductive to the Gospel in salvation / redemption?

Are there three, two, or one Persons / Beings?  If more than one, how are they one?

As always, please feel free to comment, ask questions, participate in discussion, engage in prayerful bible study together!  Take the time to follow scriptural counsel and read the material before entering into conversation, Pro. 18:13,17, and come to listen to what is being presented, as in Job before speaking.  There is no need to rush into anything when discussing such weighty matters.  Better to ask clarifying questions, and listen to one another, and then go to the Bible together.

[RabbiKnife]

Better to simply start with the text of Scripture

So what is the purpose or agenda?

Who is Jesus?

[Fenris]

I think Donnell and Connell have something to say about this.

[RabbiKnife]

I think Donnell and Connell have something to say about this.

Oh, Patrick…

[Richard Aberdeen]

God is a spirit, he is not a ghost.


According to the Bible, God does not live in temples made with hands Acts 7:48, "heaven and the heaven of heavens cannot contain" God I Kings 8:27 and, in God we live and move and have our being" Acts 17:28.

[Athanasius]

Old English is such a tricky thing, isn't it?

[RabbiKnife]

Old English is such a tricky thing, isn't it?

Hey

It was good for Paul and Silas
It was good for Paul and Silas
It was good for Paul and Silas
It’s good enough for me…

[Athanasius]

Old English is such a tricky thing, isn't it?

Hey

It was good for Paul and Silas
It was good for Paul and Silas
It was good for Paul and Silas
It’s good enough for me…

All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy
No work and all play makes Jack a sharp boy

[Richard Aberdeen]

God is "us" in Genesis and is three persons in one being, unlike us humans, who are one person in one being. 

Jesus says to baptize in the name of the father, the son and the holy spirit, who are God; three persons in one being.

This is not a doctrine, it is the reality of what God is.  The word mistranslated as "doctrine" in modern Bibles simply means teaching; there is correct teaching and bad teaching.  There is no such thing as "doctrines" in the Bible.

[Fenris]

God is "us" in Genesis and is three persons in one being, unlike us humans, who are one person in one being. 

It doesn't say three. Maybe it's 100.

Or maybe it's the "royal we". That's a thing too, you know.

[NeutralZone]

God is "us" in Genesis and is three persons in one being, unlike us humans, who are one person in one being. 

Jesus says to baptize in the name of the father, the son and the holy spirit, who are God; three persons in one being.

This is not a doctrine, it is the reality of what God is.  The word mistranslated as "doctrine" in modern Bibles simply means teaching; there is correct teaching and bad teaching.  There is no such thing as "doctrines" in the Bible.

At Genesis 1:26, the Abrahamic God was speaking to another spirit being, which is why the word "us" was used.


English Standard Version -- Genesis 1:26
"Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

[Athanasius]

God is "us" in Genesis and is three persons in one being, unlike us humans, who are one person in one being. 

Jesus says to baptize in the name of the father, the son and the holy spirit, who are God; three persons in one being.

This is not a doctrine, it is the reality of what God is.  The word mistranslated as "doctrine" in modern Bibles simply means teaching; there is correct teaching and bad teaching.  There is no such thing as "doctrines" in the Bible.

At Genesis 1:26, the Abrahamic God was speaking to another spirit being, which is why the word "us" was used.


English Standard Version -- Genesis 1:26
"Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

You could highlight the word our also if you're going for completeness. But then it begs three questions at a minimum: (1) who is/are the '[other] spirit being[ s]' who share an image with God, and (2) what does this imply about being made in God's + image, and (3) why are we assuming 'another spirit being' (singular) when our own in-God's-???-imageness includes a rather obvious physicality?

Divine councils. Polytheistic Israelites. Silversun Pickups. Where we going?

[NeutralZone]

God is "us" in Genesis and is three persons in one being, unlike us humans, who are one person in one being. 

Jesus says to baptize in the name of the father, the son and the holy spirit, who are God; three persons in one being.

This is not a doctrine, it is the reality of what God is.  The word mistranslated as "doctrine" in modern Bibles simply means teaching; there is correct teaching and bad teaching.  There is no such thing as "doctrines" in the Bible.

At Genesis 1:26, the Abrahamic God was speaking to another spirit being, which is why the word "us" was used.


English Standard Version -- Genesis 1:26
"Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

You could highlight the word our also if you're going for completeness. But then it begs three questions at a minimum: (1) who is/are the '[other] spirit being[ s]' who share an image with God, and (2) what does this imply about being made in God's + image, and (3) why are we assuming 'another spirit being' (singular) when our own in-God's-???-imageness includes a rather obvious physicality?

Divine councils. Polytheistic Israelites. Silversun Pickups. Where we going?

Richard Aberdeen mentioned only the word "us" in his post, which is why I only addressed that particular pronoun.

To answer your three questions:

1.  There were millions of angels in existence at the time the Abrahamic God spoke what is recorded at Genesis 1:26, and they are all literally in Almighty God's image because they are all spirit beings.

King James Bible -- Revelation 5:11              https://biblehub.com/kjv/revelation/5.htm
"And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten thousand times ten thousand, and thousands of thousands;"


2.  Since humans are fleshly beings rather than spirit beings, the implication is that humans being made in God's image refers to their being endowed with God's four outstanding attributes: Love, Justice, Wisdom, and Power.  Humans are the only creatures on earth that possess all four of those attributes.


3.  Scripture makes it clear that the Almighty was speaking to one particular spirit being because it informs the reader that the Almighty created everything and allowed this one particular spirit being the privilege of having the creating done THROUGH him.

New Living Translation -- Colossians 1:16         https://biblehub.com/nlt/colossians/1.htm
"for through him God created everything in the heavenly realms and on earth. He made the things we can see and the things we can’t see— such as thrones, kingdoms, rulers, and authorities in the unseen world. Everything was created through him and for him."

[Fenris]

At Genesis 1:26, the Abrahamic God was speaking to another spirit being, which is why the word "us" was used.


English Standard Version -- Genesis 1:26
"Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

Two points.

First, this could be what is called the "royal we", or if you like Latin, "pluralis maiestatis". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_we

Second of all, in the very next verse, it says "And God created man..." In Hebrew, verbs are conjugated and can be singular or plural . In theis verse, it uses the singular form. "God created man".

[NeutralZone]

At Genesis 1:26, the Abrahamic God was speaking to another spirit being, which is why the word "us" was used.


English Standard Version -- Genesis 1:26
"Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

Two points.

First, this could be what is called the "royal we", or if you like Latin, "pluralis maiestatis". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_we

Second of all, in the very next verse, it says "And God created man..." In Hebrew, verbs are conjugated and can be singular or plural . In theis verse, it uses the singular form. "God created man".

Exactly.  A singular Abrahamic God named YHWH / Jehovah is the only Creator according to Genesis 1:27.  This is confirmed in various other scriptures.  Below is one example from two different Bible translations where the Heavenly Father made it clear that he alone is Creator.


Good News Translation -- Colossians 1:16                 https://biblehub.com/gnt/colossians/1.htm
"For through him God created everything in heaven and on earth, the seen and the unseen things, including spiritual powers, lords, rulers, and authorities. God created the whole universe through him and for him."

Literal Standard Version -- Isaiah 44:24       https://biblehub.com/lsv/isaiah/44.htm
"Thus said YHWH, your Redeemer, "" And your Framer from the womb: “I [am] YHWH, doing all things, "" Stretching out the heavens by Myself, "" Spreading out the earth—who [is] with Me?

Young's Literal Translation -- Isaiah 44:24      https://biblehub.com/ylt/isaiah/44.htm
"Thus said Jehovah, thy redeemer, And thy framer from the womb: 'I am Jehovah, doing all things, Stretching out the heavens by Myself, Spreading out the earth -- who is with Me?