Have people rightly understood the primary doctrine on Father, Son & Holy Ghost?

[RabbiKnife]

How about John 1:3
Hebrews 1:2
Colossians 1:16

This is tedious

Jesus as God and creator has been a foundational pillar of Christian orthodoxy from the beginning of post resurrection Christian faith and practice.

Are you arguing for a non trinitarian heresy or just flapping your arms about?

[NeutralZone]

How about John 1:3
Hebrews 1:2
Colossians 1:16

This is tedious

Jesus as God and creator has been a foundational pillar of Christian orthodoxy from the beginning of post resurrection Christian faith and practice.

Are you arguing for a non trinitarian heresy or just flapping your arms about?

Resorting to schoolyard insults is hardly the way to take this conversation, RabbiKnife.  Unless you can produce scripture to support your personal philosophy, you have no legitimate argument.

How about John 1:3
Hebrews 1:2
Colossians 1:16

New Living Translation -- John 1:3       https://biblehub.com/nlt/john/1.htm
"God created everything through him, and nothing was created except through him."


Christian Standard Bible -- Hebrews 1:2        https://biblehub.com/csb/hebrews/1.htm
"In these last days, he has spoken to us by his Son. God has appointed him heir of all things and made the universe through him."



New Living Translation -- Colossians 1:16            https://biblehub.com/nlt/colossians/1.htm
"for through him God created everything in the heavenly realms and on earth. He made the things we can see and the things we can’t see— such as thrones, kingdoms, rulers, and authorities in the unseen world. Everything was created through him and for him."


Look at the words that I bolded in blue.  All three scriptures say the same thing: that God (the Father) is Creator.  In fact, Colossians 1:15 says Jesus Christ himself is a created being.


Berean Standard Bible -- Colossians 1:15           https://biblehub.com/bsb/colossians/1.htm
"The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation.

[RabbiKnife]

A nontrinitarian heretic for sure

Don’t get comfortable…

[NeutralZone]

A nontrinitarian heretic for sure

Don’t get comfortable…

I showed you the context to your cherry-picked verses, and that's your idea of an effective rebuttal?  Why am I not surprised that you don't care what the Bible actually says?

[RabbiKnife]

A nontrinitarian heretic for sure

Don’t get comfortable…

I showed you the context to your cherry-picked verses, and that's your idea of an effective rebuttal?  Why am I not surprised that you don't care what the Bible actually says?

I care what the Bible says

I don’t dive a tinkers damn about your opinion about what the Bible says

So let’s cut to the nub, skippy.


Is Jesus eternal God or a created being?  Tik tok tik tok…

[NeutralZone]

A nontrinitarian heretic for sure

Don’t get comfortable…

I showed you the context to your cherry-picked verses, and that's your idea of an effective rebuttal?  Why am I not surprised that you don't care what the Bible actually says?

I care what the Bible says

I don’t dive a tinkers damn about your opinion about what the Bible says

So let’s cut to the nub, skippy.


Is Jesus eternal God or a created being?  Tik tok tik tok…

Let God's inspired word, the Judeo-Christian Bible, answer your question.

New International Version -- Colossians 1:15      https://biblehub.com/colossians/1-15.htm
"The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation."


King James Bible -- John 3:16      https://biblehub.com/kjv/john/3.htm
"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."


Definition of begotten:
": brought into existence by or as if by a parent"

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/begotten

[RabbiKnife]

Is Jesus eternal God?

Or a created being?

Yes or no?

[NeutralZone]

Is Jesus eternal God?

Or a created being?

Yes or no?

Let God's inspired word, the Judeo-Christian Bible, answer your question.


Holman Christian Standard Bible -- John 1:2        https://biblehub.com/hcsb/john/1.htm
"He was with God in the beginning."


Definition of "beginning":
"1 : the point at which something begins : start"

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/beginning


International Standard Version -- Matthew 27:50        https://biblehub.com/isv/matthew/27.htm
"Then Jesus cried out with a loud voice again and died."


Definition of "eternal":
"without beginning or end; lasting forever; always existing (temporal ).  eternal life."

[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.dictionary.com/browse/eternal[/URL]

[Athanasius]

At Genesis 1:26, the Abrahamic God was speaking to another spirit being, which is why the word "us" was used.


English Standard Version -- Genesis 1:26
"Then God said, “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over the livestock and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

Two points.

First, this could be what is called the "royal we", or if you like Latin, "pluralis maiestatis". https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_we

Second of all, in the very next verse, it says "And God created man..." In Hebrew, verbs are conjugated and can be singular or plural . In theis verse, it uses the singular form. "God created man".

The Silversun Pickups option, go figure!

But I'm not in the mood for Arius today, so here's the link https://trinities.org/blog/ -- we may all read discussion of the Trinity to our heart's content. The Romulan qua Arius can go find greener pastures, because geez that's an attitude.

[Fenris]

A nontrinitarian heretic for sure

It's good to be Jewish! I don't get called a nontrinitarian heretic! 

[Athanasius]

A nontrinitarian heretic for sure

It's good to be Jewish! I don't get called a nontrinitarian heretic! 

And here we have the difference between "holds to a different view" and "comes here with the intent to argue a single issue rather than dialogue". The latter gets zero tolerance.

[IMINXTC]

A veritable parade of (opinioned) enlightened ones to show us the way.


Joy!

[RabbiKnife]

A veritable parade of (opinioned) enlightened ones to show us the way.


Joy!

Ah, haiku!

Of enlightened ones
A veritable parade
To show us the way.