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Oscar_Kipling

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Re: Israel, Hamas, etc
« Reply #75 on: October 07, 2024, 03:06:05 PM »

So either you're lying or you have multiple personalities. Which personality am I talking to now?  The one that thinks resistance is a waste of time? Or the one that thinks there is value it "petite rebellions"? And why does that personality think it's ok to lecture victims of murder and genocide on what they should or shouldn't be doing?

Multiple personality disorder? I didn't know you were a psychiatrist from 1973 Fenris, lol.  Anyway I commend your very lateral thinking, but the answer is much simpler and much more common: Yes, I did initially say that , but you convinced me that nonviolent resistance is a waste of time. I'd also like to point out that I didn't just promote nonviolent resistance because my very next sentence read "...and if you have the opportunity to build a first of its kind bomb, do that too, or join a military, or intelligence organization or help find homes for displaced Jews. Plenty of Jews did those things and more during WW2.". However, it turns out that not only did the nonviolent Jewish resistances 'fail', but the violent/armed ones failed as well, and so were likewise also a waste of time. So, no, I don't have multiple personalities, I just see now that instead of admiring WW2 Jews for subtly sabotaging German operations through small acts of nonviolent rebellion (like the V2 rocket production) and suggesting that I promote such acts, I should have rightfully viewed not only those nonviolent acts as a waste of time, but I should have also viewed the failed armed rebellions as a waste of time. Any form of rebellion that does not directly result in liberation or fails to defeat/destroy the enemy is a waste of time. Do you see any flaws in this line of reasoning or are we in complete agreement now?
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« Reply #76 on: October 09, 2024, 11:44:51 AM »
Yes, I did initially say that , but you convinced me that nonviolent resistance is a waste of time.
Then why not just say this in the first place, instead of making two opposing comments on the same page? You said the second comment with as much conviction as the first, with no explanation, as though it were an opinion that you always held. I mean it's not like you don't like to type, you make 500 word posts all the time.

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I should have also viewed the failed armed rebellions as a waste of time. Any form of rebellion that does not directly result in liberation or fails to defeat/destroy the enemy is a waste of time.
Again with this telling the victims of genocide what to do and how to behave. There's an old saying, when you're in a hole, stop digging. It's not your place to say. It's not my place to say.

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« Reply #77 on: October 09, 2024, 04:51:03 PM »
Again with this telling the victims of genocide what to do and how to behave. There's an old saying, when you're in a hole, stop digging. It's not your place to say. It's not my place to say.

Actually you're the one who introduced the idea that passive resistance against the Nazis is a waste of time. I'm just trying to clarify that we both agree that Jews who passively resisted the Nazis during world war 2 wasted their time, just like you said. When I say it is it somehow different than when you say it? Or are we both telling those dead Jewish people that the choices they made were just a waste of time?

 

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