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Fenris

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Re: Is free will a failed concept?
« Reply #150 on: March 18, 2025, 08:01:57 PM »
Air conditioning and indoor plumbing aren’t in the Bible either, but well, you know…
And hence, not real.

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Re: Is free will a failed concept?
« Reply #151 on: March 29, 2025, 09:31:02 AM »
I don't think sin will be ever present. I think the whole reason the Lord tolerates sin in this age,is for it to come to it's fullness, "The Fullness of Iniquity". The Israelites spent over 400 years in Egypt because the iniquity of the Amorites was not yet full. Once they reached the height of debauchery,they were judged by being driven from the land. This same pattern plays out again and again throughout history. Once a general society is so corrupt that it calls good evil and evil good there is no more room for the conviction of sin. They cannot repent. They have become reprobate. Once this occurs, it is called "the fullness of iniquity" and divine judgement is soon at hand. I believe the reason God tolerates the most despicable forms of evil is to let it be shown for all it is. In the age to come(NHNE) there will be no possibility of sin or rebellion. This is for two reasons. 1) We will only have the new nature and the sin nature will be totality eradicated. 2) Evil, having been allowed to come to it's fullness, will be shown for what it is. This will further act as a restraining force that prevents sin. In short...once we get through this and the next phase of testing...there will never be sin again.

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Re: Is free will a failed concept?
« Reply #152 on: March 29, 2025, 08:55:17 PM »
The Israelites spent over 400 years in Egypt because the iniquity of the Amorites was not yet full.
This seems like a strange way to look at it. The Israelites had to endure slavery and bondage because the Amorites hadn't sinned enough yet? What does one have to do with the other? Rather, the Israelites had to endure slavery and bondage to be prepared as a proper receptacle for the revelation at Sinai.

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Re: Is free will a failed concept?
« Reply #153 on: March 29, 2025, 09:52:22 PM »
The Israelites spent over 400 years in Egypt because the iniquity of the Amorites was not yet full.
This seems like a strange way to look at it. The Israelites had to endure slavery and bondage because the Amorites hadn't sinned enough yet? What does one have to do with the other? Rather, the Israelites had to endure slavery and bondage to be prepared as a proper receptacle for the revelation at Sinai.

I think God in his mercy, delays judgement until there is no hope of repentance.

Ge 15:16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.



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Re: Is free will a failed concept?
« Reply #154 on: March 29, 2025, 10:53:14 PM »
Ge 15:16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.
One is not dependent on the other. It wouldn't make any sense. Again, the Israelites have to remain in slavery because the Amorites haven't sinned enough?

 

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