Do you know then God of Jesus?

[ProDeo]

Nothing what I wrote is in disharmony with John 20:17.

And snipping 3 quotes of Jesus plus reasoning without discussing and just repeating your POV isn't very helpful.

When you are hanging out in a Bible forum for 15 years like me you meet a lot of people with quite different views, you only accepting the 4 gospels + Revelation as Scripture is new to me. Perhaps you are willing to tell to which church congregation you belong?

Anyway, every person who follows Jesus is my brother, so blessings.

[RabbiKnife]

It is clear that triune god believers skip all of Jesus' simple and clear definitions of Himself and His God and our God.

It is so sad.

You guys need to take heed of Jesus' own word instead of just following your traditional teaching of RCC.

I don’t think anyone on this forum is Roman Catholic.

You are following a traditional Arian heresy tha denigrates Jesus to being less than God.  In doing so, you make Him an imperfect sacrifice, meaning that we all are still in our sin.  Read Hebrews.

Oh, sorry.  Hebrews isn’t in your Bible.

[Kingfisher]

Isnt Jesus your Lord?

Yes, Jesus is my Lord and my Savoir.

Ephesians 4:4-5 says there is one Lord...
Is Jesus your Lord or is the Father your Lord?

[meshak]

Isnt Jesus your Lord?

Yes, Jesus is my Lord and my Savoir.

Ephesians 4:4-5 says there is one Lord...
Is Jesus your Lord or is the Father your Lord?

then why don't you take heed of His word of "His God is His Father"?

God is one.  According to Him Jesus is not God since His Father is God.

[meshak]

that's no excuse to dismiss what Jesus says about His and His Father's identities.

[meshak]

Anyway, every person who follows Jesus is my brother, so blessings.

I also follow Jesus and take heed of ALL His word.

Do you call me your brethren too?

[Kingfisher]

then why don't you take heed of His word of "His God is His Father"?

I see what you did there...Can you back up this accusation with what I've said or are you projecting to what you think I'll say later in this conversation?

Let's be honest and let each other speak before jumping to accusations. There is no need to project what you think I'll say. If you think I may have a particular belief, ask and I'll do my best to answer.

I'm not trying to win. I'm engaging with the sincere belief of speaking the truth. I ask you do the same, or I will quickly lose respect of your words.

I'll start by stating that your assertion in this instance is correct as I do not agree that "His God is His Father".
Now as has been asked. Please provide scripture for that statement.

[Kingfisher]

Isnt Jesus your Lord?

Yes, Jesus is my Lord and my Savoir.

Ephesians 4:4-5 says there is one Lord...
Is Jesus your Lord or is the Father your Lord?

You still have not answered this question plainly. Can you do so and provide scripture for your answer?

[meshak]

Isnt Jesus your Lord?

Yes, Jesus is my Lord and my Savoir.

Ephesians 4:4-5 says there is one Lord...
Is Jesus your Lord or is the Father your Lord?

First, why dont you refute my quote of Jesus?

You guys have been skipping over and over.
You still have not answered this question plainly. Can you do so and provide scripture for your answer?

First, why dont you refute my quote of Jesus?

You guys have been skipping over and over.

This is what have been skipping:

This is what Jesus says:

John 20:17
Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

[Kingfisher]

First, why dont you refute my quote of Jesus?

You guys have been skipping over and over.
You still have not answered this question plainly. Can you do so and provide scripture for your answer?

You guys have been skipping over and over.

This is what have been skipping:

This is what Jesus says:

John 20:17
Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

I look at this with the whole of scripture in mind and not a single proof text. In the whole of scripture, Jesus often referred to the Father in the 3rd person, so this doesn’t seem out of the ordinary. Jesus in His humanity often deferred to the Father’s will as well. It seems normal in the whole of scripture of the Godhead to refer in human language in this manner. This is explained clearly in Philippians 2:5-11.

Philippians 2:5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus:

6 Who, being in very nature God,
    did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage;
7 rather, he made himself nothing
    by taking the very nature of a servant,
    being made in human likeness.
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
    he humbled himself
    by becoming obedient to death—
        even death on a cross!

9 Therefore God exalted him to the highest place
    and gave him the name that is above every name,
10 that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow,
    in heaven and on earth and under the earth,
11 and every tongue acknowledge that Jesus Christ is Lord,
    to the glory of God the Father.

So that brings me back to my first, still unanswered question to you.
Is Jesus your Lord or is the Father your Lord?

[meshak]

So that brings me back to my first, still unanswered question to you.
Is Jesus your Lord or is the Father your Lord?

Jesus' Father is my God and Jesus is my Lord.

You dont seem to understand the word "Lord".

You still cannot refute Jesus' word of "His Father is His God".

You guys dancing around too much, friend.

[RabbiKnife]

And you worship red letter and ignore the whole of scripture

[meshak]

And you worship red letter and ignore the whole of scripture

Jesus is the Lord and you guys disregarding His own word.

Jesus' word reflects the whole of God's word.

You guys take heed of ALL His word.

Jesus is the Lord.

God and Moses said to listen to Jesus' word.

You dont seem to know that either.

[Kingfisher]

Jesus' Father is my God and Jesus is my Lord.[/b]

You dont seem to understand the word "Lord".

You still cannot refute Jesus' word of "His Father is His God".

Ok, let’s look at some more scripture to form a basis of “Lord” as can be found in the Bible.

John the Baptist was preparing the way of the Lord.
Matt 3:3
This is he who was spoken of through the prophet Isaiah:

“A voice of one calling in the wilderness,
‘Prepare the way for the Lord,
    make straight paths for him.

As can be seen John was referring to Jesus.

And here Jesus is referred to as Lord.
1 Cor 1:9
God is faithful, who has called you into fellowship with his Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.

Jesus is Lord and on this we agree. The Bible is clear that there is one Lord (Eph 4:5), as I’ve already shared.

Is The Father Lord? The Bible states He is.

Exodus 20:2
“I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

Isaiah 41:13
For I am the Lord your God
    who takes hold of your right hand
and says to you, Do not fear;
    I will help you.

Deut 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.

Notice that Lord and God are referred to together here.

Whose name do we call on to be saved?
Joel 2:32
And everyone who calls
    on the name of the Lord will be saved;
for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem
    there will be deliverance,
    as the Lord has said,
even among the survivors
    whom the Lord calls.

Look at Isaiah 42:8
“I am the Lord; that is my name!
    I will not yield my glory to another
    or my praise to idols.

Look Who is speaking here. God does not share the title of Lord.

Jesus claimed the title I Am, He was worshipped, called Lord, & is our savior because…
Philippians 2:6-8
He was the very nature of God

And in Col 2:9
the fullness of deity dwells in Him

Just as a note I won't be able to answer for a while.

[meshak]

Jesus' Father is my God and Jesus is my Lord.[/b]

You dont seem to understand the word "Lord".

You still cannot refute Jesus' word of "His Father is His God".

Ok, let’s look at some more scripture to form a basis of “Lord” as can be found in the Bible.

John the Baptist was preparing the way of the Lord.
Matt 3:3
This is he who was spoken of through the prophet Isaiah:

“A voice of one calling in the wilderness,
‘Prepare the way for the Lord,
    make straight paths for him.

As can be seen John was referring to Jesus.

And here Jesus is referred to as Lord.
1 Cor 1:9
God is faithful, who has called you into fellowship with his Son, Jesus Christ our Lord.

Jesus is Lord and on this we agree. The Bible is clear that there is one Lord (Eph 4:5), as I’ve already shared.

Is The Father Lord? The Bible states He is.

Exodus 20:2
“I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

Isaiah 41:13
For I am the Lord your God
    who takes hold of your right hand
and says to you, Do not fear;
    I will help you.

Deut 6:4
Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.

Notice that Lord and God are referred to together here.

Whose name do we call on to be saved?
Joel 2:32
And everyone who calls
    on the name of the Lord will be saved;
for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem
    there will be deliverance,
    as the Lord has said,
even among the survivors
    whom the Lord calls.

Look at Isaiah 42:8
“I am the Lord; that is my name!
    I will not yield my glory to another
    or my praise to idols.

Look Who is speaking here. God does not share the title of Lord.

Jesus claimed the title I Am, He was worshipped, called Lord, & is our savior because…
Philippians 2:6-8
He was the very nature of God

And in Col 2:9
the fullness of deity dwells in Him

Just as a note I won't be able to answer for a while.

All this lengthy post yet still dancing around and cannot refute what I quoted about Jesus' word.