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« on: December 16, 2021, 02:31:27 AM »
Hostile Comments, Jews have been hated for millennia, stirring antisemetism, casting hateful rhetoric?
All accusations in false claims, my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ was a Jew, God manifest in the flesh
A mystery, who is the focus of your attention, the Christian presenting Gods "Truth"
Perhaps this is a prime example why only a handful of posters are participating in this forum, will the spirit of Antichrist prevail?
The Rabbinical Talmud is "Filth" the truth before your eyes
Jesus Is The Lord!
Mark 6:11KJV
11 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
Quotes Rabbinical Talmud:
Goyim = Gentile or Non Jew
Midrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L Jehovah created the goyim in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The goyim is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night.
Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a goyim, there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a goyim he may keep.
Baba Mezia 114b The goyim are not humans. They are beasts.
Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies to circumvent a goyim.
Abodah Zarah 36b. Goyim girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.
Menahoth 43b-44a. A Jewish man is obligated to say the following prayer every day: “Thank you God for not making me a goyim, a woman or a slave.”
Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a goyim the wages owed him for work.
Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a goyim it does not have to be returned.
Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Goyim prefer sex with cows.
Libbre David 37 To communicate anything to a goyim about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly.
Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156 When a Jew has a goyim in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same goyim, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that the goyim shall be ruined. For the property of a goyim, according to our law, belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it.
Hadarine, 20, B; Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348 A Jew may do to a non-Jewess what he can do. He may treat her as he treats a piece of meat.
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« on: December 16, 2021, 01:02:01 AM »
(Jerusalem) Is The Whore, Mystery Babylon The Great.
The Levitical High Priest Dressing represents "The Woman", that is dressed in purple, scarlet, gold, and precious stones as seen below
(Revelation) 17:4KJV
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:
Yes "The Woman", The Levitical High Priest, Dressed In Purple, Scarlet, Gold, And Precious Stones
(Exodus) 28:15-20KJV
15 And thou shalt make the breastplate of judgment with cunning work; after the work of the ephod thou shalt make it; of gold, of blue, and of purple, and of scarlet, and of fine twined linen, shalt thou make it.
16 Foursquare it shall be being doubled; a span shall be the length thereof, and a span shall be the breadth thereof.
17 And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this shall be the first row.
18 And the second row shall be an emerald, a sapphire, and a diamond.
19 And the third row a ligure, an agate, and an amethyst.
20 And the fourth row a beryl, and an onyx, and a jasper: they shall be set in gold in their inclosings.
(Jerusalem) is the seven hilled city, where the woman sits, not Rome as many falsely claim.
(Revelation) 17:9KJV
9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.
List of cities claimed to be built on seven hills - Wikipedia
Jerusalem, Israel: Jerusalem's seven hills are Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet and the Mount of Corruption (all three are peaks in a mountain ridge that lies east of the Old City), Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built.
The Roman Empire didnt exist to be guilty of the Prophets blood seen below, Jerusalem did.
(Revelation) 18:24KJV
24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.
(Matthew) 23:29-37KJV
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!
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« on: December 16, 2021, 12:07:29 AM »
I think it would be instructive for us Christians for Fenris to help us understand an orthodox Jewish interpretation of Jeremiah 33 I don't think that it's relevant to the discussion at hand, but for clarity and politeness I'll address the point.
First, the understanding that Jeremiah 31 contains more than verse 31. Some Chrisitians have this interesting habit of using a verse as "proof" of something while ignoring the surrounding verses, I don't know, as if the verse is in it's own chapter. (Or a chapter as if it is it's own book; There's apparently a book called "Isaiah 53" which has a mysterious unnamed "suffering servant" who is actually identified by name something like 9 times between Isaiah 40 and Isaiah 52; but that's apparently a different book and so it doesn't count for most Christians).
What's the topic of Jeremiah 31? The ESV gives the chapter the following heading: "The Lord Will Turn Mourning to Joy". Why? Well, let's see some verses. Verse 1: "At that time, declares the Lord, I will be the God of all the clans of Israel, and they shall be my people.”
Verse 3: I have loved you with an everlasting love; therefore I have continued my faithfulness to you.
Verses 7-9 For thus says the Lord: “Sing aloud with gladness for Jacob, and raise shouts for the chief of the nations; proclaim, give praise, and say, ‘O Lord, save your people, the remnant of Israel.’ Behold, I will bring them from the north country and gather them from the farthest parts of the earth, among them the blind and the lame, the pregnant woman and she who is in labor, together; a great company, they shall return here. With weeping they shall come, and with pleas for mercy I will lead them back, I will make them walk by brooks of water, in a straight path in which they shall not stumble, for I am a father to Israel, and Ephraim is my firstborn.
The beautiful and perfect verse 10: “Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it in the coastlands far away; say, ‘He who scattered Israel will gather him, and will keep him as a shepherd keeps his flock.’
Verses 15-17: Thus says the Lord: “A voice is heard in Ramah, lamentation and bitter weeping. Rachel is weeping for her children; she refuses to be comforted for her children, because they are no more.”
Thus says the Lord: “Keep your voice from weeping, and your eyes from tears, for there is a reward for your work, declares the Lord, and they shall come back from the land of the enemy. There is hope for your future,
declares the Lord, and your children shall come back to their own country.
I think that's enough to prove the point: This chapter is about the ingathering of the Jewish exiles in the messianic era. (If you think it means something else then you're ignoring the plain text and that's a different discussion).
In the context of the messianic era, we will now look at verse 31. "“Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah."
Let's read that again. “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah"
The house of Israel and the house of Judah. Not the whole world, who was not part of either the Abrahamic covenant or the one at Sinai. Not the gentiles. Just the Jews.
And what does this new covenant look like?
"...not like the covenant that I made with their fathers..."
Ah, it's different. And in what was is it different?
"...For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. ...
God will put His law within us.
It's not a "new law" (or "no law at all") It's the same law as we obey now. The difference is, it will be "written on our hearts". It will be our nature to keep the bible's laws. The Sabbath and the dietary laws and everything else.
Understanding begins with listening. We don't have to agree. For pity sake, Fenris has authorized me to eat all of his allotment of non-kosher bacon, but then, I've authorized him to eat all of my allotment of gefillte fish, nu?
You're missing out, my wife's gefilte fish is outstanding. Perhaps you'll be around to try it someday. 
Fact of the matter is, you deny Jesus Christ is Messiah/Moshiach, all covenants and promises made to Abraham have been fulfilled in him who you reject Smoked Ham Is On Sale, Just A Prayer And Thanks Giving And God Has Made It Kosher! I plan on having smoked ham and eggs in the morning, it beats gefeltie fish for breakfast, all things are clean through prayer and thanksgiving Galatians 3:16KJV 16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ. Acts 10:11-16KJV 11 And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending upon him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: 12 Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. 13 And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. 14 But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean. 15 And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common. 16 This was done thrice: and the vessel was received up again into heaven. 1 Timothy 4:4-5KJV 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: 5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.
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« on: December 15, 2021, 11:38:19 PM »
The Complete Jewish Bible Is Fake
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« on: December 15, 2021, 11:32:15 PM »
What are your feelings on the Talmuds teachings regarding Goyim/Gentiles?
Gentiles are generally not mentioned. It's 63 volumes totaling over 5,000 pages almost entirely about the finer points Jewish law and the logical tools used to determine them. Is there something specifically that you wanted to talk about? Maybe start another topic about it?
The Rabbinical Talumd Is "FILTH"! Goyim = Gentile or Non Jew Midrasch Talpioth, p. 225-L Jehovah created the goyim in human form so that the Jew would not have to be served by beasts. The goyim is consequently an animal in human form, and condemned to serve the Jew day and night. Sanhedrin 57a . When a Jew murders a goyim, there will be no death penalty. What a Jew steals from a goyim he may keep. Baba Mezia 114b The goyim are not humans. They are beasts. Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies to circumvent a goyim. Abodah Zarah 36b. Goyim girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth. Menahoth 43b-44a. A Jewish man is obligated to say the following prayer every day: “Thank you God for not making me a goyim, a woman or a slave.” Sanhedrin 57a . A Jew need not pay a goyim the wages owed him for work. Baba Mezia 24a . If a Jew finds an object lost by a goyim it does not have to be returned. Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Goyim prefer sex with cows. Libbre David 37 To communicate anything to a goyim about our religious relations would be equal to the killing of all Jews, for if the goyim knew what we teach about them, they would kill us openly. Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 156 When a Jew has a goyim in his clutches, another Jew may go to the same goyim, lend him money and in turn deceive him, so that the goyim shall be ruined. For the property of a goyim, according to our law, belongs to no one, and the first Jew that passes has full right to seize it. Hadarine, 20, B; Schulchan Aruch, Choszen Hamiszpat 348 A Jew may do to a non-Jewess what he can do. He may treat her as he treats a piece of meat.
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« on: December 15, 2021, 08:00:56 PM »
So you believe the Rabbinical Talmud is useful, and you "Endorse" its usage?
I believe the knowledge contained therein is necessary to lead a proper Jewish life. It doesn't really have any application for you though. Although I understand that there are schools in South Korea that study it for intellectual purposes.
What are your feelings on the Talmuds teachings regarding Goyim/Gentiles?
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« on: December 15, 2021, 06:19:09 PM »
Fenris, do you hold the Rabbinical Talmud as valuable to your faith and understanding of God?
The understanding of God through His commandments, yes.
So you believe the Rabbinical Talmud is useful, and you "Endorse" its usage?
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« on: December 15, 2021, 06:08:18 PM »
Esoteric Explanation? Big Smiles
Leave that to those who follow the Esoteric Kabbalah
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« on: December 15, 2021, 06:00:02 PM »
it's my opinion you want to make the bible state what Fenris wants it to say, I have clearly explained my position and we disagree
Yes there is a feat of tabernacles seen, but it's going to be in the Eternal kingdom, and not on this earth, that's my opinion and it's not changing
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« on: December 15, 2021, 05:17:40 PM »
You will closely note, Zechariah 14:16 & Isaiah 4:3-4 are "Parallel" readings of the same event
I am not really understanding this juxtaposition.
Fenris, do you hold the Rabbinical Talmud as valuable to your faith and understanding of God?
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« on: December 15, 2021, 05:13:04 PM »
The point is very clear, Zechariah chapter 14 represents the eternal kingdom after the resurrection and final judgement takes place
It doesn't say any of those things. It simply says that the nations will come to Jerusalem to celebrate a biblical holiday. Why read more into it than what the text says?
The scripture is very clear, man will be dissolved by the Lords fire in judgement, as he stands on his feet, as you disregard this factual truth before your eyes "Why"? Zechariah 14:12KJV 12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
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« on: December 15, 2021, 05:07:28 PM »
The Old Testament Is Very Clear, The Lord Will Return In Fire And Judgement
Sigh. We already have someone here who's all about the fire and judgement. I actually think that most of us will be fine with the coming of the Messiah.
We will disagree, it's not about what man wants to happen, but what Gods words of truth clearly states You have been clearly shown, the Lord returns in fire and final judgement as seen below Malachi 3:2KJV 2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap: Psalm 46:6KJV 6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted. Psalm 50:3KJV 3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him. Psalm 97:5KJV 5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth. Isaiah 66:15KJV 15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. Zechariah 14:12KJV 12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth. Nahum 1:5-6KJV 5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein. 6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.
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« on: December 15, 2021, 04:45:34 PM »
You will closely note, Zechariah 14:16 & Isaiah 4:3-4 are "Parallel" readings of the same event
I am not really understanding this juxtaposition.
The point is very clear, Zechariah chapter 14 represents the eternal kingdom after the resurrection and final judgement takes place, the book of life "Was" opened, judgement is past The Eternal Kingdom seen in Ezekiel chapter 47 is now in action Isaiah 4:3KJV 3 And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem: Daniel 12:1-2KJV 1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
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« on: December 15, 2021, 04:41:04 PM »
Zechariah 14:1-12 below shows the Lords return to earth in fire in final judgement.
Yeah, I don't really like the cross referencing to other biblical books like this. Especially when it's an "out" for understanding the literal text as something else other than what it says.
The Old Testament Is Very Clear, The Lord Will Return In Fire And Judgement Malachi 3:2KJV 2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap: Psalm 46:6KJV 6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted. Psalm 50:3KJV 3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him. Psalm 97:5KJV 5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth. Isaiah 66:15KJV 15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire. Zechariah 14:12KJV 12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth. Nahum 1:5-6KJV 5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein. 6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.
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« on: December 15, 2021, 04:29:32 PM »
Zechariah chapter 14 represents the eternal kingdom in the New Heaven and Earth, the feast of tabernacles will be observed eternally, just as the new moons and sabbath as seen in Isaiah 66:23 below
Isaiah 66:23KJV
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.
You will closely note, Zechariah 14:16 & Isaiah 4:3-4 are "Parallel" readings of the same event, as Isaiah gives a clear account of those who are left, those who are found in the book of life, the final judgement has passed, eternity has begun "After" The Day Of The Lord
You will closely note in Isaiah 4:4 below, Jerusalem will be purged by the spirit of (Judgement) & (Burning)
Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.
Only The Righteous Are Left, The Book Of Life "Was" Opened (Every One That Is Written Among The Living)
Zechariah 14:16KJV
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Isaiah 4:3-4KJV
3 And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:
4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.
Revelation 21:24-27KJV
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
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