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And they returned in 1.948, returned in 1948 for the false messiah to be born, and to do what is commanded in the Scriptures, I mean, to establish the Abomination of Desolation in the middle of the week as Daniel prophesied, then the end will come.
You still haven't explained how Jews are going to worship a person who claims to be God when Jews don't believe a person can be God. Still awaiting your explanation.

What you are saying has not any sense, I explained and now by your own words you are confessing that you didn't understand???

See, the idolater Jews never was linked to the true GOD, of course, so when He came in flesh they received Him not,  GOD was made flesh and chose a NAME for He Himself-JESUS- and this is the why the JEWS believed not in JESUS, the true Messiah, and GOD.

But they will believe in their false messiah and worship him as soon he manifest himself among the people of Israel, by the way, today Israel is full of idolatries and witcheries. The false messiah of the JEWS will manifest himself in this current decade, actually AN IMPOSTOR,  a false messiah.

They rejected JESUS because JESUS is GOD made flesh.

But NOW they will worship the false messiah as God because he is THEIR own FATHER.  Their father was born decades ago, he was made flesh decades ago, in fact a former Cherub, the son of perdition, yeah, their father will manifest NOW in the end of the times as God, and they will worship him and will acclaim him in a thunderous way, resoundingly, even before the whole world, actually his world, after all he is their father and they will worship their father, of course.

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Jeremiah prophesied also their shameful captiviy by 70 years in Babylon.  The history of Israel, even after the return from the capitivity and rebuild of the temple is very very sad due their extreme corruption and desecration,
so GOD stoped to send prophets among them until the Messiah - JESUS - who was murderered by the Jews, for they preferred Barabbas, an evil and devilish man, instead JESUS. They crucified JESUS

Umm so wasn't that the Romans? I mean, it's right in your bible and everything.
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No, was not the Romans, was really the Jews. The high priest then asked Jesus of his disciples, and of his doctrine, and Jesus answered him, I spake openly to the world; I ever taught in the synagogue, and in the temple, whither the Jews always resort; and in secret have I said nothing, so why askest thou me? ask them which heard me, what I have said unto them: behold, they know what I said, and when he had thus spoken, one of the officers which stood by struck Jesus with the palm of his hand, saying, Answerest thou the high priest so? Then Annas had sent him bound unto Caiaphas the high priest.

JESUS was led to Caiaphas unto the hall of Judgment, it was early and they themselves went not into the Judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover. Pilate then went out unto the Jews and said, What accusation bring ye against this man? They answered and said unto him, If he were not a malefactor, we would not have delivered him up unto thee. Pilate said unto the Jews, Take you him, and judge him according to your law. The Jews therefore said unto him, It is not lawful for us to put any man to death:

Pilate entered into the Judgment hall again, and called Jesus, and said unto him, Are you the King of the Jews?  Jesus answered him, Say you this thing of thyself, or did others tell it thee of me?  Pilate answered, Am I a Jew? Thine own nation and the chief priests have delivered thee unto me: what has you done? Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

Pilate said unto JESUS:  Are you a king then? Jesus answered, You say that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heares my voice.  Pilate said unto JESUS:  What is truth? And when he had said this, he went out again unto the Jews, and said unto the JEWS: I find in him no fault at all.

But you have a custom, that should release unto you one at the passover: will you that I release unto you the King of the Jews? Then ALL THE JEWS cried again, saying:  Not this man, not JESUS, but Barabbas. And Barabbas was a robber.  By the way, even the temple was transformed in a den of robbers. 

Quote from: Oseas on February 11, 2022, 02:02:53 PM

Haha the JEWS always worshipped false gods/false prophets and their horrend idols,

Quote from: Fenris on February 11, 2022, 02:53:38 PM

Really? ALWAYS? Even during the time of king David and Solomon and Hezekiah? Have you actually read the bible, or are you just spewing your own preconceived ideas  about Jews without any biblical support whatsoever?

Don't you know? Since they went out from Egypt the idolatry was in their hearts, tought of the wonderful works made before them by GOD , the GOD of their Fathers, the Patriarchs. That generation was terrible, actually since Abel was killed, don't you know? Even GOD thought to destroy them, Moses interceeded before GOD to do not the destruction of the rebbel people. Have you ever read a Torah?

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inclusive golden calf, a god whom his fathers knew not, as Daniel the prophet said, according their evil spirit. By the way, JESUS out legions of spirits from the Jews who were possessed by evil spirits. The idolater Jews never linked to the true GOD, so when He came in flesh they received Him not, this is the why they believed not in JESUS, the true Messiah, and GOD. But they will believe and worship in their messiah that will manifest in this current decade, actually AN IMPOSTOR,  a false messiah, because NOW is their own FATHER who was made flesh decades ago, in fact a former Cherub, the son of perdition, yeah, their father will manifest NOW in the end of the times as God, and they will worship him and will acclaim him in a thunderous way, resoundingly, before the whole world, his world.

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Why are you using 18th century speech?

Why don't you believe in the Word of GOD? The Word is GOD. GOD, the Word, is from Eternity to Eternity, without beginning and ending. JESUS is the beginning, and the ending, understand?

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Of course we differ; JESUS left very clear to the Jews:  Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world (He meant:world of Devil - their father-John 8:44); I am not of this world, said JESUS. John 8:v.23
What about the NT preached by the prophets was not received by the Jews because they reject the GOD of the fathers.

Quote from: Fenris on February 11, 2022, 02:53:38 PM

And yet they worshipped God and still do to this day. I actually pray to God thrice a day.

They don't worship GOD, but never, for they do not know GOD until this day, how could they worship GOD, if they are uncircumcised in heart? They are spiritist, they are esoteric and kabbalistic and their religion is pure spiritism,
as ALL religions invented by the spirit of Devil.  JESUS came to save them from the hands of the astute Devil and to make them free from deceitful and diabolical religions of Devil, but they had rejected and still reject this wonderful deliverance and to be free from the power of Satan. They preferred Barabbas, a son of Devil.

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John 5:v.43-47
43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name (AN IMPOSTOR, A FALSE MESSIAH, WE CAN SAY AN ESOTERIC, AND KABBALISTIC, AND SPIRITIST MESSIAH, THE FUTURE GUIDE AND RULER OF ISRAEL IN THE LAST WEEK, THE WEEK 70th DANIEL 9:v.27 AS WAS PROPHESIED) him ye will receive.

Quote from: Fenris on February 11, 2022, 02:53:38 PM

Umm did you just add words to the bible? All those words in the parenthesis are not in the bible.

Don't you know? There are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit (who is not a ghost as is written in English language, but a Person) : and these three are One.  By the way, the Holy Spirit is the lesser, the smallest, of the three. By the way, whosoever speaks a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come. All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Sspirit shall not be forgiven unto men.
 

Quote from: Fenris on February 11, 2022, 02:53:38 PM

Revelation 22:18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book.

Now, now, are you believing in the NT for now? You have said to me in prior post that you "don't believe the NT is divine writ". What's that?  OK, it is good to see you are starting to believe in the NT.

Quote from: Fenris on February 11, 2022, 02:53:38 PM

I'd say you are in big trouble young man.

Oh no, There are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are One.

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The Ancient of days is at door, and Judgment is given to the saints of the most High, the Judgment shall sit, and they shall take away the dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end. And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

Has nothing to do with what I just said, but whatever.

It is what the Word of GOD says. The Word is GOD, understand?

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Of course, GOD was speaking of the true ISRAEL

Ohh right, of course. That's what God was talking about in Jeremiah 2. How silly of me not to see it.

You have not learned to differentiate true Israel from uncircumcised and deceiving Israel. Read 1Kings 20:v.13 to 15 and try to understand the why the TRUE Israel had only 7 thousands true Israelites. By the way, now, even now, in the end of the Devil's world only and only 144K will be gathered and sealed by the Most High and Almighty GOD. The others, well, the others, ... Matthew 23:v.31-33

Continues in the next post later.

Quote from: Oseas on February 10, 2022, 08:26:42 PM

You should work with the Word of GOD - the Word is GOD -  instead to work with speculations, imaginations, presumptions, and conjectures, and even your own opinion.

Quote from: Fenris on February 10, 2022, 09:59:40 PM

Yeah, and I generally quote the bible too.

OK, but only the letter, the letter kills, in the way the Devil likes. He is a killer of souls.

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Yeah so umm... Jews don't believe that the messiah is God manifest on earth.

Mere presumption of you.

Haha yes of course. But you misunderstand my point here. I'm not debating whether Jewish beliefs are correct or not. That's for another discussion. What I'm saying is that Jews are not going to worship a "false messiah" who claims to be God because Jews don't believe the messiah is God on earth. Understand?

Haha the JEWS always worshipped false gods/false prophets and their horrend idols, inclusive golden calf, a god whom his fathers knew not, as Daniel the prophet said, according their evil spirit. By the way, JESUS CAST out legions of spirits from the Jews who were possessed by evil spirits. The idolater Jews never linked to the true GOD, so when He came in flesh they received Him not, this is the why they believed not in JESUS, the true Messiah, and GOD. But they will believe and worship in their messiah that will manifest in this current decade, actually AN IMPOSTOR,  a false messiah, because NOW is their own FATHER who was made flesh decades ago, in fact a former Cherub, the son of perdition, yeah, their father will manifest NOW in the end of the times as God, and they will worship him and will acclaim him in a thunderous way, resoundingly, before the whole world, his world.

What prevails is the Word of GOD. GOD is Truth. God shall send them STRONG DELUSION, that they should believe a lie, that is, they believe in the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist messiah, the satanic Man Beast like a lamb with two horns and he speaks as Dragon.  It seems you prefer to believe in false interpretation instead a true interpretation of the Word of GOD, unfortunately. The Word is GOD, understand? 

We differ because I don't believe the NT is divine writ, and you do. Makes a big difference in what one believes you see.

Of course we differ; JESUS left very clear to the Jews:  Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world (He meant:world of Devil - their father-John 8:44); I am not of this world, said JESUS. John 8:v.23
What about the NT preached by the prophets was not received by the Jews because they reject the GOD of the fathers.

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The messiah will be an exemplary human being, someone on the order of Moses.

Now a mere imagination of you. The devilish, esoteric, kabbalistic, spiritist false messiah is a ruthless and wicked man, he will give his Power, and his Throne and great Authority to the FIRST Beast, the MONSTROUS Gentile Beast of sea with 7 heads and 10 horns, and he will cause the earth -Israel - and all them which dwell therein to worship the FIRST Beast, the Gentile Beast of sea, whose deadly wound will be healed - healed by the false messiah - exactly when he gives his Power, and his Throne and great Authority to the Gentile Beast, the Beast of sea.

Umm yeah. I wasn't aware that the idea of a "false messiah" was accepted Christian doctrine. If I'm not mistaken, most Christians don't believe in this idea. Anyone, anyone, Bueller, anyone?

John 5:v.43-47

43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name (AN IMPOSTOR, A FALSE MESSIAH, WE CAN SAY AN ESOTERIC, AND KABBALISTIC, AND SPIRITIST MESSIAH, THE FUTURE GUIDE AND RULER OF ISRAEL IN THE LAST WEEK, THE WEEK 70th DANIEL 9:v.27 AS WAS PROPHESIED) him ye will receive.
44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

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Oh, I dunno. Kings David and Solomon come to mind.

OK, you were cunning in your answer, but the reality is that the 10 tribes of Israel rebelled against the house of David, and established a terrific and evil kingdom in Samaria, Israel is a Samaritan people,  their kigs were evil, wicked, demoniac men, FULL OF SATANIC IDOLATRIES, and they killed all MEN OF GOD, the true prophets of the LORD, and left alive THE SATANIC FALSE PROPHETS, and they have nothing to do with the Kingdom of Judah.
Read the Bible.

One second.  You said, and I quote, "What Israel's king did what was good before GOD?" And I just named two, David and Solomon. Hezekiah comes to mind also. What's this ranting and raving about? It has nothing to do with the topic.

The Ancient of days is at door, and Judgment is given to the saints of the most High, the Judgment shall sit, and they shall take away the dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end. And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

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So God prevents Israel from returning to God, and then punishes Israel for not returning to God. Some nice theology you got there.

The problem is that your thinking is from a human perspective, not from God's perspective. This behaviour is very danger. Matthew 16:v.21-22

So from God's perspective, it's ok to prevent someone from returning to God and then punishing them for that. That seems, I dunno, needlessly sadistic? Look it up. Also going to repost these verses, since you seem to have missed them. Or maybe they're not in your bible.
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Israel will not return to GOD.

And I replied-
Jeremiah 31: Hear, O nations, the word of the LORD, and proclaim it in distant coastlands: “The One who scattered Israel will gather them and keep them as a shepherd keeps his flock."You also said

Israel never was linked to GOD.

and I replied

Jeremiah 2: Now the word of the LORD came to me, saying, “Go and proclaim in the hearing of Jerusalem that this is what the LORD says: ‘I remember the devotion of your youth, your love as a bride, how you followed Me in the wilderness, in a land not sown. Israel was holy to the LORD, the firstfruits of His harvest. All who devoured her found themselves guilty; disaster came upon them,’ ” declares the LORD.
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Of course, GOD was speaking of the true ISRAEL, the 144K, the remnant exclusively, 12K of each tribe, except the tribe of Dan, from whom Jacob prophesied saying Dan would be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, by the way the serpent as a stumblingblock tempted JESUS with his traps.

Jeremiah prophesied also their shameful captiviy by 70 years in Babylon.  The history of Israel, even after the return from the capitivity and rebuild of the temple is very very sad due their extreme corruption and desecration,
so GOD stoped to send prophets among them until the Messiah - JESUS - who was murderered by the Jews, for they preferred Barabbas, an evil and devilish man, instead JESUS. They crucified JESUS and after 40 years, the people of Israel was severely punished, hundreds of thousands were killed, the temple and the holy city were destroyed, Israel was scattered around the world AND THEY REMAINED PUNISHED SEVERELY FOR 1.878 years in fulfillment deuteronomy 28v.15 to 68, 53 verses of extreme punishments and curses. And they returned in 1.948, returned in 1948 for the false messiah to be born, and to do what is commanded in the Scriptures, I mean, to establish the Abomination of Desolation in the middle of the week as Daniel prophesied, then the end will come. 

You should work with the Word of GOD - the Word is GOD -  instead to work with speculations, imaginations, presumptions, and conjectures, and even your own opinion.   

Yeah so umm... Jews don't believe that the messiah is God manifest on earth.

Mere presumption of you. You are saying that, but what did JESUS say to the Jews? "I am come in my Father's name, and you receive me not: if another (AN IMPOSTOR, A FALSE MESSIAH) shall come in his own name, him ye will receive. How can you believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that comes from God ONLY? 

What prevails is the Word of GOD. GOD is Truth. God shall send them STRONG DELUSION, that they should believe a lie, that is, they believe in the esoteric, and kabbalistic, and spiritist messiah, the satanic Man Beast like a lamb with two horns and he speaks as Dragon. 

It seems you prefer to believe in false interpretation instead a true interpretation of the Word of GOD, unfortunately. The Word is GOD, understand? 

The messiah will be an exemplary human being, someone on the order of Moses.

Now a mere imagination of you. The devilish, esoteric, kabbalistic, spiritist false messiah is a ruthless and wicked man, he will give his Power, and his Throne and great Authority to the FIRST Beast, the MONSTROUS Gentile Beast of sea with 7 heads and 10 horns, and he will cause the earth -Israel - and all them which dwell therein to worship the FIRST Beast, the Gentile Beast of sea, whose deadly wound will be healed - healed by the false messiah - exactly when he gives his Power, and his Throne and great Authority to the Gentile Beast, the Beast of sea.

Only not quite Moses, because the messiah's power of prophecy will be less than Moses's was.

By your own words it seems the false messiah is familiar to you. In fact, he was born decades ago and will manifest himself soon.

You might not have come across it (although how one could miss such a thing, I do not know) but one of the reasons that the Jews do not accept Jesus as the messiah is precisely those claims of divinity. So to say that they will somehow accept messianic claims of divinity is just...yeah. Not gonna happen.

If you had ever read the Bible some time, I mean the Old and New Testaments, you would see that the Jewish people would reject Him,  and they really rejected Him for many reasons, and not just for the single reason you mentioned. Sorry, you are wrong.

Oh, I dunno. Kings David and Solomon come to mind.

OK, you were cunning in your answer, but the reality is that the 10 tribes of Israel rebelled against the house of David, and established a terrific and evil kingdom in Samaria, Israel is a Samaritan people,  their kigs were evil, wicked, demoniac men, FULL OF SATANIC IDOLATRIES, and they killed all MEN OF GOD, the true prophets of the LORD, and left alive THE SATANIC FALSE PROPHETS, and they have nothing to do with the Kingdom of Judah.
Read the Bible.

So God prevents Israel from returning to God, and then punishes Israel for not returning to God. Some nice theology you got there.

The probem is that your thinking is from a human perspective, not from God's perspective. This behaviour is very danger. Matthew 16:v.21-22

Quote from: Oseas on January 28, 2022, 11:16:54 PM

No, there will not be any military invasion of Israel in the current decade-2020 to 2030.

I don't even know if Russia will invade the Ukraine tomorrow, but you know for a fact that Israel won't be invaded any time in this decade?

Does your crystal ball also provide lottery numbers?

Why crystal ball, if it is a devilish squeme used by deceiver spirits like frogs? I work with the Word of GOD, the Word is GOD. But what will really happen in Israel in near days to come, or even what kind of invasion will happen in Israel? I will try to describe it of the best manner I can, English is not my native language.

Your thinking is from a human perspective, not from GOD's perspective!  I see that the line up of your vision still needs of some corrections to fit with the real and true events that will happen from now on, day after day, strictly, yes, strictly according the Word of GOD. The Word is GOD, understand? GOD is in control of history, nothing random happens.

Israel will not be invaded by Russians' armies or other nation.

How really will Israel be invaded?

What will really happen in Israel is that the false messiah will manifest himself (he was born decades ago) and he will sit on his throne in Jerusalem saying he is God, showing himself that he is God by great signs and wonders of lie he has power to do. THIS SATANIC EVENT will cause a great impact in the world, even the CHRISTIANS BELIEVERS will be astonished with this event and the great wonders that will be made by the false messiah: And now: Believe or not believe in that Jewish Man messiah of the Jews?

Then, as a God, he will make a COVENANT with the Beast of sea, in fact he will give his Power, and his Throne, and great Authority to the Gentile Beast of sea enthroned in Jerusalem, and the CURT will be given to the Gentile peoples, Gentile nations, and the Holy City shall they tread under foot AS AN INVASION forty and two months-1.260 days. THIS IS/WILL BE THE FIRST HALF OF THE WEEK 70th Daniel 9:v.27.

THERE WILL NOT BE WWIII, the only  World War that will happen from now on and until the END of the times is written in Revelation 11:v.15 to 18, and 12:v.7, combined with Revelation 16:v.13-16, and Revelation 19:v.11 to 21, and 1Corinthians 15:v.24-28.

You and ALL must be ready.

What does the Word of GOD say?

JESUS warned: Matt. 24:v.6-8:
VERSE 6 -  Ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the END is not yet. (Comment: This is fulfilling literally and will continue in future by indefinite days, day after day).

VERSE 7 - For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: (Comments: Understand: For now the fulfilment of this prophecy is in stand by because we are in the beginning of sorrows. Actually, the extension of this prophecy goes far, very far,  inimaginable, because the chastisements have its beginning, yeah, its beginning, but it WILL NEVER END, it WILL NEVER STOP, BUT NEVER, the punishment is ETERNAL, it is for ever and ever, understand? Once the Word of GOD says it is nation against nation, and kingdom against kingdom, understand it, there will not be any kind of "Federation" or Confederations-for examples-,and also united groups that still there are today as follow :

UN - United Nations Organization
NATO - North Atlantic Treaty Organization
OAS - Organization of American States
WTO - World Trade Organization
UNESCO - United Nations Organization for Education, Science and Culture
OECD - Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.
BIRD - International Bank for Reconstruction and Development.
IMF - International Monetary Fund
WHO - World Health Organization
ILO - International Labor Organization, 

ALL, but ALL, will be destroied, will be DISSOLVED, yeah, DISSOLVED, like an GIGANTIC IMPLOSION, by analogy, something like the INIMAGINABLE fall of the two TOWERS of the WTC-Word Trade Center, so the confusion or mess is done, in other words, the hell's fire starts to burn, the eternal fire, yeah, forever and ever.
For better understand of you and ALL, I remember 2 Peter 3:v.7 to 18:

7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

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What precisely are you arguing against that I wrote? If you can't pinpoint any argument, don't bother with the insulting rhetoric.

You didn't understand or misunderstood, I was not arguing what you wrote, but what is wrote in your sources that is good for nothing to explain the difference of 240 years of the Jewish calendar.
I meant to highlighted that the Biblical Chronology within the Word of GOD - the Word is GOD - is the best source to know about biblical times. According the Word of GOD, the Jewish calendar is wrong if compared with the biblical Chronology above posted.

You have nothing to say to anybody here if you're unable to cite sources outside of the Bible. Your very question is based on outside sources. That's a contradiction.

What question? There isn't any question in my post, only statements.

No, I'm not a Kabbalist in the sense you mean it. What I meant to say to another is that it is along a similar vein, like reading an intelligent pattern into a number of puzzle pieces and then deriving from that a kind of message designed for those who wish to dig deeper.

Whence then comes wisdom? and where is the place of inteligence?
GOD said to the man: Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding.
And when digging deep, remember : The way of life is above to the wise, that he may depart from hell beneath.

I never read into the Scriptures that which is not supported by Scripture itself.

Of course, how could the Word of GOD itself be not supported by the Word of GOD itself?  What you say is as if God does not support Himself. It is as if God does not support Himself. What you said has not any sense.