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Kinda says it all: Win the hearts of a hard-bitten constituency by shooting a puppy for no apparent good reason then take to media to brag about it.
South Dakota Republican Gov. Kristi Noem seems to certainly epitomize todays ideal candidate: one who knows just what to do in the case of the over-zealous.
Something about a woman who can shoot a puppy in the first place that just shouts "God Bless America."
I jest.
No...I don't.
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I always wondered why America despite 4 years of lies almost reelected Donald Trump, you guys are nuts ;D
But then the Netherlands once was a very nice country, but last year the Dutch election was won convincingly by an extreme right party whom leader is convicted by the court for racism. He is now leading the negotiations to form a government with 3 other parties and probably the unthinkable will happen that he succeeds.
So we are close to be as nuts as you (and maybe we already passed you) and from now on I can not longer blame you ;D, the speck has become the log.
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Having been spending some time around Twitter, it is just amazing the need for some to post stuff that no reasonable person would/should feel the need to post about.
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All politicians lie, especially the ones that claim to follow Jesus. By the time you reach any level of political ascendancy such that your election even matters, you are by nature so compromised that you can justify anything to yourself.
"4 years of lies"... please explain.
How is any politician any different from any other? They are all about power for the sake of power (see the book 1984).
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I always wondered why America despite 4 years of lies almost reelected Donald Trump, you guys are nuts ;D
But then the Netherlands once was a very nice country, but last year the Dutch election was won convincingly by an extreme right party whom leader is convicted by the court for racism. He is now leading the negotiations to form a government with 3 other parties and probably the unthinkable will happen that he succeeds.
So we are close to be as nuts as you (and maybe we already passed you) and from now on I can not longer blame you ;D, the speck has become the log.
Did you see the alternative to Trump? It feels like the scene at the end of the original Ghostbusters movie when the ghostbusters are invited to "choose the form of the destroyer".
What is pretty sad is that a country of over 300,000,000 people apparently can't find any better candidates than the two we're offered.
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They don't want a better candidate i.e. a true statesman.
They want a political power that will get them their stuff at the expense of other American's stuff.
So a "good candidate" cannot be elected, as the philosophical, societal, and economic desires are too disparate.
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All politicians lie, especially the ones that claim to follow Jesus. By the time you reach any level of political ascendancy such that your election even matters, you are by nature so compromised that you can justify anything to yourself.
"4 years of lies"... please explain.
How is any politician any different from any other? They are all about power for the sake of power (see the book 1984).
Every day it feels more and more like the only point of reference for concepts of totalitarianism, oppression and surveillance states that people have is 1984. Its like, perhaps try reading a second book. Maybe something outside of a 75 year old novel. Its not so much that there are no useful ideas and helpful analogies that can be gleaned from the book, its that this highschool staple that should be treated as an accessible introduction to complex topics is instead often presented as the definative work on pathological political systems. It is at the end of the day it is a novel with simplistic representations of people and the morally complex landscape that produces, inhabits, maintains and even overturns pathological political systems. "See 1984" or "Read 1984" isn't informative analysis of our political climate its what people do instead of that to transmit some vague insinuations about how scary it all is. By my reckoning it doesn't lead to a deeper understanding of the dangers posed by whatever item prompted the book recommendation it just pastes over it with some sloganic labels that we can all gawk at, superficially react to over and exchange like political pokemon cards. That being said, If you really want to understand what I'm talking about you should read an awesome book called "1984".
Anyway those are just some of my personal picadilloes with 1984 recommendations, my true unsolicited criticism is the flattening power of "How is any politician any different from any other? They are all about power for the sake of power.". Just as people like to assert that "everybody is racist" as if it follows from this rather dubious premise that any and all opposition or sometimes just a particular expression of opposition is hypocritical and is therefore invalid in some way. Even though I think we can all agree that you shouldn't rob a bank, There are more destructive and less destructive ways to go about it. I personally believe that Hank "Murder-Everybody-In-The-Bank" McCoy's style of robbery is susceptible to some vectors of criticism that Gaspar "Hypnotize-The-Manager-Into-Enthusiastically-Relenquishing-The-Cash" Romanov's style isn't. Does that mean that on some level I'm pro bank robbery? I don't think so but to let some folks tell it it does, or at least its a disgusting unjustified double standard worthy of sending me to the pillories to be pelted with spoiled tomatoes and rancid cabbages.
And before you get all huffy, remember that I'm only telling you this because I love you. You see the world defines love as this gushy squishy weak fawning thing, but you and I both know that truly loving someone means saying things that might hurt their feelings in the moment but will ultimately help them grow if they open their hearts to righteous correction. I love you so very much.
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In a twist of unfunny irony, the abortion issue will likely serve to sink the GOP (as D. Trump soberly predicted) in November, while advanced leftist policies become even more entrenched.
"Woman's Reproductive Rights" tops the list of emotionally charged misnomers, while very, very few seem able to grasp or present the issue in any meaningfull context.
A majority, right or left, wants abortion protected.
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In a twist of unfunny irony, the abortion issue will likely serve to sink the GOP (as D. Trump soberly predicted) in November, while advanced leftist policies become even more entrenched.
"Woman's Reproductive Rights" tops the list of emotionally charged misnomers, while very, very few seem able to grasp or present the issue in any meaningfull context.
A majority, right or left, wants abortion protected.
I wonder if it's at least a bit more complex than just "wants abortion protected". I suspect a reasonable number (maybe even a majority) would be quite happy to ban very late term abortions unless there were compelling medical reasons for it.
The trouble with outright bans on abortions is that they make for such unfriendly headlines, like the one in (I think) Ohio where a 10-year-old rape victim wasn't allowed to abort the resulting pregnancy. It may not be a trendy argument to say that if you consent to sex (i.e. a baby-making activity) you consent to the potential to actually make a baby, but there is merit to it. There's less merit in the argument that the person who never consented to the sex should be stuck with the results of it.
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Personally, I have come to the conclusion that when someone gets into public office, any office, it doesn't matter which office, they have their common sense surgically removed.
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Yeah, what for years, since just before Roe, was a consistent, faith-based condemnation of abortion in most cases, has become incohesive at best as states adopt seemingly draconian measures, forbidding even remedial abortions for ectopic pregnancies, which endanger the life of the mother, etc.
From one extreme to another - liberal abortion on demand, including late-term, as mentioned, to the banning of even abortions for urgent medical expediencies and special circumstances too harsh to casually list here.
Each extreme faction frightens the other.
Common sense? Aborted.
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"4 years of lies"... please explain.
Doesn't character count any longer?
Men like -
Kennedy
Carter
Reagan
Obama
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A serial adulterer and a progressive globalist punk?
I guess two out of four ain’t bad
No, character doesn’t matter anymore
A pagan country cannot be governed by a principled leader
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Yeah, what for years, since just before Roe, was a consistent, faith-based condemnation of abortion in most cases, has become incohesive at best as states adopt seemingly draconian measures, forbidding even remedial abortions for ectopic pregnancies, which endanger the life of the mother, etc.
From one extreme to another - liberal abortion on demand, including late-term, as mentioned, to the banning of even abortions for urgent medical expediencies and special circumstances too harsh to casually list here.
Each extreme faction frightens the other.
Common sense? Aborted.
I think a major part of the anti-abortion absolutist position that's troublesome is that it so often comes from a place of faith and then seeks to impose that faith by force of law on others regardless of whether they share that belief.
I forget where I read the notion that if we apply the principles used at the end of life to figure when life ends but in reverse to figure out when life begins we can come up with something scientific and coherent, and work from there without any requirement to impose our faith on another. For good measure the principles used to determine the end of life were from a secular scientific organisation so there was no question of trying to sneak in religious convictions by the back door.
Of course if the secular national law allows limited access to abortion based on secular assessments of when life begins the individual is free to choose not to seek an abortion based on their own convictions of whatever nature, but others are free to make a different choice.
But, as you say, common sense got aborted somewhere along the line too.
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I always wondered why America despite 4 years of lies almost reelected Donald Trump, you guys are nuts ;D
But then the Netherlands once was a very nice country, but last year the Dutch election was won convincingly by an extreme right party whom leader is convicted by the court for racism. He is now leading the negotiations to form a government with 3 other parties and probably the unthinkable will happen that he succeeds.
So we are close to be as nuts as you (and maybe we already passed you) and from now on I can not longer blame you ;D, the speck has become the log.
Did you see the alternative to Trump? It feels like the scene at the end of the original Ghostbusters movie when the ghostbusters are invited to "choose the form of the destroyer".
No.
What is pretty sad is that a country of over 300,000,000 people apparently can't find any better candidates than the two we're offered.
Indeed. We are facing a similar problem here and we have about 16-18 parties.
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So it isn’t the form of government, it is the people that seek power.
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So it isn’t the form of government, it is the people that seek power.
There it is.
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Texas man files legal action to probe ex-partner’s out-of-state abortion Washington Post. Story by Caroline Kitchener
“Mr. Davis is considering whether to sue individuals and organizations that participated in the murder of his unborn child,” Mitchell, widely known as the architect of Senate Bill 8, wrote in Davis’s complaint in March."
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/texas-man-files-legal-action-to-probe-ex-partner-s-out-of-state-abortion/ar-AA1o4SSv?cvid=71f0c193addc4b1dd338cfaa48cffa1a&ei=19&ocid=socialshare
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Just what we needed: to be drug through yet another salacious sex trial which is not a sex trial (of course).
EDIT: Sounds like a sex trial.
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Heard a woman political speaker today vehemently declare
that "reproductive freedom" is a "cornerstone of democracy."
Appears illiteracy is doing well in the poles.
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So it isn’t the form of government, it is the people that seek power.
As recently written elsewhere -
Simon Carmiggelt was a popular intellectual in the 60's, 70's and 80's who frequently had a short column on Dutch television on all kind of subjects. Famous (for me) was his column about democracy which I unfortunately can't find back on YouTube. Concluding he said - Two cheers for democracy. Not three, three is too much, two is enough. He saw the fragility of democracy.
Nowadays I would say, one cheer for democracy, the fragility of democracy is exploited by the maximum by 1) social media 2) Populists, Russian fake news, but 4) IMO most of all by Donald Trump.
Maybe we are heading for a time that democracy has no value at all and people are ready again for an autocracy with a strong leader to restore the chaos. We know how that will end.
Remember, Hitler was chosen democratically.
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So it isn’t the form of government, it is the people that seek power.
As recently written elsewhere -
Simon Carmiggelt was a popular intellectual in the 60's, 70's and 80's who frequently had a short column on Dutch television on all kind of subjects. Famous (for me) was his column about democracy which I unfortunately can't find back on YouTube. Concluding he said - Two cheers for democracy. Not three, three is too much, two is enough. He saw the fragility of democracy.
Nowadays I would say, one cheer for democracy, the fragility of democracy is exploited by the maximum by 1) social media 2) Populists, Russian fake news, but 4) IMO most of all by Donald Trump.
Maybe we are heading for a time that democracy has no value at all and people are ready again for an autocracy with a strong leader to restore the chaos. We know how that will end.
Remember, Hitler was chosen democratically.
Democracy is a horrible form of government. As has been famously said, "democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding on the lunch menu." Democracy guarantees that the minority will be enslaved by the majority, that the wealth of the poor will be taken by a bloated bureacracy, and that those without power will be the perpetual underclass.
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It's clearly the so-called evangelicals who are the driving force behind this attempt to everthrow the U.S. democracy in support of a dictatorship.
Ban me, of course. Your site is now blocked anyway.
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It's clearly the so-called evangelicals who are the driving force behind this attempt to everthrow the U.S. democracy in support of a dictatorship.
Ban me, of course. Your site is now blocked anyway.
There is not now and never has been a “US democracy.”
And no one is trying to overthrow anything.
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So it isn’t the form of government, it is the people that seek power.
As recently written elsewhere -
Simon Carmiggelt was a popular intellectual in the 60's, 70's and 80's who frequently had a short column on Dutch television on all kind of subjects. Famous (for me) was his column about democracy which I unfortunately can't find back on YouTube. Concluding he said - Two cheers for democracy. Not three, three is too much, two is enough. He saw the fragility of democracy.
Nowadays I would say, one cheer for democracy, the fragility of democracy is exploited by the maximum by 1) social media 2) Populists, Russian fake news, but 4) IMO most of all by Donald Trump.
Maybe we are heading for a time that democracy has no value at all and people are ready again for an autocracy with a strong leader to restore the chaos. We know how that will end.
Remember, Hitler was chosen democratically.
Democracy is a horrible form of government. As has been famously said, "democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding on the lunch menu." Democracy guarantees that the minority will be enslaved by the majority, that the wealth of the poor will be taken by a bloated bureacracy, and that those without power will be the perpetual underclass.
Suggest something better and I will embrace it immediately.
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Constitutional republic with separation of powers limited by citizens
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It's clearly the so-called evangelicals who are the driving force behind this attempt to everthrow the U.S. democracy in support of a dictatorship.
Ban me, of course. Your site is now blocked anyway.
There is not now and never has been a “US democracy.”
And no one is trying to overthrow anything.
I mean, someone is trying to overthrow something, or at least some are doing what constitutes trying in their minds...which I can see how some might argue that being really loud, disingenuously self serious isn't a good try, but there is no accounting right? Point that where ever you like, and I'd say it applies.
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So it isn’t the form of government, it is the people that seek power.
As recently written elsewhere -
Simon Carmiggelt was a popular intellectual in the 60's, 70's and 80's who frequently had a short column on Dutch television on all kind of subjects. Famous (for me) was his column about democracy which I unfortunately can't find back on YouTube. Concluding he said - Two cheers for democracy. Not three, three is too much, two is enough. He saw the fragility of democracy.
Nowadays I would say, one cheer for democracy, the fragility of democracy is exploited by the maximum by 1) social media 2) Populists, Russian fake news, but 4) IMO most of all by Donald Trump.
Maybe we are heading for a time that democracy has no value at all and people are ready again for an autocracy with a strong leader to restore the chaos. We know how that will end.
Remember, Hitler was chosen democratically.
Democracy is a horrible form of government. As has been famously said, "democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding on the lunch menu." Democracy guarantees that the minority will be enslaved by the majority, that the wealth of the poor will be taken by a bloated bureacracy, and that those without power will be the perpetual underclass.
I feel like this is where they all sort of tend though because these are the tendencies of people. I don't think Democracy is a terrible system, I just think that it is not as broadly applicable as some of us like to think, the implementation matters quite a bit, and getting people to buy into it is critical like lots of systems. I'd say the same thing about economic systems and kitchen appliances so in a way I aint said nothing.
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So it isn’t the form of government, it is the people that seek power.
As recently written elsewhere -
Simon Carmiggelt was a popular intellectual in the 60's, 70's and 80's who frequently had a short column on Dutch television on all kind of subjects. Famous (for me) was his column about democracy which I unfortunately can't find back on YouTube. Concluding he said - Two cheers for democracy. Not three, three is too much, two is enough. He saw the fragility of democracy.
Nowadays I would say, one cheer for democracy, the fragility of democracy is exploited by the maximum by 1) social media 2) Populists, Russian fake news, but 4) IMO most of all by Donald Trump.
Maybe we are heading for a time that democracy has no value at all and people are ready again for an autocracy with a strong leader to restore the chaos. We know how that will end.
Remember, Hitler was chosen democratically.
Democracy is a horrible form of government. As has been famously said, "democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding on the lunch menu." Democracy guarantees that the minority will be enslaved by the majority, that the wealth of the poor will be taken by a bloated bureacracy, and that those without power will be the perpetual underclass.
I feel like this is where they all sort of tend though because these are the tendencies of people. I don't think Democracy is a terrible system, I just think that it is not as broadly applicable as some of us like to think, the implementation matters quite a bit, and getting people to buy into it is critical like lots of systems. I'd say the same thing about economic systems and kitchen appliances so in a way I aint said nothing.
The biggest problem with democracy is that, as the whole "two wolves and a sheep" demonstrates, it does little to nothing to protect the rights of the minority.
If 99% of people want something banned, is that a reason to ban it in and of itself? Do the 1% of people who aren't harming anybody by doing it get any say in the matter? What about if 90% of people want something banned? What about 75%? 60%? 50.00001%?
Another issue with democracy is making sure people get a fair level of representation, particularly when governments get ever-larger and more remote. It doesn't seem right that the citizens of Manhatten should outvote the citizens of the whole of Montana, particularly when relating to issues that don't actually affect Manhatten. This is as much a case for local government as it is for a system other than strict democracy, but shows one of many weaknesses of democracy as it stands. Hence a system like the Electoral College that allocates a higher weight to the voters of California than to Montana but still makes sure the less populous states get at least some representation.
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Constitutional republic with separation of powers limited by citizens
What will change?
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If we could only remove the offensive and unprovable claims to divine favor (in political speeches), perhaps we could get started on a making our nation and our planet a better and safer place to inhabit.
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EARLY AND OFTEN SEPT. 25, 2023
Trump Has a Real Problem With Wounded Vets
By Margaret Hartmann, senior editor for Intelligencer.
"After Avila's performance, Trump walked over to congratulate him, but then said to Milley, within earshot of several witnesses, “Why do you bring people like that here? No one wants to see that, the wounded.” Never let Avila appear in public again, Trump told Milley."
The Atlantic also previously reported that during a 2018 planning meeting for a military parade, the then-president asked his staff not to include wounded veterans, on grounds that spectators would feel uncomfortable in the presence of amputees. ‘Nobody wants to see that,’ he said.”
Not only vets.
“The shape they’re in, all the expenses, maybe those kinds of people should just die.” Fred Trump allegedly quoting Donald Trump.
All in the Family: The Trumps and How We Got This Way
by Fred C. Trump III | Jul 30, 2024
This title will be released on July 30, 2024.
Aside: I've been disabled since age four, and God is demonstrably on my side. After 7 decades I guess maybe I will just die :)
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Trump Has a Real Problem With Wounded Vets
By Margaret Hartmann, senior editor for Intelligencer.
It's funny to me how these inflammatory quotes are only ever heard by third rate reporters working for third rate magazines.
I've never met the man myself, but cops I've worked with have. And they tell me he's an absolute gentleman who has nothing but respect for law enforcement and the military.
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Trump Has a Real Problem With Wounded Vets
By Margaret Hartmann, senior editor for Intelligencer.
It's funny to me how these inflammatory quotes are only ever heard by third rate reporters working for third rate magazines.
Is it funny? It seems conceivable that a person might be less guarded around a person that they don't recognize or hold with any regard because they are just a third rate reporter from a third rate publication. Regardless, its a pretty bizarre stance to take to say that Trump's inflammatory quotes are only those overheard by third stringers lurking in the shadows when he has been perfectly happy to say all manner of inflammatory things in front of zounds of people and cameras and all over social media. While its never a good idea to put much credence in unconfirmed or out of context quotes just because it seems like the kind of thing that person would say, it is pretty weird to use a half hearted suspicion salting defense of "these inflammatory quotes are only ever heard by third rate reporters working for third rate magazines" for this particular man who arguably takes both pride and credit for inflammatory quotes that he broadcasts several times a week. Strange hill Fenris.
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Trump Has a Real Problem With Wounded Vets
By Margaret Hartmann, senior editor for Intelligencer.
It's funny to me how these inflammatory quotes are only ever heard by third rate reporters working for third rate magazines.
I've never met the man myself, but cops I've worked with have. And they tell me he's an absolute gentleman who has nothing but respect for law enforcement and the military.
Hooah! Based on experience, what Trump does when speaking with law enforcement, military, or their families paints a whole different (true) reality when weighed against "words" and a perspective (false) so many attempt to paint. Actions reveal the truth (speak louder) of the matter compared to hearsay, no matter how loud the hearsay is spoken or written.
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As a life-long conservative Republican, around 2016 my suspicious instincts strongly informed me that the introduction of Trump/Maga would all but insure the establishing of an alternative and highly progressive political swing for the forseeable future.
Step by step it is coming to pass and that has been by default.
Perhaps the Christian Nationalists could reasonably form their own party and continue to strive for power, but it's difficult to imagine the GOP returning to it's former self, having literally trampled every revered institution in lieu of an autocracy.
IMO.
I had promised to stay away from this board and will keep my word this time.
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As a life-long conservative Republican, around 2016 my suspicious instincts strongly informed me that the introduction of Trump/Maga would all but insure the establishing of an alternative and highly progressive political swing for the forseeable future.
Step by step it is coming to pass and that has been by default.
Perhaps the Christian Nationalists could reasonably form their own party and continue to strive for power, but it's difficult to imagine the GOP returning to it's former self, having literally trampled every revered institution in lieu of an autocracy.
My conclusion as well. By some of the things Trump said during his presidency about Russia and China he was showing his jealousy about the 2 regimes they could stay in power as long as they wished and execute their longstanding political views without any nasty interruption of a democratic regime change.
Trump hasn't embraced Project 2025 yet, but.....
I had promised to stay away from this board and will keep my word this time.
We are living on a tipping point in history, a change of world power, autocracy more successful than democracy.
I will miss your wisdom.
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Thanks Pro!
I consider Jan 6, 2021 the tragic day of no-return.
Best wishes.
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"And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:" 2 Thess 2:11
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Thanks Pro!
I consider Jan 6, 2021 the tragic day of no-return.
Best wishes.
As do I, but likely for a different reason.
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Is it funny? It seems conceivable that a person might be less guarded around a person that they don't recognize or hold with any regard because they are just a third rate reporter from a third rate publication.
It seems conceivable that a third rate reporter working for a third rate magazine might take creative license, and by this I mean outright fabricate, in order to attempt to be relevant.
he has been perfectly happy to say all manner of inflammatory things in front of zounds of people and cameras and all over social media.
Yes, and that's the perfect cover for inventing inflammatory statements that he did not make.
My goodness, now people are telling me that JD Vance had carnal relations with a couch! Use your brain.
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It seems conceivable that a third rate reporter working for a third rate magazine might take creative license, and by this I mean outright fabricate, in order to attempt to be relevant.
Of course it is conceivable, more than that there are plenty of examples of it. I wasn't challenging the idea that people or in this case unscrupulous journalists never make stuff up or amplify rumors as truth about Trump, I was challenging your assertion that "these inflammatory quotes are only ever heard by third rate reporters working for third rate magazines". The emphasis is of course mine, but the words are yours. Inflammatory quotes from Trump are not and so far as I can tell have never been only ever overheard by slinking fly-by-night journalists, a significant facet of the guy's whole deal is that he is a more or less unabashed inflammatory quote generator. There are plenty of people that love that he inflames the left with his quotes, That he makes off color and inflammatory remarks about his opponents and opposing ideas... it is what endears him to many people and energizes many others. Pretending that his very intentional courting of controversy and very public provocation is ONLY EVER the result of shady wanna be journalists falsely attributing fabricated quotes to him is to completely mischaracterize who he is and what he intentionally does and a huge part of why he is so popular.
Yes, and that's the perfect cover for inventing inflammatory statements that he did not make.
uh huh, therefore characterizing his inflammatory quotes as only ever being creations of people that want to lie about him makes no sense whatsoever.
My goodness, now people are telling me that JD Vance had carnal relations with a couch! Use your brain.
I...I....I think this is indicative of our apparent desire to create and consume the sensational, salacious and inflammatory rather than consider or much less address the boring, important and difficult things. I think this in some ways exemplifies why Donald Trump's style of being over the top, hyperbolic and inflammatory plays so well for many folks, because we can't get enough of it and plenty of folks do not seem to care whether it is true or not just that it inflames and excites. It is embarrassing that many of us are taken in by these "exciting" lies, it is embarrassing that we pay them so much of our limited resource of attention and time. It is also embarrassing that this same wave of hedonistic desire is what Trump and many other politicians are surfing their way into office on while at the same time decrying the times some of the type garbage they have injected into the culture for their own benefit splashes back on them. What is most embarrassing though, at least to me, is that we all seem to want to blame someone else for creating, consuming and perpetuating this mess when it only lives and thrives because we absolutely want it to...the truth is that this only ever happened because we let it, we liked , we love it, we get to be the abuser and the victim whenever it suits us.
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Of course it is conceivable, more than that there are plenty of examples of it. I wasn't challenging the idea that people or in this case unscrupulous journalists never make stuff up or amplify rumors as truth about Trump, I was challenging your assertion that "these inflammatory quotes are only ever heard by third rate reporters working for third rate magazines".
Trump makes his outrageous statements in public, not in secret to reporters we've never heard of. Sorry, Charlie.
I...I....I think this is indicative of our apparent desire to create and consume the sensational
Which is, amazingly what this ridiculous quote from Trump is all about.
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Trump makes his outrageous statements in public, not in secret to reporters we've never heard of. Sorry, Charlie.
Was the original proposition even that he said those things to the reporters as opposed to just being overheard? Anyway, so to be clear, are you asserting that you believe that Trump has never said anything off the record or that was unintentionally overheard or captured that was inflammatory, outrageous or was otherwise a statement or utterance that he would not make in mixed company or a public setting, venue or medium? Look if all you are saying is that most of the outrageous stuff that Trump says are things that he would and does say publicly and privately without any shame whatsoever then I don't disagree. Again, the assertion by you was that "these inflammatory quotes are only ever heard by third rate reporters working for third rate magazines". If what you meant was that the unconfirmed and unconfirmable inflammatory quotes are only ever unconfirmed and unconfirmable, then you are just describing how rumors work and that is just as applicable to Donald Trump as it is any politician or pop star or kid you went to highschool with. However if you are suggesting that every inflammatory thing that Trump says are things that he would also state proudly and publicly, I'd say that even if you dismiss any example from the past that I would say exemplifies the lie of that assertion, I'd ask how the heck you could possibly know what that guy has said behind closed doors, but never repeated publicly....it is completely outside of your ability to know by its very nature. I get that you are irritated by the rumors and lies about Trump and others, but it seems to me that this is causing you to take a stance in opposition that does not have a logical foundation....which is as dangerous as the lies and rumors you oppose imo. Can you see any reason in what I'm saying, or like do I just seem like Oscar doing Oscar nonsense?
l[/quote] Which is, amazingly what this ridiculous quote from Trump is all about.
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Okay, I had hoped that I was clear that I understand and agree that this is not where our disagreement lies.
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Anyway, so to be clear, are you asserting that you believe that Trump has never said anything off the record or that was unintentionally overheard or captured that was inflammatory, outrageous or was otherwise a statement or utterance that he would not make in mixed company or a public setting, venue or medium?
Seeing about how he gleefully shoots his mouth off during his stream of consciousness campaign speeches, yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. I'm glad that you understand me.
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Have you guys noticed Harris talks like Trump?
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Anyway, so to be clear, are you asserting that you believe that Trump has never said anything off the record or that was unintentionally overheard or captured that was inflammatory, outrageous or was otherwise a statement or utterance that he would not make in mixed company or a public setting, venue or medium?
Seeing about how he gleefully shoots his mouth off during his stream of consciousness campaign speeches, yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. I'm glad that you understand me.
Well, okay yeah I get that. Makes about as much sense as buying into random unconfirmed supposedly overheard utterances that are attributed to him because they seem to align with the kind of inflammatory thing Trump he has said to me.
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Have you guys noticed Harris talks like Trump?
No, but I don't quite know what you mean either, please elaborate.
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Have you guys noticed Harris talks like Trump?
No, but I don't quite know what you mean either, please elaborate.
For example https://x.com/MrWinMarshall/status/1817470885013463385
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Have you guys noticed Harris talks like Trump?
No, but I don't quite know what you mean either, please elaborate.
For example https://x.com/MrWinMarshall/status/1817470885013463385
My stars! I cannot say that visually engage with a lot of Harris speaking vids or really any people-speaking vids at all (more of a single earbud while doing something else kind of guy), but that body language did strike me as very Trumpy. However, not being sure of myself, like do I know how Trump moves or do I know how people move when doing a Trump impression? Do I even know what? More importantly, do I know how Harris moves (no, certainly not?). So I checked out a bunch of videos of them and others speechifying....like too many...sound muted/unmuted A/B comparisons closed captions, 0.25x speed... Like some kind of unhinged Trump-vestigator weirdo. Honestly my conclusion is that everyone is AI generated or I have some form of agnosia (not surprising at all really). All that to say, this whole endeavor has shaken me to the core, and i'm going back single earbudding everything as I'm not equipped to confront this aspect of reality or myself.
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https://x.com/KevinRobertsTX/status/1817964244500930730
For context, she said what she said 3 years ago and the subject is illegal immigration.
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Have you guys noticed Harris talks like Trump?
Yeah, they're both verbose and tend to ramble, using 50 words to express what can easily be conveyed in 10. Both also frequently repeat the same thought several times.
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Have you guys noticed Harris talks like Trump?
No, but I don't quite know what you mean either, please elaborate.
For example https://x.com/MrWinMarshall/status/1817470885013463385
My stars! I cannot say that visually engage with a lot of Harris speaking vids or really any people-speaking vids at all (more of a single earbud while doing something else kind of guy), but that body language did strike me as very Trumpy. However, not being sure of myself, like do I know how Trump moves or do I know how people move when doing a Trump impression? Do I even know what? More importantly, do I know how Harris moves (no, certainly not?). So I checked out a bunch of videos of them and others speechifying....like too many...sound muted/unmuted A/B comparisons closed captions, 0.25x speed... Like some kind of unhinged Trump-vestigator weirdo. Honestly my conclusion is that everyone is AI generated or I have some form of agnosia (not surprising at all really). All that to say, this whole endeavor has shaken me to the core, and i'm going back single earbudding everything as I'm not equipped to confront this aspect of reality or myself.
Take the red pill.
:)