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Bible Talk => Theology => Topic started by: Betho on October 21, 2023, 11:37:01 PM
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The question of whether the law can give life is a complex theological issue, and different parts of the Bible seem to present various perspectives on this matter.
1. Ezekiel's Justice: In the Old Testament, particularly in the book of Ezekiel, there are references to justice associated with obedience to God's statutes and the observance of His rules. However, it is essential to recognize that this justice is within the context of the Mosaic Law. Within this framework, justice could be achieved through the fulfillment of the commandments and regulations of the Law. While it can bring a form of justice, it does not necessarily grant eternal life.
2. Transformation of Job: Although Job was initially considered a righteous man in the Old Testament, his story also illustrates a deeper spiritual journey. He was proud of his self-righteousness, thinking that his obedience to the law made him blameless. But as the story unfolds, he comes to understand that justice is not limited to legalistic obedience but involves a deeper relationship with God. His understanding evolves, and he recognizes his limitations. The law, as seen in Job's case, does not grant life in the ultimate sense.
3. Paul's Perspective: The writings of the Apostle Paul are fundamental to understanding the relationship between justice and the law. He argues that, while there is a form of justice found in the law, it is not sufficient for the salvation and eternal life of all. In passages like Philippians 2:15, 3:6, 3:9, and 1 Thessalonians 3:13, Paul discusses the concept of "blamelessness" in the context of the law. He himself was a zealous Pharisee who believed in the righteousness of the law, as he states in Philippians 3:6. However, he recognizes the limitations of the law and that true justice is found in faith in Christ. In Galatians 2:21, he emphasizes that God's grace would be nullified if justice were entirely achievable through the law, implying that the law, while sufficient to lead some to a form of justice, is imperfect when it comes to bringing all of humanity to perfect righteousness and eternal life.
4. Jesus' Encounter with the Rich Young Ruler: The story of the rich young ruler in the Gospels illustrates the idea that mere observance of the law may not be enough for something beyond eternal life. Jesus challenges the rich young ruler to go beyond legalistic observance of the law and to give up his worldly possessions to follow Him and attain, beyond eternal life through obedience to the law's justice, treasure in heaven. This demonstrates that a higher level of commitment is required than merely following the law to achieve a reward. It suggests that the law, while valuable, cannot, by itself, grant life in its fullest sense.
5. New Covenant: The concept of a New Covenant is also crucial for understanding the shift in perspective. Hebrews 8:7 highlights that the first covenant was not without flaws, leading to the need for a new covenant. The New Covenant, according to Christian theology, is based on faith in the atonement of Christ rather than strict adherence to the Mosaic Law. It signifies a shift away from the idea that the law alone can grant life.
Can the law grant eternal life?
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It isn’t complicated at all.
No
The Law cannot give eternal life and was not designed to do so
Faith has always been the means of salvation, predating the Law
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Apart from the incident with the rich young ruler, can you point to any part of the four gospels where Jesus is asked how to obtain eternal life?
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Apart from the incident with the rich young ruler, can you point to any part of the four gospels where Jesus is asked how to obtain eternal life?
John 3 is a great place to learn about eternal life.
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Which part of John 3 shows a person asking Jesus how to obtain eternal life?
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Which part of John 3 shows a person asking Jesus how to obtain eternal life?
The whole chapter concerns teaching and based on what Jesus is teaching, we know Nic has inquired about eternal life. Nic didn't talk about religion or politics of the times, he focused on what Jesus and His ministry is all about = faith/belief and eternal life. The miracles were the evidence Nic held to as proof that Jesus wasn't any con artist/charlatan. Nic believed that Jesus came from God. It's here that we (Nic) first learns of being "born-again."
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The bronze serpent, mentioned in the Old Testament, specifically in the book of Numbers, chapter 21, verses 4-9, represented a symbol of healing and liberation. The story describes how the Israelites, while in the wilderness, began to complain and murmur against God and Moses due to the difficulties they were facing, including being bitten by venomous snakes.
According to the narrative, God instructed Moses to make a bronze serpent and raise it on a pole. He told the people that if anyone was bitten by a venomous snake, they could look at the bronze serpent and would be healed. The act of looking at the bronze serpent was an act of faith and obedience to God's instructions, and healing was granted as a result.
The bronze serpent, therefore, was an object of veneration, a symbol of faith and trust in divine intervention for healing and liberation. In the context of John 3:14-15, Jesus was using this story as an analogy to illustrate that, in the same way, He would be "lifted up" (a reference to His crucifixion), and those who looked to Him in faith would be spiritually healed and receive full and eternal life, just as it was done in the time of Moses. Therefore, the bronze serpent in Moses' story was a symbol of healing and salvation.
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John 3 is a great place to learn about eternal life.
Jesus explained about being born again and entering the Kingdom of Heaven to attain Eternal Life. This is not the same path to attaining eternal life through the Law.
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The only part of the John 3 narrative where Nicodemus asks a question is when he enquires as to what 'born again' means.
He does not ask how to obtain eternal life, regardless of what Jesus says in this section.
The only place in the four gospels where I can find a person actually asking Jesus how to obtain eternal life is the section with the rich young ruler.
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Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
For God So Loved the World
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
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And if he had said that to the rich young ruler, it would have been significant.
However, he didn't and he said something quite different.
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The only part of the John 3 narrative where Nicodemus asks a question is when he enquires as to what 'born again' means.
He does not ask how to obtain eternal life, regardless of what Jesus says in this section.
The only place in the four gospels where I can find a person actually asking Jesus how to obtain eternal life is the section with the rich young ruler.
Is there a point?
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And if he had said that to the rich young ruler, it would have been significant.
However, he didn't and he said something quite different.
What about the rest of scripture?
Everyone does know that the gospel writers did not write down every word Jesus said or on which occasions he farted.
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Jesus did not refer the rich young ruler to the rest of scripture.
He gave a fully understandable answer to a fully understandable question.
What the Christians are saying, with the exception of groups like the Franciscans, is that his answer was false.
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John 3 is a great place to learn about eternal life.
Jesus explained about being born again and entering the Kingdom of Heaven to attain Eternal Life. This is not the same path to attaining eternal life through the Law.
The Law is not a path to eternal life. The Law helps to inform man (first the Israelis), about sin (how it kills eternally/separates man from God) so that "by faith" those who believed in God, can have eternal life.
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Jesus did not refer the rich young ruler to the rest of scripture.
He gave a fully understandable answer to a fully understandable question.
What the Christians are saying, with the exception of groups like the Franciscans, is that his answer was false.
No they aren’t
Jesus did t answer his question because Jesus knew the man was a slave to stuff and that his religious keeping of part of the law was his idol.
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And if he had said that to the rich young ruler, it would have been significant.
However, he didn't and he said something quite different.
The Gospels are not a bunch of isolated facts where one part is different from another part. The Gospel, which is detailed over four books, is a single whole teaching (full context). Meaning, instead of setting what is learned on one day of Jesus' ministry, apart from or against another day of teachings, one must study to find how they compliment each other and result in a contextual understanding of "The Gospel."
IOWs, what did Jesus teach about eternal life over 3.5 years of teaching? What He taught about the rich young ruler does not counter what He taught to Nic. Each teaching and the many more teachings found throughout four books (The Gospels) during 3.5 years of teaching, all come to a single understanding concerning eternal life.
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Jesus did not refer the rich young ruler to the rest of scripture.
When a kid asks if it is allowed to squeeze the cat and you say no, should you also tell the kid it is not allowed to kick the dog?
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Can the law grant eternal life?
Kind of a strange question.
The bible's laws are terms of a covenant between God and the Jewish people. No place in the Pentateuch does God promise "eternal life" for following them, or indeed, discuss "eternal life" at all.
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The fact that Jesus's instructions to the rich young ruler are not the same as the instructions Christians believe he gives to others is a problem for the Christians. It does not change the fact that Jesus clearly describes a set of instructions for obtaining eternal life to a person who has asked for one.
Those instructions were:
Keep the commandments.
Sell all your possessions.
Give the resultant proceeds to the poor.
Easy to understand? Yes.
Difficult to do? Yes.
Impossible to do? No.
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The fact that Jesus's instructions to the rich young ruler are not the same as the instructions Christians believe he gives to others is a problem for the Christians. It does not change the fact that Jesus clearly describes a set of instructions for obtaining eternal life to a person who has asked for one.
Those instructions were:
Keep the commandments.
Sell all your possessions.
Give the resultant proceeds to the poor.
Easy to understand? Yes.
Difficult to do? Yes.
Impossible to do? No.
I emphasize that the "cherry on top" is the context of Jesus' encounter with the Rich Young Ruler described in the article. It is true that Jesus also discussed the topic of Eternal Life with another Jew, Nicodemus; however, this encounter was outside the context of the Law. In John 3, Jesus explained about being born again and entering the Kingdom of Heaven to attain Eternal Life. This is not the same path to attaining eternal life through the Law.
Furthermore, the article also mentions the bronze serpent, found in the Old Testament, specifically in the book of Numbers, chapter 21, verses 4-9. It represented a symbol of healing and liberation. The story describes how the Israelites, while in the wilderness, began to complain and murmur against God and Moses due to the hardships they were facing, including being bitten by venomous snakes.
According to the narrative, God instructed Moses to make a bronze serpent and place it on a pole. He told the people that if anyone was bitten by a venomous snake, they could look at the bronze serpent and be healed. Looking at the bronze serpent was an act of faith and obedience to God's instructions, and as a result, healing was granted.
The bronze serpent, therefore, was an object of veneration, a symbol of faith and trust in divine intervention for healing and liberation. In the context of John 3:14-15, Jesus was using this story as an analogy to illustrate that, in the same way, He would be "lifted up" (a reference to His crucifixion), and those who looked to Him in faith would be spiritually healed and receive full and eternal life, just as was done in the time of Moses. Therefore, the bronze serpent in Moses' story was a symbol of healing and salvation.
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Can the law grant eternal life?
Kind of a strange question.
The bible's laws are terms of a covenant between God and the Jewish people. No place in the Pentateuch does God promise "eternal life" for following them, or indeed, discuss "eternal life" at all.
And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. Mattews 19:16-17 KJV
In this verse, Jesus is responding to someone who inquires about how to attain eternal life. Jesus indicates that the key to eternal life is the observance of God's commandments. Therefore, according to this verse, obedience to the commandments is seen as important in the pursuit of eternal life. However, Jesus offered the option of perfection and reward to the rich young man, while the path with Nicodemus is to "be born again" and enter the Kingdom of God to achieve eternal life, which is the main theme of the Gospels. One does not negate the other. While the first deals with eternal life for the circumcised descendants of Abraham, the other deals with making non-circumcised individuals also children of God.
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How many of you are there that keep coming here and posting Johnny One-Note.
Or do you keep just making up new accounts like we are dense?
Have you sold everything you own? Clearly not, unless you are using a public access computer to post this.
Bigger question. Two in fact.
1. Do you believe that Jesus Christ is God himself, deity, eternally existent and co-existent with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit for all eternity?
2. Do you believe that the entirety of the New Testament and Old Testament writings are equally valid and powerful and truth of very truth, not just the words of Jesus recorded in the Gospels?
3. Since you have violated at least one of the Ten Commandments (unless you claim that you haven't), on what are you relying for forgiveness for your sins?
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The fact that Jesus's instructions to the rich young ruler are not the same as the instructions Christians believe he gives to others is a problem for the Christians. It does not change the fact that Jesus clearly describes a set of instructions for obtaining eternal life to a person who has asked for one.
Those instructions were:
Keep the commandments.
Sell all your possessions.
Give the resultant proceeds to the poor.
Easy to understand? Yes.
Difficult to do? Yes.
Impossible to do? No.
An extraordinarily simplistic view of Scripture.
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The fact that Jesus's instructions to the rich young ruler are not the same as the instructions Christians believe he gives to others is a problem for the Christians. It does not change the fact that Jesus clearly describes a set of instructions for obtaining eternal life to a person who has asked for one.
Those instructions were:
Keep the commandments.
Sell all your possessions.
Give the resultant proceeds to the poor.
Easy to understand? Yes.
Difficult to do? Yes.
Impossible to do? No.
There is no problem.
Will the rich young ruler have eternal life when he squeezes cats, kick dogs, watching porno, etc?
Another example for Matt 25 -
The Final Judgment
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 36 I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ 37 Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? 38 And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? 39 And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ 40 And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers,6 you did it to me.’
41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ 44 Then they also will answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’ 45 Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ 46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
Looks different than the young rich ruler, but isn't. It's and/and not or/or.
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What a number of the Christians here fail to notice is that, when Jesus of Nazareth was alive and doing what he believed was his public ministry, there was no such thing as the gospels or the rest of the New Testament. What would the rich young ruler have cross-referenced anything with, even if he had been instructed to?
Jesus could always have said something along the lines of 'There's no way you could possibly have kept all of the commandments', but he didn't.
Here is an example of a person being given, if this part of the gospel account is historically accurate (it is not necessarily so), a clear and unambiguous set of instructions. To call them anything else has serious ramifications when it comes to how much meaning there is in any other words Jesus is alleged to have said while he was alive, including the sayings that most agree are historically accurate.
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And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? [there is] none good but one, [that is], God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. Mattews 19:16-17 KJV
In this verse, Jesus is responding to someone who inquires about how to attain eternal life.
Again, the Pentateuch does not mention "eternal life" at all. The laws are kept as part of a covenant between Israel and God.
While the first deals with eternal life for the circumcised descendants of Abraham
Again, no place is "eternal life" promised. And it's not all of Abraham's descendants that are obligated to keep the law as part of a covenant with God. It's only his descendants via his grandson, Jacob.
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What a number of the Christians here fail to notice is that, when Jesus of Nazareth was alive and doing what he believed was his public ministry, there was no such thing as the gospels or the rest of the New Testament. What would the rich young ruler have cross-referenced anything with, even if he had been instructed to?
Jesus could always have said something along the lines of 'There's no way you could possibly have kept all of the commandments', but he didn't.
Here is an example of a person being given, if this part of the gospel account is historically accurate (it is not necessarily so), a clear and unambiguous set of instructions. To call them anything else has serious ramifications when it comes to how much meaning there is in any other words Jesus is alleged to have said while he was alive, including the sayings that most agree are historically accurate.
You assume a lot from silence. Jesus doesn’t say not to rape or behead people either
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Again, the Pentateuch does not mention "eternal life" at all. The laws are kept as part of a covenant between Israel and God.
The concept of eternal life is found in Daniel 12:2, so it would be appropriate for a zealous follower of the Jewish commandments to inquire of Jesus about how to attain eternal life.
Again, no place is "eternal life" promised. And it's not all of Abraham's descendants that are obligated to keep the law as part of a covenant with God. It's only his descendants via his grandson, Jacob.
It is true that the concept of Eternal Life, initially associated with humanity in Genesis 3:22, appears to have been explicitly attributed to God alone, as seen in Deuteronomy 32:40. However, God's precepts remain an essential part of human life, as evidenced in Psalm 118:93.
In Genesis 3:22, the passage relates to the moment when humanity ate from the forbidden fruit, and God expressed concern about the possibility of humans also eating from the "tree of life" and living forever. This initial association with Eternal Life was linked to humans, but the continuation of the biblical narrative indicates that this condition was revoked for humanity.
Deuteronomy 32:40, on the other hand, reaffirms God's absolute control over life and death, emphasizing His sovereignty and authority over eternal destiny. This passage underscores the uniqueness of Eternal Life in relation to God.
However, God's precepts, as mentioned in Psalm 118:93, continue to serve as spiritual and ethical guidelines that steer people's lives. While the ability to live eternally may be exclusive to God, obedience to God's precepts is seen as a path to a life that reflects God's will and draws individuals spiritually closer to the idea of Eternal Life.
So, while Eternal Life may be exclusive to God, obedience to God's precepts remains a crucial aspect of people's lives, connecting them with divine will and guidance.
"Like the dew of Hermon that descends upon the mountains of Zion, for there the Lord has commanded the blessing, life forever." Psalm 132:3
*** The universal assembly (ἐκκλησία καθ᾽ ὅλης - Acts 9:31) throughout Judea was mostly made up of circumcised individuals.
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What does circumcision have to do with anything?
What is your evidence for your statement about the makeup of the ekklesia? At what point in history?
Circumcised but I’m not Jewish…. Do I count?
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What does circumcision have to do with anything?
What is your evidence for your statement about the makeup of the ekklesia? At what point in history?
Circumcised but I’m not Jewish…. Do I count?
And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. Genesis 26:4-5 KJV
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What does circumcision have to do with anything?
What is your evidence for your statement about the makeup of the ekklesia? At what point in history?
Circumcised but I’m not Jewish…. Do I count?
And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. Genesis 26:4-5 KJV
I’m not Jewish
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The concept of eternal life is found in Daniel 12:2,
For the third time, the Pentateuch, which has the actual laws that are to be followed, does not mention "eternal life" at all. It does mention rewards for obedience and punishments for disobedience, none of which mention "eternal life" either. Keep going.
Daniel 12:2 tells us nothing. It's like Ezekiel 37 vision of the valley of dry bones.
"Like the dew of Hermon that descends upon the mountains of Zion, for there the Lord has commanded the blessing, life forever." Psalm 132:3
This is a poem. Are you really inventing theology from a poem?
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For the third time, the Pentateuch, which has the actual laws that are to be followed, does not mention "eternal life" at all. It does mention rewards for obedience and punishments for disobedience, none of which mention "eternal life" either. Keep going.
Nevertheless you believe in purgatory.
https://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/12446-purgatory
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This is a poem. Are you really inventing theology from a poem?
"A song that is said about the depths of the waters of the Lord; my heart did not exalt itself, and my eyes did not lift up, and I did not walk in great and wondrous things beyond me. I did not lay my hand on hidden things, and my soul is tranquil until the precepts of the Law are fulfilled. Thus, Israel will lead to the Lord, from now until eternity." - Targum Ketuvim Tehillim 131
The phrase "Israel will lead to the Lord, from now until eternity" could be interpreted as a poetic expression that suggests that the people of Israel are in a constant spiritual journey toward God and eternity. It is not a direct quotation, but it reflects the aspiration of the Jewish community to follow divine precepts and find their way toward eternity, aligning with the concept of resurrection and the pursuit of eternal life as discussed in Daniel 12:2.
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Nevertheless you believe in purgatory.
I believe in the afterlife too, but it isn't in the bible and it isn't promised as a reward for following the law.
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This is a poem. Are you really inventing theology from a poem?
"A song that is said about the depths of the waters of the Lord; my heart did not exalt itself, and my eyes did not lift up, and I did not walk in great and wondrous things beyond me. I did not lay my hand on hidden things, and my soul is tranquil until the precepts of the Law are fulfilled. Thus, Israel will lead to the Lord, from now until eternity." - Targum Ketuvim Tehillim 131
The phrase "Israel will lead to the Lord, from now until eternity" could be interpreted as a poetic expression that suggests that the people of Israel are in a constant spiritual journey toward God and eternity. It is not a direct quotation, but it reflects the aspiration of the Jewish community to follow divine precepts and find their way toward eternity, aligning with the concept of resurrection and the pursuit of eternal life as discussed in Daniel 12:2.
So, not content to draw theology from a poem, you know head even further into the weeds of obscure references...
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I don't know if this has been mentioned; but I thought that I would bring up this scripture:
Gal 3:21, Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Gal 3:22, But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
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The only way a person can obtain everlasting life through the keeping of the law, works, obedience, or personal merits, is if they keep the whole law perfectly from conception into eternity (Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Matthew 5:48).
This is clearly impossible since we were all born with sin passed down to us through Adam. All have sinned and come short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23).
Therefore, the only way into the kingdom might be through faith in the shed blood of Jesus Christ (Romans 3:25; Romans 5:1, Romans 5:9).
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That quote from Romans 3 is only referring to Christians. Look at the end of the sentence from the epistle, which you didn't include.
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The only way a person can obtain everlasting life through the keeping of the law, works, obedience, or personal merits, is if they keep the whole law perfectly from conception into eternity (Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Matthew 5:48).
The Pentateuch, which contains the laws to be followed, never promises "everlasting life" as a reward, nor does it express the idea that anyone is expected to keep the laws perfectly either.
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The only way a person can obtain everlasting life through the keeping of the law, works, obedience, or personal merits, is if they keep the whole law perfectly from conception into eternity (Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Matthew 5:48).
The Pentateuch, which contains the laws to be followed, never promises "everlasting life" as a reward, nor does it express the idea that anyone is expected to keep the laws perfectly either.
However, that idea is expressed in the New Testament (Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Matthew 5:48).
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That quote from Romans 3 is only referring to Christians. Look at the end of the sentence from the epistle, which you didn't include.
Which quote (are you referring to something in my post)?
I referenced Romans 3:23 and Romans 3:25.
Or, maybe you are referring to the quote out of Galatians 3 in the post previous?
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Nevertheless you believe in purgatory.
I believe in the afterlife too, but it isn't in the bible and it isn't promised as a reward for following the law.
You are saying that the New Testament isn't a part of the Bible?
Clearly, the New Testament teaches us about the afterlife.
Jhn 3:16, For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
2Pe 1:13, Yea, I think it meet, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you up by putting you in remembrance;
2Pe 1:14, Knowing that shortly I must put off this my tabernacle, even as our Lord Jesus Christ hath shewed me.
2Pe 1:15, Moreover I will endeavour that ye may be able after my decease to have these things always in remembrance.
1Co 15:12, Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
1Co 15:13, But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
1Co 15:14, And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
1Co 15:15, Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
1Co 15:16, For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
1Co 15:17, And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
1Co 15:18, Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
1Co 15:19, If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
1Co 15:20, But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
1Co 15:21, For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
1Co 15:22, For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23, But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
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You are saying that the New Testament isn't a part of the Bible?
It is not part of my bible, as I am not a Christian.
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You are saying that the New Testament isn't a part of the Bible?
It is not part of my bible, as I am not a Christian.
Nevertheless it is a part of the Bible for those who are Christians.
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You are saying that the New Testament isn't a part of the Bible?
It is not part of my bible, as I am not a Christian.
Nevertheless it is a part of the Bible for those who are Christians.
Yes and you're banned.
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Yes and you're banned.
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