Can the law grant eternal life?

[Betho]

What does circumcision have to do with anything?

What is your evidence for your statement about the makeup of the ekklesia?  At what point in history?

 Circumcised but I’m not Jewish…. Do I count?

And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;  Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. Genesis 26:4-5 KJV

[RabbiKnife]

What does circumcision have to do with anything?

What is your evidence for your statement about the makeup of the ekklesia?  At what point in history?

 Circumcised but I’m not Jewish…. Do I count?

And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed;  Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws. Genesis 26:4-5 KJV

I’m not Jewish

[Fenris]

The concept of eternal life is found in Daniel 12:2,

For the third time, the Pentateuch, which has the actual laws that are to be followed, does not mention "eternal life" at all. It does mention rewards for obedience and punishments for disobedience, none of which mention "eternal life" either. Keep going.


Daniel 12:2 tells us nothing. It's like Ezekiel 37 vision of the valley of dry bones.

"Like the dew of Hermon that descends upon the mountains of Zion, for there the Lord has commanded the blessing, life forever." Psalm 132:3

This is a poem. Are you really inventing theology from a poem?

[ProDeo]

For the third time, the Pentateuch, which has the actual laws that are to be followed, does not mention "eternal life" at all. It does mention rewards for obedience and punishments for disobedience, none of which mention "eternal life" either. Keep going.

Nevertheless you believe in purgatory.

https://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/12446-purgatory

[Betho]

This is a poem. Are you really inventing theology from a poem?

"A song that is said about the depths of the waters of the Lord; my heart did not exalt itself, and my eyes did not lift up, and I did not walk in great and wondrous things beyond me. I did not lay my hand on hidden things, and my soul is tranquil until the precepts of the Law are fulfilled. Thus, Israel will lead to the Lord, from now until eternity." -  Targum Ketuvim Tehillim 131

The phrase "Israel will lead to the Lord, from now until eternity" could be interpreted as a poetic expression that suggests that the people of Israel are in a constant spiritual journey toward God and eternity. It is not a direct quotation, but it reflects the aspiration of the Jewish community to follow divine precepts and find their way toward eternity, aligning with the concept of resurrection and the pursuit of eternal life as discussed in Daniel 12:2.

[Fenris]

Nevertheless you believe in purgatory.

I believe in the afterlife too, but it isn't in the bible and it isn't promised as a reward for following the law.

[Fenris]

This is a poem. Are you really inventing theology from a poem?

"A song that is said about the depths of the waters of the Lord; my heart did not exalt itself, and my eyes did not lift up, and I did not walk in great and wondrous things beyond me. I did not lay my hand on hidden things, and my soul is tranquil until the precepts of the Law are fulfilled. Thus, Israel will lead to the Lord, from now until eternity." -  Targum Ketuvim Tehillim 131

The phrase "Israel will lead to the Lord, from now until eternity" could be interpreted as a poetic expression that suggests that the people of Israel are in a constant spiritual journey toward God and eternity. It is not a direct quotation, but it reflects the aspiration of the Jewish community to follow divine precepts and find their way toward eternity, aligning with the concept of resurrection and the pursuit of eternal life as discussed in Daniel 12:2.

So, not content to draw theology from a poem, you know head even further into the weeds of obscure references...

[Watchman of Naphtali]

I don't know if this has been mentioned; but I thought that I would bring up this scripture:

Gal 3:21, Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Gal 3:22, But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

[Watchman of Naphtali]

The only way a person can obtain everlasting life through the keeping of the law, works, obedience, or personal merits, is if they keep the whole law perfectly from conception into eternity (Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Matthew 5:48).

This is clearly impossible since we were all born with sin passed down to us through Adam.  All have sinned and come short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23).

Therefore, the only way into the kingdom might be through faith in the shed blood of Jesus Christ (Romans 3:25; Romans 5:1, Romans 5:9).

[DavidGYoung]

That quote from Romans 3 is only referring to Christians. Look at the end of the sentence from the epistle, which you didn't include.

[Fenris]

The only way a person can obtain everlasting life through the keeping of the law, works, obedience, or personal merits, is if they keep the whole law perfectly from conception into eternity (Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Matthew 5:48).

The Pentateuch, which contains the laws to be followed, never promises "everlasting life" as a reward, nor does it express the idea that anyone is expected to keep the laws perfectly either.

[Watchman of Naphtali]

The only way a person can obtain everlasting life through the keeping of the law, works, obedience, or personal merits, is if they keep the whole law perfectly from conception into eternity (Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Matthew 5:48).

The Pentateuch, which contains the laws to be followed, never promises "everlasting life" as a reward, nor does it express the idea that anyone is expected to keep the laws perfectly either.

However, that idea is expressed in the New Testament (Galatians 3:10, James 2:10, Matthew 5:48).

[Watchman of Naphtali]

That quote from Romans 3 is only referring to Christians. Look at the end of the sentence from the epistle, which you didn't include.

Which quote (are you referring to something in my post)?

I referenced Romans 3:23 and Romans 3:25.

Or, maybe you are referring to the quote out of Galatians 3 in the post previous?

[Watchman of Naphtali]

Nevertheless you believe in purgatory.

I believe in the afterlife too, but it isn't in the bible and it isn't promised as a reward for following the law.

You are saying that the New Testament isn't a part of the Bible?

Clearly, the New Testament teaches us about the afterlife.

Jhn 3:16, For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

2Pe 1:13, Yea, I think it meet, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you up by putting you in remembrance;
2Pe 1:14, Knowing that shortly I must put off this my tabernacle, even as our Lord Jesus Christ hath shewed me.
2Pe 1:15, Moreover I will endeavour that ye may be able after my decease to have these things always in remembrance.

1Co 15:12, Now if Christ be preached that he rose from the dead, how say some among you that there is no resurrection of the dead?
1Co 15:13, But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
1Co 15:14, And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
1Co 15:15, Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God; because we have testified of God that he raised up Christ: whom he raised not up, if so be that the dead rise not.
1Co 15:16, For if the dead rise not, then is not Christ raised:
1Co 15:17, And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
1Co 15:18, Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
1Co 15:19, If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
1Co 15:20, But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.
1Co 15:21, For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
1Co 15:22, For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23, But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

[Fenris]

You are saying that the New Testament isn't a part of the Bible?

It is not part of my bible, as I am not a Christian.