Understanding what Christ is doing in Heaven at this time.

[RabbiKnife]

And for the record, Isaiah 28 is NOT a recommendation or standard of incremental learning.

It is just the opposite… it is a condemnation of man’s approach showing that God will use man’s methods to punish man’s arrogance

The truth is the revelation of The Corner Stone.

[RabbiKnife]

Far from the text you started with

As the old adage says, 'be careful what you wish for' and asking to 'show your work' gets into many places in scriptures.

It can, but only after you've shown A from the immediate context of the work (e.g. 1 Peter) itself. As mentioned, the approach you've attempting here is eisegetical. If you think 1 Peter 4 is saying A, you must show that from 1 Peter before you appeal everywhere else to say, "See, these say A, therefore 1 Peter is saying A also!"

You can't actually do that though as you're covering for a doctrine you don't want to name.

Line upon line, precept upon precept, the Bible shows the truth. Now if you seek or look for what philosophies or debating forms are the best to use to win a point and display strategy over content, then have at it. But I tend to use the scriptures which those who hold to sola scriptura should not have a issue with..

We're asking you to correct your hermeneutic and actually give the exegetical approach you're claiming. So do that, or go somewhere else (and I'll help you do that).

You can begin with this and see if its correct... https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-interceding.html

Heavy sigh.

[Reddogs]

Far from the text you started with

As the old adage says, 'be careful what you wish for' and asking to 'show your work' gets into many places in scriptures.

It can, but only after you've shown A from the immediate context of the work (e.g. 1 Peter) itself. As mentioned, the approach you've attempting here is eisegetical. If you think 1 Peter 4 is saying A, you must show that from 1 Peter before you appeal everywhere else to say, "See, these say A, therefore 1 Peter is saying A also!"

You can't actually do that though as you're covering for a doctrine you don't want to name.

Line upon line, precept upon precept, the Bible shows the truth. Now if you seek or look for what philosophies or debating forms are the best to use to win a point and display strategy over content, then have at it. But I tend to use the scriptures which those who hold to sola scriptura should not have a issue with..

We're asking you to correct your hermeneutic and actually give the exegetical approach you're claiming. So do that, or go somewhere else (and I'll help you do that).

You can begin with this and see if its correct... https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-interceding.html

Heavy sigh.

Well, it is what Christians believe, now if you say that you cannot accept Christ, who is the cornerstone as Isaiah points out, and what He does, then what are you left with. Oral Tradition?

[RabbiKnife]

Obtuse.

[Athanasius]

We had fun, but now he's banned.

[IMINXTC]

A bizarre reading of 1 Pt 4:17 that puts believers on a path to the judgment seat.


Okay. I'll shut up..

[RabbiKnife]

A bizarre reading of 1 Pt 4:17 that puts believers on a path to the judgment seat.


Okay. I'll shut up..

Legalism is a great tool for controlling the unlearned but indoctrinated

Grace, on the other hand, is a very poor tool for controlling and manipulating folk.

[Athanasius]

He was attempting to push "Investigative Judgment", but he was trying to do it by misconstruing "judgment" / by equivocating over the term. Adventists posit 1 Peter 4:17 as one of the primary Scripture "evidences" for the doctrine. The doctrine itself is asinine (seriously, if you haven't read up on it before...), not least of all the bizarre temporal framing, i.e., Jesus had to start his judgment in October 1844 to have made His judgments before His return -- and He's been up to that ever since re: Daniel.

It would have been better if he just came out and argued for the doctrine rather than trying to "look, Christians and JWs both believe Jesus existed! gotquestions". But no.

[IMINXTC]

Like trying to put socks on a rooster

[shepherdsword]

Heb 9:27
It's appointed unto man once to die but AFTER this the judgement

[Fenris]

Legalism is a great tool for controlling the unlearned but indoctrinated

Yes and no. I mean, Judaism required universal literacy because everyone was obligated to study the law, and know the law, and teach it to their children. So Jews in the ancient world had a very high literacy rate. The only other civilization at the time with similar level of literacy was the Greeks.

[IMINXTC]

He was attempting to push "Investigative Judgment", but he was trying to do it by misconstruing "judgment" / by equivocating over the term. Adventists posit 1 Peter 4:17 as one of the primary Scripture "evidences" for the doctrine. The doctrine itself is asinine (seriously, if you haven't read up on it before...), not least of all the bizarre temporal framing, i.e., Jesus had to start his judgment in October 1844 to have made His judgments before His return -- and He's been up to that ever since re: Daniel.

It would have been better if he just came out and argued for the doctrine rather than trying to "look, Christians and JWs both believe Jesus existed! gotquestions". But no.

I seem to remember at least one lengthy discussion on the old .org site concerning SDA and it's more outstanding  teachings, not to mention it's obscure beginnings. Talks went on seemingly forever.


Many consider this denomination a valid member of orthodoxy, while many of us don''t.


A worthy topic for discussion, no doubt.

[RabbiKnife]

It brings up a truism I have begun stating with increasing frequency as the proliferation of aberrant theology spreads like a mold on an old lump of cheese…


“Those who are saved are saved in spite of our theology, not because of it”

[Athanasius]

I've been considering this more seriously, in part to avoid the neurotic descent of Kierkegaard's impossible standard:

In the 48 years since I was first ambushed by Jesus in a little chapel in the Allegheny Mountains of Western Pennsylvania, and in literally the thousands of hours of prayer, meditation, silence and solitude over those years, I am now utterly convinced that on Judgment Day, the Lord Jesus is going to ask each of us one question, and only one question:

Did you believe that I loved you? That I desired you? That I waited for you day after day? That I longed to hear the sound of your voice?

The real believers there will answer, “Yes, Jesus, I believed in your love, and I tried to shape my life as a response to it.”

But many of us who are so faithful in our ministry, in our practice, in our churchgoing are going to have to reply, “Well, frankly, no, sir. I mean, I never really believed it. I mean, I heard a wonderful lot of wonderful sermons and teachings about it. In fact, I gave quite a few myself. But I always thought that was just a way of speaking, a kindly lie, some Christian’s pious pat on the back to cheer me on.”

And there’s the difference between the real believers and the nominal Christians that abound in our churches across the land.

No one can measure like a believer the depth and the intensity of God’s love. But at the same time, no one can measure like a believer the effectiveness of our gloom, pessimism, low self-esteem, self-hatred and despair that block God’s way to us.

Do you see why it is so important to lay hold of this basic truth of our faith? Because you’re only going to be as big as your own concept of God.

Remember the famous line of the French philosopher Pascal: “God made man in his own image, and man returned the compliment.” We often make God in our own image. He has to be as fussy, rude, narrow-minded, legalistic, judgmental, unforgiving and unloving as we are.

In the past couple of three years, I have preached the Gospel to the financial community on Wall Street in New York City, the airmen and women with the Air Force Academy in Colorado Springs, a thousand physicians in [unclear], and I’ve been in churches in Bangor, Maine; Miami; Chicago; St. Louis; Seattle; San Diego.

And, honest to God, the God of so many Christians I meet is a God who is too small for me, because he is not the God of the Word. He is not the God revealed in Jesus Christ, who this moment comes right to your seat and says:

“I have a word for you. I know your whole life story. I know every skeleton in your closet. I know every moment of sin, shame, dishonesty and degraded love that has darkened your past. Right now, I know your shallow faith, your feeble prayer life, your inconsistent discipleship.

And my word is this:

I dare you to trust that I love you just as you are, and not as you should be, because you’re never going to be as you should be.

[RabbiKnife]

You're still a youngster... wait till you are in your 60's fighting the same old fights, carrying the same old burdens...

Manning's edict becomes more truerish every day...

Thanks for reminding me of that quote...