Understanding what Christ is doing in Heaven at this time.

[IMINXTC]

Likely not the best place to try to spam with Adventist confusion.


Just saying.

[Fenris]

So where does a Jew today hold they will go when they die/cease to live, if I may ask.

That's the wrong question.

Christianity holds than man needs God for "salvation". Other religions do not. They are not inferior for not offering "salvation", because they do not deem it necessary.

[Fenris]

As the old adage says, 'be careful what you wish for' and asking to 'show your work' gets into many places in scriptures.

Alas, none of it answering the questions asked.

[Reddogs]

So back on point, its clear the Bible teaches that all believers will one day stand before the judgment seat of Christ and every case decided. Either for the gift of eternal life, or to receive eternal death and they will perish. When any have sins remaining upon the books of record, unrepented of and unforgiven, their names will be blotted out of the book of life, and the record of their good deeds will be erased from the book of records being kept as we see.
Exodus 32:33
33 And the Lord said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

Malachi 3:16
16 Then they that feared the Lord spake often one to another: and the Lord hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the Lord, and that thought upon his name.

And here we see from Ezekiel where it shows what happens when a good man turns to sin..

Ezekiel 18:24
24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

[Reddogs]

So where does a Jew today hold they will go when they die/cease to live, if I may ask.

That's the wrong question.

Christianity holds than man needs God for "salvation". Other religions do not. They are not inferior for not offering "salvation", because they do not deem it necessary.

So a Jew just dies and goes to the grave and turns to dust, and thats the end of it. That is not what my in laws tell me, and they are not even Orthodox...

[Fenris]

So a Jew just dies and goes to the grave and turns to dust, and thats the end of it. That is not what my in laws tell me, and they are not even Orthodox...

You're not listening to anything I'm saying. I'm just going to start ignoring you. There's no point.

[IMINXTC]

So back on point, its clear the Bible teaches that all believers will one day stand before the judgment seat of Christ and every case decided. Either for the gift of eternal life, or to receive eternal death and they will perish. When any have sins remaining upon the books of record, unrepented of and unforgiven, their names will be blotted out of the book of life, and the record of their good deeds will be erased from the book of records being kept as we see.
Exodus 32:33
33 And the Lord said unto Moses, Whosoever hath sinned against me, him will I blot out of my book.

Malachi 3:16
16 Then they that feared the Lord spake often one to another: and the Lord hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the Lord, and that thought upon his name.

And here we see from Ezekiel where it shows what happens when a good man turns to sin..

Ezekiel 18:24
24 But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and committeth iniquity, and doeth according to all the abominations that the wicked man doeth, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die.

Two can play at this:

"There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit." Rm 8:1


"If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness." 1Jn 1:9


"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life." Jn 3:16


"Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified." Ga 2:16


Context?


"O foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you that you should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed among you as crucified?   This only I want to learn from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?   Are you so foolish? Having begun in the Spirit, are you now being made perfect by the flesh?" Ga 3: 1-3

To be continued... (?)

[Reddogs]

So a Jew just dies and goes to the grave and turns to dust, and thats the end of it. That is not what my in laws tell me, and they are not even Orthodox...

You're not listening to anything I'm saying. I'm just going to start ignoring you. There's no point.

Well here is what my in laws seem to hold happens at death. But I cant say they seem to be clear on it, and prefer not to even talk about it, which now as many are facing the end of life seems strange.

Here is from www.chabad.org
"Jews believe in an afterlife in a world beyond the one you’re currently living in—sometimes referred to as “heaven.” A rich tradition informs us that there is a sequel to this life that makes sense of everything you’re going through in this installment.

Jews call this after-life Olam Ha-ba (“World to Come”) and Gan Eden (“Garden of Eden”).

Belief in an afterlife is core to Judaism. It’s a foundation stone without which the entire structure would collapse....

That’s why we say kaddish for parents after their passing—to assist them on their journey to that lofty peak.

That’s also why we are so concerned with the details of burial—because the soul’s journey is deeply bound to its connection with the body to which it gave life. With this body, the soul performed acts of kindness. With this body, the soul delighted on the Shabbat. It was this body that the soul held back from non-kosher foods. This body prayed, studied, brought children into the world and raised them. From the sweat and toil of this body, the soul earned funds to distribute to those in need.

And that’s why everything we do in this lifetime matters so much, because all the good you do in the here-and-now has meaning for eternity....

The Mishnah is the original and most authoritative collection of Jewish law, redacted in the Roman Era. It states explicitly, “Every Jew has a share in the World To Come.”

Maimonides is considered the great codifier of Judaism. He distilled thirteen principles of the Jewish faith. Two of those are directly connected to belief in reward in an afterlife: The belief in reward for the righteous and punishment for the wicked—which quite obviously does not happen in this lifetime—and the belief in the revival of the dead in a time to come.2

Is it possible to keep all the other precepts of Judaism without expecting any sign of appreciation when done? Maimonides is saying that you would be missing something crucial and essential. And only the most naive could argue that all good people receive their reward in this world..."

Is this the common belief of most Jews or do the Orthodox believe different?

[Reddogs]

Now Christians believe that Christ is being their intercessor and advocate before God the Father in heaven, as we see here. https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-Advocate.html

Christ Himself declared who are worthy to be represented by Him and be resurrected at the Second Coming and be given their reward of eternal life as we see here.

Luke 20:35-36
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

Christ is our advocate before God because He serves as a mediator for believers and we see this concept in scripture which is rooted in 1 John 2:1

1 John 2
King James Version
2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

Christ pleads on behalf of believers in heaven, and those He finds true then offers His own blood to cover their sins as a atoning sacrifice. This intercession is not no just being our advocate but also a redemptive act, emphasizing His righteousness which allows Him tom like the lamb in the earthly sanctuary, pay for our sins.

This intercession is also seen here in this text....
Hebrews 7:25
25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

This clearly shows the nature of Christ's intercession for true believer or those who are in Christ. We find it in what Christians hold across the spectrum, here is from one on Christianity.com. https://www.christianity.com/wiki/jesus-christ/what-does-it-mean-that-jesus-is-our-advocate.html
 
“Even now, behold, my witness is in heaven, and my advocate is on high” (Job 16:19).

An advocate is someone who pleads another’s cause, who helps another by defending or comforting him. Scripture assures us that this is one of Christ’s roles in our life.

In another New Testament instance, the same Greek word (parakletos), is used to describe a Roman advocate (or lawyer) whom the Jews employed to accuse Paul before Felix. So, outside a spiritual context, the word functions as a person who performs tasks as a lawyer.

What Is an Advocate?
The word advocate is referred most often to those involved in the law, but we see the same principle apply to Jesus as our High Priest as well:

Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin. Therefore let us draw near with confidence to the throne of grace, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need (Hebrews 4:14-16).

The High Priest was in charge of making the special sacrifice on the Day of Atonement. To a Jew, the High Priest was essentially the ultimate lawyer, a spiritual lawyer, before God the Father."

So as you can see, this is a cornerstone in what Christians believe, not just Adventist....

[Athanasius]

Far from the text you started with

As the old adage says, 'be careful what you wish for' and asking to 'show your work' gets into many places in scriptures.

It can, but only after you've shown A from the immediate context of the work (e.g. 1 Peter) itself. As mentioned, the approach you've attempting here is eisegetical. If you think 1 Peter 4 is saying A, you must show that from 1 Peter before you appeal everywhere else to say, "See, these say A, therefore 1 Peter is saying A also!"

You can't actually do that though as you're covering for a doctrine you don't want to name.

[Reddogs]

Far from the text you started with

As the old adage says, 'be careful what you wish for' and asking to 'show your work' gets into many places in scriptures.

It can, but only after you've shown A from the immediate context of the work (e.g. 1 Peter) itself. As mentioned, the approach you've attempting here is eisegetical. If you think 1 Peter 4 is saying A, you must show that from 1 Peter before you appeal everywhere else to say, "See, these say A, therefore 1 Peter is saying A also!"

You can't actually do that though as you're covering for a doctrine you don't want to name.

Line upon line, precept upon precept, the Bible shows the truth. Now if you seek or look for what philosophies or debating forms are the best to use to win a point and display strategy over content, then have at it. But I tend to use the scriptures which those who hold to sola scriptura should not have a issue with.. 

[IMINXTC]

So back on point, its clear the Bible teaches that all believers will one day stand before the judgment seat of Christ and every case decided. Either for the gift of eternal life, or to receive eternal death and they will perish. When any have sins remaining upon the books of record, unrepented of and unforgiven, their names will be blotted out of the book of life, and the record of their good deeds will be erased from the book of records being kept as we see.

As RK pointed out, you have read into the scripture.

[Athanasius]

Now Christians believe that Christ is being their intercessor and advocate before God the Father in heaven, as we see here. https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-Advocate.html

Christ Himself declared who are worthy to be represented by Him and be resurrected at the Second Coming and be given their reward of eternal life as we see here.

Luke 20:35-36
35 But they which shall be accounted worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:
36 Neither can they die any more: for they are equal unto the angels; and are the children of God, being the children of the resurrection.

Christ is our advocate before God because He serves as a mediator for believers and we see this concept in scripture which is rooted in 1 John 2:1

1 John 2
King James Version
2 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

Christ pleads on behalf of believers in heaven, and those He finds true then offers His own blood to cover their sins as a atoning sacrifice. This intercession is not no just being our advocate but also a redemptive act, emphasizing His righteousness which allows Him tom like the lamb in the earthly sanctuary, pay for our sins.

This intercession is also seen here in this text....
Hebrews 7:25
25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.

This clearly shows the nature of Christ's intercession for true believer or those who are in Christ. We find it in what Christians hold across the spectrum, here is from one on Christianity.com. https://www.christianity.com/wiki/jesus-christ/what-does-it-mean-that-jesus-is-our-advocate.html
 
“Even now, behold, my witness is in heaven, and my advocate is on high” (Job 16:19).

An advocate is someone who pleads another’s cause, who helps another by defending or comforting him. Scripture assures us that this is one of Christ’s roles in our life.

In another New Testament instance, the same Greek word (parakletos), is used to describe a Roman advocate (or lawyer) whom the Jews employed to accuse Paul before Felix. So, outside a spiritual context, the word functions as a person who performs tasks as a lawyer.

What Is an Advocate?
The word advocate is referred most often to those involved in the law, but we see the same principle apply to Jesus as our High Priest as well:

Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin. Therefore let us draw near with confidence to the throne of grace, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need (Hebrews 4:14-16).

The High Priest was in charge of making the special sacrifice on the Day of Atonement. To a Jew, the High Priest was essentially the ultimate lawyer, a spiritual lawyer, before God the Father."

So as you can see, this is a cornerstone in what Christians believe, not just Adventist....

Your appeal to gotquestions is disingenuous -- and we're the wrong crowd if you think that's going to convince us. The JW strategy is old hat. For you aren't merely trying to show that A is "a corner of what Christians believe, not just Adventist". You're trying to sneak in the Adventist doctrine by misconstruing it as A.

Your next response is either going to be wholly centered on 1 Peter, or the thread is getting locked and your 'apologetic' comes to an end.

[Athanasius]

Far from the text you started with

As the old adage says, 'be careful what you wish for' and asking to 'show your work' gets into many places in scriptures.

It can, but only after you've shown A from the immediate context of the work (e.g. 1 Peter) itself. As mentioned, the approach you've attempting here is eisegetical. If you think 1 Peter 4 is saying A, you must show that from 1 Peter before you appeal everywhere else to say, "See, these say A, therefore 1 Peter is saying A also!"

You can't actually do that though as you're covering for a doctrine you don't want to name.

Line upon line, precept upon precept, the Bible shows the truth. Now if you seek or look for what philosophies or debating forms are the best to use to win a point and display strategy over content, then have at it. But I tend to use the scriptures which those who hold to sola scriptura should not have a issue with..

We're asking you to correct your hermeneutic and actually give the exegetical approach you're claiming. So do that, or go somewhere else (and I'll help you do that).

[Reddogs]

Far from the text you started with

As the old adage says, 'be careful what you wish for' and asking to 'show your work' gets into many places in scriptures.

It can, but only after you've shown A from the immediate context of the work (e.g. 1 Peter) itself. As mentioned, the approach you've attempting here is eisegetical. If you think 1 Peter 4 is saying A, you must show that from 1 Peter before you appeal everywhere else to say, "See, these say A, therefore 1 Peter is saying A also!"

You can't actually do that though as you're covering for a doctrine you don't want to name.

Line upon line, precept upon precept, the Bible shows the truth. Now if you seek or look for what philosophies or debating forms are the best to use to win a point and display strategy over content, then have at it. But I tend to use the scriptures which those who hold to sola scriptura should not have a issue with..

We're asking you to correct your hermeneutic and actually give the exegetical approach you're claiming. So do that, or go somewhere else (and I'll help you do that).

You can begin with this and see if its correct and as you say 'exegetical'... https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-interceding.html