What does Necromancy have to do in connection with the Gospel?

[BluePrints]

What does Necromancy have to do in connection with the Gospel?

A powerful resource on the subject can be read for free, here - https://archive.org/details/sincerely-dead-dying-to-know-jesus/mode/1up

In brief, if satan's statements, through the serpent, in Genesis are true, then the 'old man of sin' cannot ever die, and sin / sinners are immortalized eternally:

Gen 3:4  And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

However, since God's words are actually truth (Psa. 119:142,151; Jhn. 17:17), it was stated that the 'old man of sin' does indeed 'perish' and 'surely dies':

Gen 2:17  But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

This means, that attempting to engage in 'conversation' with the 'old man of sin' is Necromancy:

Those who adhere to 'immortal soul / spirit' theology, do not realize what they are saying / teaching by doing so, as they are actually 'seconding' or 'amening' the serpents ideology from the beginning, which is why the 'gospel' (Gal. 1:6-7) that they preach cannot truly deliver from sin, and ultimately immortalizes it in their theological position, and their adherents struggle all their lives in sin, never being able to be free from any sin, and must 'confess' over and over and over without any end, or hope in sight.

I pray people can see how the doctrine, on the state of the dead, on Necromancy, on the Everlasting Gospel itself, needs to have connection to the living "vine" (Jhn. 15;1,5), Jesus Christ, otherwise it / they has / have no life, no vitality, no power, to save, or deliver from anything, but are as branches withering, only to be burned up into smoke and ashes in the time to come.

I pray that these things are helpful to those who read and prayerfully consider (Pro. 18:13,17), before they comment.

[RabbiKnife]

What does Necromancy have to do in connection with the Gospel?

A powerful resource on the subject can be read for free, here - https://archive.org/details/sincerely-dead-dying-to-know-jesus/mode/1up

In brief, if satan's statements, through the serpent, in Genesis are true, then the 'old man of sin' cannot ever die, and sin / sinners are immortalized eternally:

Gen 3:4  And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

However, since God's words are actually truth (Psa. 119:142,151; Jhn. 17:17), it was stated that the 'old man of sin' does indeed 'perish' and 'surely dies':

Gen 2:17  But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

This means, that attempting to engage in 'conversation' with the 'old man of sin' is Necromancy:

Those who adhere to 'immortal soul / spirit' theology, do not realize what they are saying / teaching by doing so, as they are actually 'seconding' or 'amening' the serpents ideology from the beginning, which is why the 'gospel' (Gal. 1:6-7) that they preach cannot truly deliver from sin, and ultimately immortalizes it in their theological position, and their adherents struggle all their lives in sin, never being able to be free from any sin, and must 'confess' over and over and over without any end, or hope in sight.

I pray people can see how the doctrine, on the state of the dead, on Necromancy, on the Everlasting Gospel itself, needs to have connection to the living "vine" (Jhn. 15;1,5), Jesus Christ, otherwise it / they has / have no life, no vitality, no power, to save, or deliver from anything, but are as branches withering, only to be burned up into smoke and ashes in the time to come.

I pray that these things are helpful to those who read and prayerfully consider (Pro. 18:13,17), before they comment.

That is presupposition layers on presupposition with no regard for context or meanings on words

Here’s a better question

Who do you say that Kesus is!

[BluePrints]

That is presupposition layers on presupposition with no regard for context or meanings on words

Here’s a better question

Who do you say that Kesus is!

I had a reply already typed, but this forum logged me out and erased it all.  So, here is a second, shorter reply.

The resource gives the definitions from several primary sources, such as scripture, etymological sources, dictionaries, concordances and lexicons, and even historical uses.  So, I am not sure why you are saying the OP is presenting, "presupposition layers on presupposition with no regard for context or meanings on words".  As a for instance, on page 8, the resource gives:

"... QUESTION:  WHAT IS A SOUL (LIVING or DEAD)?

A “soul” (H5315, G5590; Lev. 22:11; Heb. 4:12) is a:

•   “life” (Gen. 9:5; Mat. 6:25; Luk. 9:56; Act. 15:26, 27:10; 1 Jhn. 3:16; Rev. 12:11, &c. KJB), or
•   “person/s” (Gen. 14:21; Num. 5:6, &c. KJB), or
•   “mind/s” (Gen. 23:8; Eze. 23:28; Php. 1:27; Heb. 12:3, &c. KJB), or
•   “will” (Deu. 21:14; Psa. 27:12, 41:2; Eze. 16:27 KJB), or
•   “heart/s” (Exo. 23:9; Hos. 4:8; Eph. 6:6, &c. KJB), or
•   “himself” / “themselves” (Lev. 11:43-44; 1 Kin. 19:4; Job 18:4; Jer. 37:9; Amo. 6:8, &c. KJB), or
•   “creature” (living) (Gen. 1:21,24; Lev. 11:46, &c. KJB), or
•   “dead” (creature) (Lev. 19:28, 21:1, 22:4; Num. 5:2, 6:11, 9:6-7,10 KJB), or
•   “man” (Lev. 24:16-17; 2 Kin. 12:4; Isa. 49:7 KJB), or
•   “beast” (Lev. 24:18 (x3) KJB).
•   It can also be defined generally as a ‘being’, or living (or dead) existence. ..."

Are you saying that that specifically is presupposition, or something else in the OP apart from the resource?  If so, can you more specifically identify what that is, as you see it, so I can respond accordingly to that?

I am not sure who "Kesus" is, but I do not who "Jesus" is, as He is life (Jhn. 14:6) in contrast to the last enemy, death (1 Cor. 15:26).  If it was simply a mistyping of "Jesus", that is understandable, and no offense is meant.  The gospel itself sepaks to the same by saying in summary:

Joh 3:16  For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 

"perish" is contrasted with "everlasting life".  Death or Life.

[RabbiKnife]

I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to communicate.

Except, it appears that you are promoting the annihilation of unredeemed humans as opposed to the historical orthodox belief that all humans exist forever after death, the redeemed in the presence of God and the unredeemed eternally separated from God.

If you are teaching the annihilation of the unsaved, then no one on this forum is interested in the slightest of having that conversation.

[teddyv]

I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to communicate.

Except, it appears that you are promoting the annihilation of unredeemed humans as opposed to the historical orthodox belief that all humans exist forever after death, the redeemed in the presence of God and the unredeemed eternally separated from God.

If you are teaching the annihilation of the unsaved, then no one on this forum is interested in the slightest of having that conversation.

I support annihilationism because ECT is madness, but I don't really need to discuss it.

[RabbiKnife]

I have absolutely no idea what you are trying to communicate.

Except, it appears that you are promoting the annihilation of unredeemed humans as opposed to the historical orthodox belief that all humans exist forever after death, the redeemed in the presence of God and the unredeemed eternally separated from God.

If you are teaching the annihilation of the unsaved, then no one on this forum is interested in the slightest of having that conversation.

I support annihilationism because ECT is madness, but I don't really need to discuss it.

ECT is no less offensive than eternal life…

ETC is an performative term for eternal separation.  Which is biblical

[Athanasius]

I think I'm a modified ECT, where the torment isn't active but subtractive. The individual given exactly what they want: themselves, outwith God. But I need to think about it more.

[RabbiKnife]

I think I'm a modified ECT, where the torment isn't active but subtractive. The individual given exactly what they want: themselves, outwith God. But I need to think about it more.

That’s exactly where I am
What could be worse than spending eternity with myself alone

[tango]

I think I'm a modified ECT, where the torment isn't active but subtractive. The individual given exactly what they want: themselves, outwith God. But I need to think about it more.

That’s exactly where I am
What could be worse than spending eternity with myself alone

Spending eternity by yourself with a Justin Bieber track playing on repeat?

[RabbiKnife]

I think I'm a modified ECT, where the torment isn't active but subtractive. The individual given exactly what they want: themselves, outwith God. But I need to think about it more.

That’s exactly where I am
What could be worse than spending eternity with myself alone

Spending eternity by yourself with a Justin Bieber track playing on repeat?

Now you’re back to the torment part….

[Fenris]

I played the necromancer class in Diablo 2. I had an army of skeletons and a golem fighting for me. Plus resurrected monsters. Great fun!

[ProDeo]

I think I'm a modified ECT, where the torment isn't active but subtractive. The individual given exactly what they want: themselves, outwith God. But I need to think about it more.

There is support for that, about the city of light :

Rev 22:14 Blessed are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the tree of life and that they may enter the city by the gates.

Rev 22:15 Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and the sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

Sounds as outer darkness, gnashing of teeth because they can't stand the light (of the city) and what it represents, holiness.