Is Total Victory over Sin Possible?

[RabbiKnife]

And yet, God made man imperfect, so why would God expect perfection?

If God mad man imperfect, why the big deal over eating the from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? Why would God have even bothered to tell Adam that particular tree was off limits?

Are you saying it is really God's fault we sin, if Adam and Eve were indeed created imperfect?

I guess that depends on what is meant by “perfect” or “imperfect”

[Fenris]

The only ones that offend are those that rely on their own righteousnes

Who relies on their own righteousness?

[Fenris]

Are you saying it is really God's fault we sin, if Adam and Eve were indeed created imperfect?

God gave humanity free will. What humanity chooses to do with this free will is on them. There are those who ask "During the Holocaust, where was God?" But the question really should be, "During the Holocaust, where was man?"

If God mad man imperfect, why the big deal over eating the from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? Why would God have even bothered to tell Adam that particular tree was off limits?

If God made man imperfect, why bother even telling humanity to behave morally?

[quiet dove]

Are you saying it is really God's fault we sin, if Adam and Eve were indeed created imperfect?

God gave humanity free will. What humanity chooses to do with this free will is on them. There are those who ask "During the Holocaust, where was God?" But the question really should be, "During the Holocaust, where was man?"

If God mad man imperfect, why the big deal over eating the from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? Why would God have even bothered to tell Adam that particular tree was off limits?

If God made man imperfect, why bother even telling humanity to behave morally?

I agree that God created man with free will and what they choose, or we choose, to do with it is on them/us. But I believe God created man in sinlessness, or innocent. Created with free will and they could choose to believe Him and thus be obedient following His will, or they could believe another and eat the forbidden fruit. And when they did, they lost their innocence. And we are all Adams decedents. He and Eve produced like kind, just like it says in Genesis about all that God created. Each human being a choice, each one having been created with free will. We can choose to believe God our creator, or we can believe another.

The holocaust shows how absolutely evil a human being can be. There is no understanding the depths of the evil. Not unless someone is that evil themselves. I believe Occult beliefs and practices were involved and thus influenced to even deeper depths of evil. The Devil and all the fallen angels hate mankind but they particularly hate the Jewish people. If they can destroy Israel they think they can thwart God's plans. Since God called Abraham and through Abraham the nation of Israel was born, Satan has been trying to destroy Israel from the start. Even before that. Thats what I believe.

But I am probably off topic. My apologies to the OP.

My hope, joy, and sanity in this world, is knowing that by grace alone, by faith alone, in Christ alone,...someday this miserable, imperfect struggling, weak, sinner, will be resurrected in perfection. God just asked me to believe Him, and He took it from there. I know I can't do it, thats a fact.

[quiet dove]

And yet, God made man imperfect, so why would God expect perfection?

If God mad man imperfect, why the big deal over eating the from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? Why would God have even bothered to tell Adam that particular tree was off limits?

Are you saying it is really God's fault we sin, if Adam and Eve were indeed created imperfect?

I guess that depends on what is meant by “perfect” or “imperfect”

Innocent probably is a better way of putting what I was thinking than perfect. They didn't know sin as they were created but they were clearly capable with free will to choose it

[Fenris]

I agree that God created man with free will and what they choose, or we choose, to do with it is on them/us. But I believe God created man in sinlessness, or innocent.

So far so good.

Created with free will and they could choose to believe Him and thus be obedient following His will, or they could believe another and eat the forbidden fruit. And when they did, they lost their innocence. And we are all Adams decedents. He and Eve produced like kind, just like it says in Genesis about all that God created. Each human being a choice, each one having been created with free will. We can choose to believe God our creator, or we can believe another.

I don't have a problem with that.

The holocaust shows how absolutely evil a human being can be. There is no understanding the depths of the evil. Not unless someone is that evil themselves. I believe Occult beliefs and practices were involved and thus influenced to even deeper depths of evil. The Devil and all the fallen angels hate mankind but they particularly hate the Jewish people. If they can destroy Israel they think they can thwart God's plans. Since God called Abraham and through Abraham the nation of Israel was born, Satan has been trying to destroy Israel from the start. Even before that. Thats what I believe.

Interesting.

My hope, joy, and sanity in this world, is knowing that by grace alone, by faith alone, in Christ alone,...someday this miserable, imperfect struggling, weak, sinner, will be resurrected in perfection. God just asked me to believe Him, and He took it from there. I know I can't do it, thats a fact.

I don't think that faith in God is a bad thing. It's a very good thing. However, I am not a Christian and I don't believe that faith alone is sufficient. Every person still has free will and has to make the right choices. That's why humanity was created in the first place.

[Reddogs]

Are you saying it is really God's fault we sin, if Adam and Eve were indeed created imperfect?

God gave humanity free will. What humanity chooses to do with this free will is on them. There are those who ask "During the Holocaust, where was God?" But the question really should be, "During the Holocaust, where was man?"

If God mad man imperfect, why the big deal over eating the from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? Why would God have even bothered to tell Adam that particular tree was off limits?

If God made man imperfect, why bother even telling humanity to behave morally?

I agree that God created man with free will and what they choose, or we choose, to do with it is on them/us. But I believe God created man in sinlessness, or innocent. Created with free will and they could choose to believe Him and thus be obedient following His will, or they could believe another and eat the forbidden fruit. And when they did, they lost their innocence. And we are all Adams decedents. He and Eve produced like kind, just like it says in Genesis about all that God created. Each human being a choice, each one having been created with free will. We can choose to believe God our creator, or we can believe another.

The holocaust shows how absolutely evil a human being can be. There is no understanding the depths of the evil. Not unless someone is that evil themselves. I believe Occult beliefs and practices were involved and thus influenced to even deeper depths of evil. The Devil and all the fallen angels hate mankind but they particularly hate the Jewish people. If they can destroy Israel they think they can thwart God's plans. Since God called Abraham and through Abraham the nation of Israel was born, Satan has been trying to destroy Israel from the start. Even before that. Thats what I believe.

But I am probably off topic. My apologies to the OP.

My hope, joy, and sanity in this world, is knowing that by grace alone, by faith alone, in Christ alone,...someday this miserable, imperfect struggling, weak, sinner, will be resurrected in perfection. God just asked me to believe Him, and He took it from there. I know I can't do it, thats a fact.

I was reading till 'Occult beliefs'. I come from the islands and know what that can encompass...