About identity of cities in Revelation 18

[Tomi Laakso]

   We should look into both the goodness and the severity of God (Romans 11:22). God mourns for every soul that He has to condemn to hell. But he will indeed condemn countless souls to hell, and we cannot comprehend the seriousness of that. If God would just end the history right away, that would be easier for Him, since all sins of all generations were placed upon Jesus. But He bears us, despite that we all would deserve hell, and can only be saved through the blood of Jesus, if we repent and believe the gospel. That judgements in the world come in steps (and some of those gradually), is mercy to mankind. Many can see that judgements are indeed coming and can repent before dying. Some get the chance to repent when dying in the judgements. And God gives warnings ahead, which is proof to mankind of the reality of Him.
    Some persons look arrogantly at the judgements of God: “It is only for those liberals. But I, even if I were there, would go straight to the heaven.” Some of those who think so are denying their faith by their deeds, like for example living in fornication or adultery. Sin in believers life can mean crucifying Jesus again. It is worse in front of God than sin of those who never knew Jesus. And if you are truly in a good condition in bad spiritual  times, you cannot know how much of that is really because of your free-will choices and how much because you got the grace that God influenced you more than most people in your time, so that light would be preserved in some lamps.
   Revelation chapters 17 and 18 speak about a great harlot, Babylon. I believe the harlotry refers to apostasy. There is apostasy inside and outside the churches, in conservative and liberal sides. I believe there is no single one-to-one correspondence of the Babylon to some earthly entity. Babylon is a spiritual concept and spiritual entity in the invisible world. Babylon has church-manifestations, city manifestations and country manifestations on the earth. Not differentiating between these and not realizing that there are two phases in the destruction described in chapter 18 has led to errors like speaking about annihilation of United States in this context. Even though Babylon is not a single entity on Earth, this does not mean that God would not give specific detailed warnings related to it’s destruction -quite the opposite is true, as we shall see.
     Revelation chapter 18 speaks about a sudden destruction of a powerful, large and rich city in a fire whose smoke can be seen from the sea. I believe this refers to more than one city, and that it speaks about nuclear terrorist attacks, that David Wilkerson also spoke about. Verse 17:18 describes the city as an imperial capital, that will say, at some part of it’s history. The economical significance and power described in chapter 18 at the time of the destruction points to New York and London, if understood as a property of a singular city. New York was not an imperial capital, but it has UN Security Council which has “kingship over the kings of the earth” when it succeeds in making a decision. City of Rome can be recognized from chapter 17, which has references to both the city and the Roman Catholic Church.
   I believe that Revelation 18 has two phases, earlier and latter. Verses 4-19 (or 9-19) are about the earlier phase essentially and the rest are about the latter phase. The earlier phase is about a great destruction that among other things takes the riches of the city away, but does not completely end the normal human life in the city (see verse 14). Observe that Hiroshima is still a major city today. The latter phase happens very late in the end times and means complete end of the normal human life in the city. See verses 22 and 23. Before the latter phase of destructions there happen persecutions of Christians all over the world (notice verse 20), but not necessarily before the first phase.
    The well known Biblical expression “time, times and half” (moed, moedim wachetzi) is connected to several prophecies. It is also connected to Revelation chapter 18. Please take into account that a prophetic text can have several parallel correct meanings. One of the meanings of the word moed  is appointed signal. It turns out that moed, moedim wachetzi gives signals related to cities of Revelation chapter 18. I will outline how the Hebrew expression gives the signals.
     We know that the basic meaning of time, times and half is 1260 days, which corresponds to ‘time, 2 times and half’, with time being 360 days. This can be seen by comparing Revelation 12:6 and 12:14. The number 2 is not in the Hebrew or Greek expression; it can also mean ‘time, 3 times and half’, or ‘time, 4 times and half’ and so on. With the same value of “time” as in 1260 these interpretations correspond to 1620 days, 1980 days, 2340 days and so on. So, a single Hebrew expression gives actually a sequence of numbers, and it turns out that many of the early numbers of this infinite sequence have prophetic signals. The first one, 1260, contains 260, which is the number of District of Columbia in Hebrew  according to standard modern Hebrew spelling. Daniel chapter 12 that also has the expression “time, times and half” says that these things will be sealed until the time of the end (see verse 9). The signals that I talk about are intended for the last generation and for the proper time. Most of the signals use the binary base, instead of decimal base. For this generation that is ok. God knew all bases and units and everything in His sovereign foreknowledge. Here is a list of some of the signals in these numbers.
1260 District of Columbia (Washington)
1620 Mexico City, Jerusalem (Jerusalem is possibly here due to reasons other than Revelation 18), Miami
1980 Rome, Damascus
2340 London, Berlin
2700 Istanbul
3060 New York, Kiev
3420 Moscow
3780 Amsterdam
4140 Madrid
Except the first one all these signals are of the type that the binary representation of the number on the left contains the binary representation of the number of the city in standard modern Hebrew spelling. Excluding Jerusalem and Miami these cities can all be regarded as imperial capitals (with New York included because of the Security Council). Even Kiev was the capital of Kievan Rus, the largest country of Europe in it’s time of greatness, and a major military power. Mexico City was the capital of Spanish Latin America, and before that the capital of the Aztec empire.
    Later in the prophetic sequence there comes extensive references to Revelation 18:4. Together with that there are further references to specific cities. God has allowed confirmations that the numbers of cities are not all in the list coincidentally. For example, the number 1980 mentioned above, that contains the modern Hebrew number of Rome contains also the Greek number of Rome in binary.
    I have done computer tests related to appearance of the cities in the binary representations of the prophetic numbers. The European part is more easily tested. The beginning of the list when counting only European cities is
1260 -
1620 -
1980 Rome
2340 London, Berlin (both numbers appear twice overlapping in 2340)
2700 Istanbul
3060 Kiev
3420 Moscow
   This correlates with the list of cities ruling over greatest share of world population at the time of their peak power, which for Europe would begin: Rome, Istanbul, London, Berlin, Moscow, S. Petersburg, Paris. (Istanbul was for a time the capital of the whole Roman Empire). This is connected to Revelation 17:18. Computer test that took into account first 5 of the prophetic numbers and first 7 of the cities in their historical ranking gave probability less than 11000 for random coincidence. This is indeed small enough to take notice.
    God is providing information about where to leave to avoid judgement of the Babylon-cities. As promised in Revelation 18 (through verses 4 and following), the information about leaving will be available before the destruction. What is in this sequence of prophetic message numbers is part of that information. It is also part of the handwriting on the wall. God, in His faithfulness, gives handwriting on the wall that is for everyone to see, after it is discovered, handwriting that comes through the Bible itself. Bible is exactly where to anchor in the last times. 
    The seriousness of the issue necessitates caution. God has nevertheless provided multiple confirmations to many details. Many numbers of cities contained in the sequence are accompanied by numbers of words closely connected to the city. For example in 2340 the number of Berlin (292) appears twice overlapping itself in binary. In the same number there is also the number the river Spree in the city. And the next number 2700 in the sequence has the number of Berlin in Greek.

About prophetic message numbers in general

    Still, for the issue of getting messages from prophetic message numbers, as those above, caution is needed. When getting messages from prophetic message numbers I propose the following five conditions. First, the messages should be about details, not doctrines. That is, messages should be about times, places and other outer details, not doctrinal statements or claims about spiritual concepts. Second, the details should be about the prophecy where those prophetic message numbers appear. If that prophecy is connected to another prophecy, the message number can be about details of that other prophecy too. Third, the message number should appear in the prophetic text as a message number. For this, one should allow unconventional understandings of the text. Fourth, the message should fit into how that message number appears in the prophetic text. Fifth, the message number should be demonstrated to have truthful data as a message number. In case of a number related to a prophecy whose fulfillment is entirely in the future, the truthful data should relate to known details of the domain where it will presumably be fulfilled (according to a reasonable understanding of the text). Instead of “domain” one can have something specific of the real world related to the proposed fulfillment. Here one should require that the truthful data is not plausible as a coincidence. Without these 5 conditions or something similar one could claim that Bible says almost anything through prophetic message numbers. 

Brief analysis of the prophetic word related to the prophetic message numbers

    In the case above these 5 conditions are satisfied, even though I have not yet proved it here. To this end, consider first Daniel 12, where it is written
   “5Then I, Daniel, looked, and two others were standing there, one on this bank of the river and one on the other. 6One of them said to the man dressed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, “How long until the end of these extraordinary things? ” 7Then I heard the man dressed in linen, who was above the waters of the river. He raised both his hands toward heaven and swore by Him who lives eternally that it would be for a time, times, and half a time. When the power of the holy people is shattered, all these things will be completed.”
     Time, times and half is connected to 2300 years through it’s basic meaning 1260 days. The numeric value of the expression “alpayim we-shelosh meot”, when written as in modern Hebrew with two yods in alpayim to distinguish it from alafim, is precisely 1260. It is known, that one fulfillment of 2300 ereb boqer is the time interval ending in 1967. At that time the last generation was already there. It is also known that the coming of Jesus cannot be known more accurately than the generation. In Daniel 12:7 the answer is actually that the end-times generation is there at the end of the 2300-year interval, what comes to time. 
    After learning this, let us look into Revelation chapter 12. Revelation 12:5 refers to Jesus and His ascension to heaven. The next verse says: “And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.”. This is often understood as speaking about some specific difficult 3.5-years in the end times. But that is not the only meaning here (if it speaks about that at all). The being in the prepared place started after the ascension of Jesus. This speaks about God’s protection in general throughout new covenant history all the way to the last generation, including the last generation. Here as in Daniel 12 the number 1260 refers to 2300 years, which end at 1967, and mark the last generation. After the last generation, in the thousand year kingdom, there is no longer need for similar God’s protection, since Jesus rules on Earth and the devil is bound.
    Verse 14 says “And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.”. I skip the issue of the meaning of the great eagle here for brevity, but I believe, that in the general case the two wings are obedience and prayer, which can be confirmed by Bible verses as you know. So far this is about the general case of protection of God for His people. But there is also more specific information here related to God’s protection in some case or cases. 
      In verse 14 we have a Greek version of moed, moedim wachetzi, καιρόν, καὶ καιρούς, καὶ ἥμισυ καιροῦ (in accusative). Since this is a specific spiritual concept or phrase, that appears both in Greek and Hebrew, I consider it legitimate to look into it’s meanings’ nuances in both languages when considering it in the Greek text. Consider the Hebrew meaning “appointed signal, appointed signals and part [of appointed signal]” in the Greek sentence. It is in the accusative case and it specifies verb τρέφεται (she is nourished, she is supported). Accusative specifies basicly the extent of the action of the verb, that is, where the action reaches, where it happens. In some rare cases it specifies according to what the action of the verb happens. Here essentially she is supported according to appointed signals. The signals give information about the limits and extent of the support, for example, from what cities you have to leave to avoid death in Revelation 18.
     How about the appointedness issue of these appointed signals? Appointed how? The destruction of Babylon in Revelation 18 is a major issue what comes to the security, and the request to leave Babylon-cities before destruction is a major issue related to God’s protection. As such it is a big single part of the protection that Revelation 12 speaks about. In Revelation 18 we see, that information about leaving comes before the destruction. In this sense the issue is appointed to be signaled at appropriate time. God’s choice to call it “Babylon” in the context of it’s destruction places the destruction of historical Babylon as it’s type. There we have the well known issue of the handwriting on the wall. It is reasonable therefore to consider the appearance of a handwriting on the wall as something to watch for. The handwriting on the wall is the appointed signal.

Therefore, a reason for anguish for other souls:

    In Jeremiah 9 there is
“20Hear, O women, the word of the LORD,
and let your ear receive the word of his mouth;
teach to your daughters a lament,
and each to her neighbor a dirge.
21For death has come up into our windows;
it has entered our palaces,
cutting off the children from the streets
and the young men from the squares.
22Speak: “Thus declares the LORD,
‘The dead bodies of men shall fall
like dung upon the open field,
like sheaves after the reaper,
and none shall gather them.’” ”     Each body is someone’s daughter or son. Could be someone’s husband or wife, father or mother. Even the family members don’t grasp the full tragedy, since most of those who die instantly go to eternal hell. For family members this is something that people don’t even bare to look at. But there is still hope since there is still time to leave. There is still time to show to nonbelievers, that The Living God is real after all, and knew our time and it’s geography thousands of years ago. His judgements are real, too. 

     What cities should receive the warning:     
 
Europe:

Rome (confirmed)
London (confirmed)
Berlin (confirmed)
Istanbul (at least partly confirmed)
Moscow
Petersburg
Madrid (confirmed)
Amsterdam (confirmed)
Brussels (confirmed)
Vienna
Lisbon (confirmed)
Paris (confirmed)
Kiev

Americas:

New York (confirmed)
Washington
Mexico city 
  Current (unconfirmed) understanding that I have is that in the United States the nuclear terrorist attacks happen in the greatest urban areas up to Miami and in the greatest metropolitan statistical areas up to Washington. (Both lists begin with New York.) Some strategic targets are possible besides these.


Asia:

Damascus (confirmed)
Jerusalem (unclear, number of Jerusalem in the list is possibly connected to prophecies about the Old City, not Revelation 18. It is hardly the case that God is telling people to leave Jerusalem.)
Whole Elam is in danger of destruction -this can mean Iran or Pakistan or both. This happens probably/possibly after the nuclear terrorist attacks. I believe that the nuclear warheads (missiles are not involved here) are from the beast of the Revelation (see Revelation 17:16) or his future co-rulers, and I do not believe he is from Pakistan. He does his best to hide the true origin of the nuclear warheads, and he is “skilled in intrigue”.
   For Damascus there is the prophecy Isaiah 17:1-3. Also the general law of blessing or cursing Israel is relevant here, as is also true for Iran.

There can be other cities besides these.
    

Jesus be with you and guide you to all truth

Tomi Laakso
Finland

[Tomi Laakso]

About the nature of the voice in Revelation 18:4 and onwards

   In Revelation 18 it is written: “
4And I heard another voice from heaven saying, “Come out of her, my people, lest you share in her sins, and lest you receive of her plagues. 5For her sins [c]have reached to heaven, and God has remembered her iniquities. 6Render to her just as she rendered [d]to you, and repay her double according to her works; in the cup which she has mixed, mix double for her. 7In the measure that she glorified herself and lived [e]luxuriously, in the same measure give her torment and sorrow; for she says in her heart, ‘I sit as queen, and am no widow, and will not see sorrow.’ 8Therefore her plagues will come in one day—death and mourning and famine. And she will be utterly burned with fire, for strong is the Lord God who [f]judges her.
 “   
     Taking into account basics of Christian morals shows that the commandment to participate in the judgement of Babylon cannot come to us. Actually, God is not commanding anyone to atrocities here. Even in the old covenant time instruments of God’s wrath were bringing judgement to themselves, too. God is not commanding anybody to commit an atrocity here, nor is He giving permission to any atrocity. It is written in James 1: “13Let no one say when he is tempted, “I am tempted by God”; for God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He Himself tempt anyone.” . So what is God doing here, and to whom is the participation in the atrocity? Revelation 17 says related to the destruction of Babylon: “16And the ten horns which thou sawest upon the beast, these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire. 17For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled. ” (or: according to other manuscripts than Textus Receptus the verse 16 is like: “And the ten horns that you saw, and the beast, these will hate the prostitute, and will make her desolate and naked, and will eat her flesh, and will burn her with fire.” (BLB)) God does not put wrongness into their heart. They do sin according to their sinful choices and sinful nature and due to sinful worldly and demonic influence. But God directs their wrath to His chosen target through providence. God determines who sinner exactly gets the power and through the details of their life and background He ensures that the their own evil wrath is directed to the target God chose.
    So, this part of the voice that is directing the destroyers comes through providence. Interesting thing here is that the voice is described as one voice. Can verse 4 also come through providence? What I wrote above about the prophetic messages numbers in this context shows that the answer is surprisingly yes. The sequence of prophetic message numbers coming from time, times and half is determined by simple arithmetic rule: the next number is the previous + 360. Not even complete foreknowledge is sufficient to write several messages into such sequence, since it is completely determined by the first number and the difference of successive numbers. But through providence God arranged through history, that the names of the cities will be such that their numbers appear in the list. God arranged also that the numbers of confirmations will be with the desired cities. He arranged the languages and script forms and word-number systems so that the number of Rome with Hebrew and with Greek both appeared in the binary representation of 1980. He arranged that the number of Berlin with Hebrew appears twice overlapping itself in 2340 and that the Greek number appears in the next number, and that the number of a river that flows through Berlin is also in 2340, for example. Several numbers related to Berlin appear together to make it clear that these numbers indeed point to Berlin intentionally and not by coincidence.
    So, through providence God arranges that a handwriting on the wall will appear in the “wall” of the prophetic sequence. (Through providence God arranges the references to Revelation 18:4 later in the sequence as well.)  This is a true handwriting on the wall, since, first, it can be shown to be statistically significant, and second, only Someone who has lordship over fine details of history can make it. (To be more precise about the details: The city-issue for some European cities has been treated with formal Monte Carlo -simulation to show the statistic significance. The reference to Revelation 18:4 in the numbers is obvious in the plain sight when revealed but in it’s entirety it is inventive enough so that it is difficult to plan a formal Monte Carlo -simulation for it.)
 
   (In the text of Revelation 18:4-8 it is not obvious where exactly the voice mentioned in the verse 4 ends, and where the narrative of the rest of chapter 18 begins. Is verse 8 part of the voice or not? Is “because in her heart she says, 'I sit as a queen, and I am never a widow, and never shall I see mourning.’ ” (BLB) in the end of verse 7 connected more to the previous or the next sentence? But presumably the imperative in verse 6 is part of the voice. This is what is needed for the discussion above.)

[Fenris]

time being 360 days

Source?

[Tomi Laakso]

time being 360 days

Source?

Thanks for an intelligent question. I understand the point that time = 360 days is not the only integer solution to time, times and half = 1260 days. Also time = 280 days would do together with time, 3 times and half, and time = 168 days would do with time, 6 times and half, for example.
    The reasoning I used in my work was as follows. There is basic form for time, times and half that can be used to extract basic information. This can be then applied in the more nuanced understanding. Prophetic word can have more than one correct understanding, more than one message.
   So, why is time, 2 times and half the basic form of time, times and half? It has the smallest possible amount of times in it, so it is the simplest possibility in that sense. Furthermore, recall that the niqqud vowel points were added to Masoretic text somewhere in approximately the 9th century. Much later than Biblical times. If we ignore this later addition, then we can read the Hebrew expression according to Masoretic spelling conventions both as moed, moadim wachetzi (with moadim being plural) and moed, moadayim wachetzi (with moadayim being dual). The latter one is the only one that gives a fixed amount of times, and it means time, 2 times and half. Moreover, since the plural case contains the dual case as one possibility, the only possibility that comes through both readings corresponds to time, 2 times and half. So it makes sense to emphasize this form.
   So, first we read Revelation 12:14 with the basic form time, 2 times and half, and compare this to Revelation 12:6 that has 1260 in it's stead. From this we get basic understanding time = 360 days. Then we read more nuanced information from Revelation 12:14 with using the general sense time, times and half and also take into account the signal-type meaning of moed ("time"). There we also apply the basic information we just obtained, that is time = 360 days.

[RabbiKnife]

Exactly how does all this esoteric rambling impact your misssion of making disciples?

Does this make you a better Christian?

Do you serve better?

Do you love more?

Do you sacrifice yourself more?

What’s the point?

[Fenris]

Thanks for an intelligent question. I understand the point that time = 360 days is not the only integer solution to time, times and half = 1260 days. Also time = 280 days would do together with time, 3 times and half, and time = 168 days would do with time, 6 times and half, for example.

You haven't answered my question. Where in the bible (or anyplace else, for that matter) does the idea exist that "time" is equal to 360 days?

[tango]

Honestly, when your first post here is a wall of words like this and we have no idea whether you have something interesting to share or you're just another internet rando trying to teach us all how badly wrong we are, it's not the greatest start.

If you had a track record here of posting interesting, uplifting or insightful stuff I might be more inclined to read it all. But you don't, and I've seen enough people appear on a message board to post a wall of words that's not useful that I don't feel inclined to read it and process it all in case it is useful.

Perhaps you could try introducing yourself, and posting something a little shorter so we can get to know you a bit before you present a brain dump.

[Athanasius]

Still, for the issue of getting messages from prophetic message numbers, as those above, caution is needed. When getting messages from prophetic message numbers I propose the following five conditions:

First, the messages should be about details, not doctrines. That is, messages should be about times, places and other outer details, not doctrinal statements or claims about spiritual concepts.

Second, the details should be about the prophecy where those prophetic message numbers appear. If that prophecy is connected to another prophecy, the message number can be about details of that other prophecy too.

Third, the message number should appear in the prophetic text as a message number. For this, one should allow unconventional understandings of the text.

Fourth, the message should fit into how that message number appears in the prophetic text.

Fifth, the message number should be demonstrated to have truthful data as a message number. In case of a number related to a prophecy whose fulfillment is entirely in the future, the truthful data should relate to known details of the domain where it will presumably be fulfilled (according to a reasonable understanding of the text). Instead of “domain” one can have something specific of the real world related to the proposed fulfillment. Here one should require that the truthful data is not plausible as a coincidence.

Without these 5 conditions or something similar one could claim that Bible says almost anything through prophetic message numbers.

You hear about those sharpshooters in Texas?

In the case above these 5 conditions are satisfied, even though I have not yet proved it here.

I am shocked.

[Fenris]

I'm disappointed that I didn't get the revelation about "time" being 360 days.

The number does have many interesting properties, like being "highly composite" (as defined by Ramanujan). It featured very heavily in Babylonian mathematics (probably for the above reason!) and is why in modern math a circle has 360 degrees. They also had a calendar of 12 months of 30 days each = 360 days in a year. Unfortunately that is off by more than 5 days from the solar calendar. It does not feature in the Jewish calendar however, which is based on the appearance of the new moon of approximately 29.53 days per month, which leads to months having either 29 or 30 days. The lunar calendar thus has 354 days in a year. Since the holiday of Passover has to be in the spring, it is 11 days earlier every year until the error adds up to a full month, at which point a leap month is added to the calendar. This is done on a repeating 19 year cycle.

[Tomi Laakso]

In the case above these 5 conditions are satisfied, even though I have not yet proved it here.

I am shocked.

It seems that you misunderstood the sentence. It means that the conditions were not all proved in the part of the text before that sentence.
    But I admit that there was a substantial error in my text (which does not make the issue itself to fall, only the exposition). The condition 3 should be reframed. As I stated it, it was only suitable for single explicit prophetic message numbers like 1335 in the end of Daniel. But the sequence of numbers corresponding to time, times and half is a different matter, since these numbers do not literally appear in the text (except 1260 in certain places).
    Better framing would be: "Third, either A: the message number should appear in the prophetic text as a message number, or B: an expression in the text should correspond to the prophetic message number or an array of message numbers, with using a correspondence, whose idea can be obtained from the Bible. This number or numbers should then appear in the text as a prophetic message number or numbers (in the place of the expression). For the role as a prophetic message number or numbers, one should allow unconventional understandings of the text." The correspondence was time = 360 days in the context of time, times and half (and this was seen by comparing Revelation 12:14 and 12:6.)
    I admit that the framing above is clumsy as a text. But actually I have to add one condition more to it: "The correspondence should not be gematric". This is because otherwise all Biblical expressions could be turned to numbers. But the other direction is different: If a number is a prophetic message number, then the messages can be gematric, too. One can get fulfilled prophecy (or prophecies), even high accuracy, in Daniel chapter 12 with time, times and half and 1335, with allowing gematric messages. The idea time =  360 days is crucial also there.

[Athanasius]

It seems that you misunderstood the sentence. It means that the conditions were not all proved in the part of the text before that sentence.

Yep, hence my shock.

    But I admit that there was a substantial error in my text (which does not make the issue itself to fall, only the exposition). The condition 3 should be reframed. As I stated it, it was only suitable for single explicit prophetic message numbers like 1335 in the end of Daniel. But the sequence of numbers corresponding to time, times and half is a different matter, since these numbers do not literally appear in the text (except 1260 in certain places).
    Better framing would be: "Third, either A: the message number should appear in the prophetic text as a message number, or B: an expression in the text should correspond to the prophetic message number or an array of message numbers, with using a correspondence, whose idea can be obtained from the Bible. This number or numbers should then appear in the text as a prophetic message number or numbers (in the place of the expression). For the role as a prophetic message number or numbers, one should allow unconventional understandings of the text." The correspondence was time = 360 days in the context of time, times and half (and this was seen by comparing Revelation 12:14 and 12:6.)
    I admit that the framing above is clumsy as a text. But actually I have to add one condition more to it: "The correspondence should not be gematric". This is because otherwise all Biblical expressions could be turned to numbers. But the other direction is different: If a number is a prophetic message number, then the messages can be gematric, too. One can get fulfilled prophecy (or prophecies), even high accuracy, in Daniel chapter 12 with time, times and half and 1335, with allowing gematric messages. The idea time =  360 days is crucial also there.

The more pressing issue is that numerology isn't theology, it's BS.

[RabbiKnife]

When you are a hammer, all the world looks like a watermelon. ~~ Gallagher

[Tomi Laakso]

Perhaps you could try introducing yourself,

Here is something about me and my life. I came to faith when being 11 by reading the New Testament. When being 14 I became an apostate. God did a lot of work to bring me back and I returned to Jesus when 25. That was in 2002. At that time I was a publishing research mathematician. I abandoned my career in 2007.
    After that I have for example done work of God among alcoholics and drug-users and other persons with serious problems. Also served as a street evangelist and a Bible-teacher in a house-church. I have taken care of my mother with Alzheimer's. Not always did I succeed well in these things.
    I did not want back to mathematics after leaving it. I was happy to move on. I was not especially interested on the prophetic area in the years before I started research on it (with few exceptions). I was more interested in boundaries of salvation, will of God, character of Jesus and the cross of Jesus. The boundaries of salvation is an important topic. In my country there is very much preaching of watered-down gospel, that repentance is not needed for salvation. But we in the house-church did not believe that. We prepared for counter-apostasy -work. As I said, there is apostasy inside and outside churches. Many are spiritually dead even if they come to meetings. Some are dead because they live in sin. Some are dead because they believe so unbiblical theology that they are following another Jesus. (Like Kenneth Copeland.) (See 2 Corinth. 11:4.) Understanding these things is useful for my work on the prophetic word. If I speak about details of God's judgements, I can also speak about why. If I ask people to leave certain cities to avoid calamities, I know I should also ask them to leave sin, repent. (Not that they would become sinless.)
    I began research in the prophetic area through providence. God led me to unintendedly find out a thing that had serious implications. This led to more research and eventually to the study related to Revelation chapter 18. I do that research because of the souls that will encounter the sudden destruction. (That I would not claim too much about good motives, one should mention that human heart is evil and deceiving and has many motives, sometimes hidden, that can appear together with decent motives influenced by God. Sometimes these motives work on the same and sometimes to different direction as the acceptable motives. Sometimes good motives are only apparent, and real motives of the heart are evil.)
    The research that I do is a serious issue. If I give a false alarm, I harden people's hearts to the true warning. This costs lives, and eternal lives. If, on the other hand, I know about a true danger and do not warn, I have blood on my hands, and this also costs eternal lives. See Ezekiel 3 and Ezekiel 33 and Proverbs 24:11-12. If I see special indications of danger but still there is not sufficient certainty for warning, and I abandon the whole thing when I have not yet done what I reasonably could to figure it out more certainly (or to find out that it really should be abandoned), then I am guilty to digging my talent to the ground.
    But could I abandon those souls that will die in nuclear explosions? What would I say in the day it happens? I knew. What would I say to those who lost their children, sometimes unsaved children, in the nuclear explosions? Even if I give the warning now, they could come in front of me and say: "Why didn't you speak before?"
    God would use someone else if I refused, and maybe He is already using others to bring these same observations forwards. But if I don't do my part, something is lost. Someone is lost.
    Recently I came to conclusion that the threshold to warn is crossed.
    Sorry for not being able to give more time to prepare the text that I posted. It could be very difficult to read.
    I am here with my own name. I will not publicly discuss things in my life related specifically to other individuals (at least not without a direct permission), except public figures.
    All glory to God, all shame to me. Without Jesus we can do nothing.

[Fenris]

When you are a hammer, all the world looks like a watermelon. ~~ Gallagher

[Fenris]

The idea time =  360 days is crucial also there.

You haven't explained the source of this idea yet. Where does the bible say that "time = 360 days"?