Jew hatred on the political right

[tango]

both sides have the pretty(ish) moderates and the silly wingnuts. The only question is which one is more visible while they are trying to get elected because once they are elected the nutjob fringe seem to take over.

What's happening now is somewhat different and much more dangerous, I think. It's normal politics to run as a moderate even though that's now how one intends to govern. But what happens when candidates don't even bother running as a moderate? This is going to lead to much more fringe governance, real fringe, like socialism and outright racism.

I read an article a while ago that sounded plausible, although if it's wrong perhaps someone more familiar with the machinations of US politics can offer correction.

The gist of the article is that the primaries are the process whereby a party shakes out a lot of candidates to a small number of candidates, and the process works by appealing to the party faithful. So the moderate is likely to be overlooked because the most vocal fringes want someone who is more of a firebrand, even though the moderate candidate would be appealing to a much broader swathe of the population, including floating voters and moderates on the other side. At the same time the other side is looking for a firebrand, regardless of cross-party appeal. In the middle are the moderates, the independents, and the floating voters who get overlooked and the end result is a right wing nutjob with a red rosette and a left wing nutjob with a blue rosette. The party faithful rally behind the appropriate colored rosette, potentially not even knowing or caring what the person stands for as long as the rosette is the right color, while the growing center ground has to choose between the lesser of two evils with no idea of what will actually happen when whichever one of them gets elected takes office.

[Fenris]

The gist of the article is that the primaries are the process whereby a party shakes out a lot of candidates to a small number of candidates, and the process works by appealing to the party faithful. So the moderate is likely to be overlooked because the most vocal fringes want someone who is more of a firebrand, even though the moderate candidate would be appealing to a much broader swathe of the population, including floating voters and moderates on the other side.

I mean it depends. Primary voters should be wiser, and pick someone who can win in the general election. I wouldn't like Vance even if he wasn't hanging out with racists and crazies, because he's also not very appealing to moderates, and crossover voters, and minorities... his speeches at TPUSA just threw out the entire Trunp coalition. Trump won by 1% and Vance needs every one of those voters, but he'd rather appeal to the crazies on the fringe of the base.

[IMINXTC]

On a similar note, believers identifying with any such political movement can lend voice to seriously evil ideologies, organized antisemitism among them.

And while I'll vote my conscience, right, left, centrist or not at all, my Christian message is the Gospel, not politics or party affiliation. While the Gospel and my Christian faith must inform my political choices, Christian nationalism is false doctrine. The Church is God's nation, inhabiting many nations, and Christ is the head of that spiritual body.

The Church thrived in the age of Nero, et al.
 
"Radical Centrist" for 11 yrs now, starting around the time of the false accusations and conspiracy notions fluent in 2014 politics.
 
"Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good." 1Tm 1:3:
(A conspiracy theory is false accusation).

Radical Centrism: Wikipedia https://share.google/RiKpGKHDyWlud3r24


".Some observers see radical centrism as primarily a process of catalyzing dialogue and fresh thinking among polarized people and groups."

[Fenris]

On a similar note, believers identifying with any such political movement can lend voice to seriously evil ideologies, organized antisemitism among them.

This is indeed a problem. On the other hand, believers not identifying with any political movement leaves them open to be defined by other believers. I don't think you want that.

If you choose not to participate in the world, you have to live in that world that your lack of action created. And so do I. 

[tango]

On a similar note, believers identifying with any such political movement can lend voice to seriously evil ideologies, organized antisemitism among them.

A large part of the problem is what looks like a growing tendency to figure that if I vote for Party A it's because I've considered the two parties and concluded that A more closely represents my views even if I disagree with them on some matters. At the same time your vote for Party B means you must fully approve of every single aspect of Party B, including the most extreme nutjobs within the party, and therefore you are an extremist because if you weren't you wouldn't support such extremists. Needless to say my support for Party A doesn't imply any such support of the extremists within my own party because, well, obviously.

[RabbiKnife]

Yet we then go one step further with the gaslighting and slut shaming with the playground chant of “Tango has cooties because he doesn’t vocally and loudly denounce the people I denounce,” then we back that up by questioning the loyalty of our friends.

Tango has cooties

Shibboleth

Eliot’s “The Hollow Men” comes to mind

[tango]

Tango has cooties

They're responding well to treatment

[IMINXTC]

Personally can't see this current administration going much further, so this all becomes very concerning. Maybe only a giddy perception, but not just my own. And mid-terms are a ways off.

[RabbiKnife]

What does that mean?

“Not going much further”?  In what way?

[IMINXTC]

Health issues.

[RabbiKnife]

Speaking of conspiracy theories…

[IMINXTC]

Vance told USA Today in August. “And if, God forbid, there’s a terrible tragedy, I can’t think of better on-the-job training than what I’ve gotten over the last 200 days.”
 

[RabbiKnife]

That’s a completely truthful statement and says nothing of POTUS’ health

[IMINXTC]

Will see.

[Fenris]

Not a fan of conspiracy theories.

Reality is terrifying enough.