Jew hatred on the political right

[Sojourner]

Both the Republican and Democrat parties have been hijacked by radical extremists with opposing agendas, and both are equally out of touch with the average citizen. Choosing between constipation and diarrhea isn't much of a choice.

[RabbiKnife]

Both the Republican and Democrat parties have been hijacked by radical extremists with opposing agendas, and both are equally out of touch with the average citizen. Choosing between constipation and diarrhea isn't much of a choice.

You’ve never been in the woods without toilet paper, have you???

😳

[tango]

Of my associates who are Jewish, not one will vote Republican, even even if their discourse seems to favor the right. Something I've often found frustrating as a lifelong conservative (until 2014).

I've been a steadfast Republican voter for as long as I've voted. And I'm out. This is not conservatism, this is good old fashioned Jew hatred. If the current trajectory continues, I expect Republicans to get rocked in the midterms. And I'm fine with that. If Vance is the 2028 nominee I may even consider voting Democrat. This is the party you want? Appeasing the lunatic and racist fringe? Then deal with the consequences.

Serious question, not wishing to push one party or the other.

Since it's pretty well known you are a Jew it's entirely understandable that you wouldn't vote for a party led by someone hostile to Jews. My question would be whether the other party is inherently any less hostile to Jews - are they genuinely less hostile or are they simply less vocal about it right at the moment? My observations have been that most of the pro-Palestinian sentiments are expressed by the political left.

On that basis would you actively vote for a party that might not express specific disdain for Jews but is openly supportive of nations that seek to annihilate Israel, or simply refrain from voting at all?

[tango]

Both the Republican and Democrat parties have been hijacked by radical extremists with opposing agendas, and both are equally out of touch with the average citizen. Choosing between constipation and diarrhea isn't much of a choice.

You’ve never been in the woods without toilet paper, have you???

😳

Being in the woods isn't necessarily a problem when there's lots of space and privacy on the basis of not having another human within a mile in any direction (although you may need to watch for trali cams). Being in a suburban area (lots of houses, no public bathrooms) is an entirely different situation.

[IMINXTC]

It would seem impossible that any aspiring representative government harboring antisemitism could even stand a chance in our constitutional democracy when the electorate is informed but my confidence has been shakened these past few years.

[RabbiKnife]

I’ve never had any confidence in any government so I’m never disappointed

The key to satisfaction with government is lowered expectations

Too many people on either side of the aisle look to government as a solution rather than accepting government as a problem to be contained

Thus you end up with Marxist liberation theology on one side and so called Christian nationalism on the other. Both of which are authoritarian, against personal liberty, and against God

[tango]

It would seem impossible that any aspiring representative government harboring antisemitism could even stand a chance in our constitutional democracy when the electorate is informed but my confidence has been shakened these past few years.

This illustrates the problem very well.

[Fenris]

both sides have the pretty(ish) moderates and the silly wingnuts. The only question is which one is more visible while they are trying to get elected because once they are elected the nutjob fringe seem to take over.

What's happening now is somewhat different and much more dangerous, I think. It's normal politics to run as a moderate even though that's now how one intends to govern. But what happens when candidates don't even bother running as a moderate? This is going to lead to much more fringe governance, real fringe, like socialism and outright racism.

[Fenris]

please don’t be obtuse.  It’s unbecoming of a man with your intellect and character.  That’s not what I wrote and you know it.

Then why don't you explain what you meant by "For some reason, I doubt God is wringing His hands over any of it…"

Because I'm doing a fair amount of hand wringing here, and it's not due to my lack of faith.

[Fenris]

Serious question, not wishing to push one party or the other.

Since it's pretty well known you are a Jew it's entirely understandable that you wouldn't vote for a party led by someone hostile to Jews. My question would be whether the other party is inherently any less hostile to Jews - are they genuinely less hostile or are they simply less vocal about it right at the moment? My observations have been that most of the pro-Palestinian sentiments are expressed by the political left.

On that basis would you actively vote for a party that might not express specific disdain for Jews but is openly supportive of nations that seek to annihilate Israel, or simply refrain from voting at all?

This is a good question. In truth I am politically homeless at the moment. The antisemitic far right and far left are both ascendant and close to the wheels of power. It's not a good moment for America.

[Fenris]

It would seem impossible that any aspiring representative government harboring antisemitism could even stand a chance in our constitutional democracy when the electorate is informed but my confidence has been shakened these past few years.

And what happens if all the candidates running express such views? How about an AOC vs Vance race? They're both appealing to enough of the base that they could win their respective primaries, so it's certainly within the realm of possibility.

[IMINXTC]

It would seem impossible that any aspiring representative government harboring antisemitism could even stand a chance in our constitutional democracy when the electorate is informed but my confidence has been shakened these past few years.

And what happens if all the candidates running express such views? How about an AOC vs Vance race? They're both appealing to enough of the base that they could win their respective primaries, so it's certainly within the realm of possibility.

Not good.

[Fenris]

The key to satisfaction with government is lowered expectations

If only that would assuage what's bothering me. If only.

[RabbiKnife]

please don’t be obtuse.  It’s unbecoming of a man with your intellect and character.  That’s not what I wrote and you know it.

Then why don't you explain what you meant by "For some reason, I doubt God is wringing His hands over any of it…"

Because I'm doing a fair amount of hand wringing here, and it's not due to my lack of faith.

God is concerned, of course.  He is more heartbroken than we mere mortals are.  But He knows the future and doesn’t have our angst and worry.

I personally get in the most trouble in my head when I start telling God how He is supposed to act according to my desires.

[Fenris]

I personally get in the most trouble in my head when I start telling God how He is supposed to act according to my desires.

This is not about me wishing for something personal or material or frivolous. I am concerned for the safety and well-being of my people. History is a guide of what happens when societies turn against the Jews.