Jew hatred on the political right

[Fenris]

"The idea that Tucker Carlson, who has one of the largest podcasts in the world, who has millions of listeners, who supported Donald Trump in the 2024 election, who supported me in the 2024 election, the idea that his views are somehow completely anathema to conservatism, that he has no place in the conservative movement, are frankly absurd. And I don't think that anybody actually believes it". JD Vance at TPUSA.

This, my friends, is called gaslighting.

Tucker is on the take from Qatar. It's completely obvious. He did a podcast where he said that Qatar is America's greatest ally. He bought a house there. He attacks Israel on every single broadcast. He's a conspiracy loon who sees Jews behind everything. And Vance chooses to support him and invite him into the conservative movement.

[Sojourner]

I shudder at the thought of him being the front-runner in 2028. His loss would be as detrimental as his victory--just for different reasons. (Trump was as misguided in choosing him as his running mate as he was with most of his cabinet). I really wish Ron DeSantis had won the nomination instead of Trump.

[IMINXTC]

Of my associates who are Jewish, not one will vote Republican, even even if their discourse seems to favor the right. Something I've often found frustrating as a lifelong conservative (until 2014).

I quit "all" party idealism and parisanship then.

My late friend Ron was typical and hailed from a family equally as prone to side with the Democrats regardless.

[IMINXTC]

"I’m not saying you have to be a Christian to be an American,” Vance said. “I’m saying something simple and truer: Christianity is America’s dream.”
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NOTE: This is not true and that is not Christianity. It is quazi-Catholic ad-libbing.

[teddyv]

I shudder at the thought of him being the front-runner in 2028. His loss would be as detrimental as his victory--just for different reasons. (Trump was as misguided in choosing him as his running mate as he was with most of his cabinet). I really wish Ron DeSantis had won the nomination instead of Trump.

Vance was hand picked by Peter Thiel. I can't stand DeSantis, but he's not a malignant narcissist so that's a positive.

[RabbiKnife]

"I’m not saying you have to be a Christian to be an American,” Vance said. “I’m saying something simple and truer: Christianity is America’s dream.”
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NOTE: This is not true and that is not Christianity. It is quazi-Catholic ad-libbing.

The so-called “American Dream” is the church’s greatest nightmare…

But the typical “church” and the typical “Christian” in North America is too stupid to recognize it

[Fenris]

More JD:

"99% of Republicans, and I think probably 97% of Democrats, do not hate Jewish people for being Jewish".

Now he's covering for Jew haters on the left and the right. I despise gaslighting.

How does he explain this?

"What is actually happening is that there is a real backlash to a consensus view in American foreign policy. I think we ought to have that conversation and not try to shut it down. Most Americans are not antisemitic, they’re never going to be antisemitic, and I think we should focus on the real debate."

Ohhh. So people aren't happy with US foreign policy towards Israel (even though opinion polls show that a majority of Americans do support Israel) and that's why they don't like Jews. This is classic antisemitism. "I don't hate Jews because they're Jews, but for some reason that makes my hatred completely justifiable".

 

[Fenris]

Of my associates who are Jewish, not one will vote Republican, even even if their discourse seems to favor the right. Something I've often found frustrating as a lifelong conservative (until 2014).

I've been a steadfast Republican voter for as long as I've voted. And I'm out. This is not conservatism, this is good old fashioned Jew hatred. If the current trajectory continues, I expect Republicans to get rocked in the midterms. And I'm fine with that. If Vance is the 2028 nominee I may even consider voting Democrat. This is the party you want? Appeasing the lunatic and racist fringe? Then deal with the consequences.

[Fenris]

Machine politician Gavin Newsome will be the significant contender to dread for those concerned with an (inevitable?) swing to the left

I'd vote for a clown and a buffoon over a man who breaks bread with racists.

[Fenris]

For some reason, I doubt God is wringing His hands over any of it…

I'm really upset by this comment RK. I expect better from you. God doesn't care what happens here and neither do you?

It brings to mind a criticism of Christianity by rabbi Leo Baeck that I've shared here before:

Another development has been no less calamitous and no less frequent. This finished perfected justice, this self-assurance of the possessing, has also often found expression in a tranquil, comfortable, almost smug indifference. Being satisfied with itself, the Church was capable of beholding a great deal without being at all upset. Since it considered itself a world apart, it could leave many matters in this world to take care of themselves. Having issued from divine grace, the pious faith was superior to everything impermanent and human; hence it could regard earthly deeds, of whatever character, as something inferior and indifferent, as beneath it. So one was prepared to overlook and discount and indulge anything: the correct faith was easily satisfied with itself for "whoever believes in him is just."

A good deal of Church history is the history of all the things which neither hurt nor encroached upon this piety, all the outrages and all the baseness which this piety was able to tolerate with an assured and undisturbed soul and an untroubled faith. And a spirit is characterized not only by what it does but, no less, by what it permits, what it forgives, and what it beholds in silence. The Christian religion, very much including Protestantism, has been able to maintain silence about so much that it is difficult to say what has been more pernicious in the course of time: the intolerance which committed the wrongs or the indifference which beheld them unperturbed. Perhaps such indifference is even more romantic than intolerance, for it is more passive. It is wholly fitting for the faith which does not want to wrestle and act, but is content to wait and experience; it is entirely commensurate with the repudiation of the Law. The moral duty of justice and the fight for justice are associated with the phase that lies in the past and has been overcome.

[RabbiKnife]

My comment was about the political wrangling and gamesmanship.

Not about antisemitism

Of course God is concerned about antisemitism

He’s concerned about everything that impacts humans

However, on a Christian theological framework (which I understand you do not follow) what happens here on earth has limited importance compared to eternity

[Fenris]

However, on a Christian theological framework (which I understand you do not follow) what happens here on earth has limited importance compared to eternity

Christians do not care about human suffering? That's in the here and now and I would not consider it of "limited importance". I know that many Christians feel likewise. Are you not one of those Christians?

[Fenris]

Donald Trump, Jr:  "This isn’t the Republican Party anymore. It’s the MAGA Party and we are not going back."

Buh bye.

[RabbiKnife]

However, on a Christian theological framework (which I understand you do not follow) what happens here on earth has limited importance compared to eternity

Christians do not care about human suffering? That's in the here and now and I would not consider it of "limited importance". I know that many Christians feel likewise. Are you not one of those Christians?

please don’t be obtuse.  It’s unbecoming of a man with your intellect and character.  That’s not what I wrote and you know it.

[tango]

Machine politician Gavin Newsome will be the significant contender to dread for those concerned with an (inevitable?) swing to the left

I'd vote for a clown and a buffoon over a man who breaks bread with racists.

My concern, not that I get a voice in the matter ("no taxation without representation" went missing somewhere between Boston in the 1770s and Washington in the 2020s), is that both sides have the pretty(ish) moderates and the silly wingnuts. The only question is which one is more visible while they are trying to get elected because once they are elected the nutjob fringe seem to take over.