The seven seals and how they relate to Matthew 24

[shepherdsword]

The seven seals and how they relate to Matthew 24:

1)white horse rider(Mt 24 "many shall come in my name saying I am anointed(Christ)24:5
2)red horse rider who takes peace from the earth(wars and rumors of wars)24:6
3)Black horse rider who measures food (famines in different places)24:7
4)Pale(Green) horse rider is death and hell follows kills 1/3 with disease and war(pestilences)24:7
5)Under the alter thos who died for Jesus(they shall deliver you up)24:9
6)eathquakes,sun becomes black,moon becomes as blood(compare with Mt 24)Isa 2:19 men hiding in the holes of the rocks and in caves(joel 2:31)24:29
7)silence in heaven(because Jesus is returning with his angels and heaven is empty)24:30

What say ye?

[Sojourner]

Yeah, there is definitely a precise correlation between the seals and Matthew 24. The Revelation in fact, picks up where Daniel leaves off, breaking the seals he was told were sealed until the end time. It's amazing that the last book of the Bible ends with the conditions that began in Genesis, including the restoration of our fellowship with God. 66 books written over hundreds of years, dovetailing with a common thread telling the story of man's fall and long road to redemption through the love and mercy of God. 

[davy]

The seven seals and how they relate to Matthew 24:

1)white horse rider(Mt 24 "many shall come in my name saying I am anointed(Christ)24:5
2)red horse rider who takes peace from the earth(wars and rumors of wars)24:6
3)Black horse rider who measures food (famines in different places)24:7
4)Pale(Green) horse rider is death and hell follows kills 1/3 with disease and war(pestilences)24:7
5)Under the alter thos who died for Jesus(they shall deliver you up)24:9
6)eathquakes,sun becomes black,moon becomes as blood(compare with Mt 24)Isa 2:19 men hiding in the holes of the rocks and in caves(joel 2:31)24:29
7)silence in heaven(because Jesus is returning with his angels and heaven is empty)24:30

What say ye?

The rider on the white horse, which is assumed to be the 1st Seal, but really doesn't say...

I interpret that white horse rider to be the coming pseudo-Christ mentioned later in the Matthew 24:23-26 verses.

The very first sign Jesus gave indeed was to not let any man deceive us. That I agree is the direct connection in Matt.24 to that white horse rider, however...

Later on at Matt.24:23-26, the context there is actually about a 'singular' false-Christ, not many "false Christs" like the KJV translators have it. Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance defined Greek pseudochristos there in Matt.24:24 as 'a spurious Messiah'. And the actual context of the Matt.24:23 & 26 verses is the singular tense about that false-Messiah.

So what we actually have there in Matt.24 is probably where Apostle John got the idea of the coming of both a singular "antichrist" the brethren had already heard shall come, and then the "many antichrists" John said were already at work (1 John 2:18).

Thus I interpret the "many" that only say they are Christ of Matt.24:5 to mean the "many antichrists" already at work. And then the later pseudochristos (spurious Messiah) that will have power to work great signs and wonders as the actual "antichrist" John said the brethren had already heard shall come.

That then takes me back to the white horse rider, a singular individual mimic of how Lord Jesus returns on a white horse per Rev.19. I see that as the coming false-Messiah of Matt.24:23-26. No matter the warning of the coming false-Messiah is given at the first in Rev.6, because the link to that in Matt.24 is with Christ's very first warning to not allow any man to deceive us.

This pattern of Apostle John's "antichrist" (singular false-Messiah with supernatural powers) vs. the "many antichrists" (the many who only claim to be Christ with no supernatural power), I also see in the 2 Thess.2 chapter by Paul. The "man of sin" represents the coming singular false-Messiah, and the "mystery of iniquity" Paul said was already at work represents the "many antichrists".

[shepherdsword]

Later on at Matt.24:23-26, the context there is actually about a 'singular' false-Christ, not many "false Christs" like the KJV translators have it. Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance defined Greek pseudochristos there in Matt.24:24 as 'a spurious Messiah'. And the actual context of the Matt.24:23 & 26 verses is the singular tense about that false-Messiah.

The "Christs" in Matt 24:24 is "pseudóChristoi". It is plural in the original greek text, so "Christs" is not a KJV invention. You are misunderstanding Strong. He is referring that any false christ is spurious, not that the plural term really means singular. If he did, that would be error.

[Aijalon]

The seven seals and how they relate to Matthew 24:

1)white horse rider(Mt 24 "many shall come in my name saying I am anointed(Christ)24:5
2)red horse rider who takes peace from the earth(wars and rumors of wars)24:6
3)Black horse rider who measures food (famines in different places)24:7
4)Pale(Green) horse rider is death and hell follows kills 1/3 with disease and war(pestilences)24:7
5)Under the alter thos who died for Jesus(they shall deliver you up)24:9
6)eathquakes,sun becomes black,moon becomes as blood(compare with Mt 24)Isa 2:19 men hiding in the holes of the rocks and in caves(joel 2:31)24:29
7)silence in heaven(because Jesus is returning with his angels and heaven is empty)24:30

What say ye?

1) The white horseman is the Pax Romana, a time of peace created by the military success of the Roman Empire. 
2) The red horseman is great blooshed caused by perpetual imperial warfare.  The West and East Roman Empires faught for 1000 years, and many great wars have come since.
3) The black horse brings famine and economic destruction.   History shows that feudalism spread across the globe, taking land and wealtha away from the working class and making slaves of many people and wages were barely enough to live on, and this is the case still today for many areas of the world.
4)  the pale horse!  This is nothing other than flu, diseases, plague, and death by sickness.   Pandemics, epidemics and viruses have plagues the world ever since the black death killed 1/4 of the world's population at the time this horseman was released on the earth!
5)  Persecution of the saints!   The onset of church chism and the protestant reformation is enough for me to show that this seal was opened long ago.  Christian faith in the one true God Yaweh has been persecuted to the death ever since then!   Even the CHRUCH persecutes the saints!  Just look up the Spanish Iquisition.
6) The weather.... let's just say... the spiritual weather after the other 5 seals has not been good.  The mountains are spiritual strongholds, yes?  So what has occured after the church fractured?    A big political shift to the humanistic side... rebellion against God's social order!  all TYPES of people are now against God (kings, generals, mighty men....) but that's not enoug... the world has seen celestial signs!  Comets and heavenly indications of the end times!  (Lulin?, Haley's comet?.... look them up!  WHen did thse start being seen?)
7) 'nuf said!

[davy]

For those interested concerning the KJV mistranslation of "false Christs" in Matthew 24:24, Dr. James Strong defined it as a SINGULAR FALSE MESSIAH. There is NO mistaking his definition...


NT:5580
pseudochristos (psyoo-dokh'-ris-tos); from NT:5571 and NT:5547; a spurious Messiah:

KJV - false Christ.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006, 2010 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)


So one claiming I misunderstand Dr. James Strong needs reading glasses, for Dr. Strong defined it to mean "a spurious Messiah", and that means SINGULAR TENSE, not plural.



Thayers Greek dictionary also has it to mean 'a' singular false Messiah.

NT:5580 pseudochristos, pseudochristou, ho

a false Christ (or Messiah) (one who falsely lays claim to the name and office of the Messiah): Matt 24:24
(from Thayer's Greek Lexicon, Electronic Database. Copyright © 2000, 2003, 2006 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)

In modern Interlinear Greek versions and in many Greek NT manuscripts it may very well be rendered as pseudochristoi (plural).

But Strong's has the Greek as pseudochristos, likewise Thayer's does also.

This suggests that not all New Testament Greek manuscripts have pseudechristoi.

Also, the CONTEXT of the Matthew 24:23 and Matthew 24:26 verses are SINGULAR TENSE. Lord Jesus was not talking about the idea of the "many antichrists", but the idea of the Antichrist, singular.

Furthermore, the SINGULAR tense of Apostle Paul's and Apostle John's warnings about that coming false Messiah per 2 Thessalonians 2 and Revelation 13:11 forward, also aligns with the singular tense idea Jesus spoke with the Matthew 24:23 and Matthew 24:26 verses.

Thus solely relying upon the Greek word pseudechristoi being plural while disregarding all the other Biblical evidence is simply the method of have blinders on.

[shepherdsword]

For those interested concerning the KJV mistranslation of "false Christs" in Matthew 24:24, Dr. James Strong defined it as a SINGULAR FALSE MESSIAH. There is NO mistaking his definition...


NT:5580
pseudochristos (psyoo-dokh'-ris-tos); from NT:5571 and NT:5547; a spurious Messiah:

KJV - false Christ.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006, 2010 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)


So one claiming I misunderstand Dr. James Strong needs reading glasses, for Dr. Strong defined it to mean "a spurious Messiah", and that means SINGULAR TENSE, not plural.



Thayers Greek dictionary also has it to mean 'a' singular false Messiah.

NT:5580 pseudochristos, pseudochristou, ho

a false Christ (or Messiah) (one who falsely lays claim to the name and office of the Messiah): Matt 24:24
(from Thayer's Greek Lexicon, Electronic Database. Copyright © 2000, 2003, 2006 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)

In modern Interlinear Greek versions and in many Greek NT manuscripts it may very well be rendered as pseudochristoi (plural).

But Strong's has the Greek as pseudochristos, likewise Thayer's does also.

This suggests that not all New Testament Greek manuscripts have pseudechristoi.

Also, the CONTEXT of the Matthew 24:23 and Matthew 24:26 verses are SINGULAR TENSE. Lord Jesus was not talking about the idea of the "many antichrists", but the idea of the Antichrist, singular.

Furthermore, the SINGULAR tense of Apostle Paul's and Apostle John's warnings about that coming false Messiah per 2 Thessalonians 2 and Revelation 13:11 forward, also aligns with the singular tense idea Jesus spoke with the Matthew 24:23 and Matthew 24:26 verses.

Thus solely relying upon the Greek word pseudechristoi being plural while disregarding all the other Biblical evidence is simply the method of have blinders on.

The word "Christos" in Matt 24:4 is singular. However, the text says MANY will come in His name claiming they are "anointed"

Mt 24:4-5
And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. For many(plural) shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ;(singular) and shall deceive many.

The "Christs" in Matt 24:24 is "pseudóChristoi". It is plural in the original greek text, so "Christs" is not a KJV invention. You are misunderstanding Strong. He is referring that any false christ is spurious, not that the plural term really means singular. If he did, that would be error.

[Athanasius]

For those interested concerning the KJV mistranslation of "false Christs" in Matthew 24:24, Dr. James Strong defined it as a SINGULAR FALSE MESSIAH. There is NO mistaking his definition...


NT:5580
pseudochristos (psyoo-dokh'-ris-tos); from NT:5571 and NT:5547; a spurious Messiah:

KJV - false Christ.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006, 2010 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)


So one claiming I misunderstand Dr. James Strong needs reading glasses, for Dr. Strong defined it to mean "a spurious Messiah", and that means SINGULAR TENSE, not plural.


Thayers Greek dictionary also has it to mean 'a' singular false Messiah.

NT:5580 pseudochristos, pseudochristou, ho

a false Christ (or Messiah) (one who falsely lays claim to the name and office of the Messiah): Matt 24:24
(from Thayer's Greek Lexicon, Electronic Database. Copyright © 2000, 2003, 2006 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)

In modern Interlinear Greek versions and in many Greek NT manuscripts it may very well be rendered as pseudochristoi (plural).

But Strong's has the Greek as pseudochristos, likewise Thayer's does also.

This suggests that not all New Testament Greek manuscripts have pseudechristoi.

Also, the CONTEXT of the Matthew 24:23 and Matthew 24:26 verses are SINGULAR TENSE. Lord Jesus was not talking about the idea of the "many antichrists", but the idea of the Antichrist, singular.

Furthermore, the SINGULAR tense of Apostle Paul's and Apostle John's warnings about that coming false Messiah per 2 Thessalonians 2 and Revelation 13:11 forward, also aligns with the singular tense idea Jesus spoke with the Matthew 24:23 and Matthew 24:26 verses.

Thus solely relying upon the Greek word pseudechristoi being plural while disregarding all the other Biblical evidence is simply the method of have blinders on.

ψευδόχριστος is the masculine singular. ψευδόχριστοι, which is what we read in Matthew 24:24, is the nominative masculine plural (also in Mark 13:22). You're appealing to the wrong form of the word (which you yourself note in passing).

Feel free to suggest a manuscript that doesn't use ψευδόχριστοι.