Do you know then God of Jesus?

[meshak]

No one is dancing.

You've been given plenty of scriptural evidence

I know very well you have been showing plenty of scriptures and all of them are unrelated to what I show you about what Jesus Jesus says.

You can bring up all those kinds of unrelated verses until the cows come home.

 you can run but you cannot hide it, friend.

I will show you another one that you cannot rebuttal and have been dismissing.

[meshak]

Jesus answered:

28 One of the teachers of the law came and heard them debating. Noticing that Jesus had given them a good answer, he asked him, “Of all the commandments, which is the most important?”

29 “The most important one,” answered Jesus, “is this: ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.[e] 30 Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind and with all your strength.’[f]

Mark 12:28-30.

You see, Jesus clearly states that God is one.

Yet you guys changed to God is triune. and Jesus is God.

If you dismiss Lord's the most important commandment, there is no salvation because Jesus is the Lord.  His commandments go, not any man-made amendments.

You cannot pass those verses and that's the reason why you guys have been dancing around over and over.

I pray that you will not close this thread or ban me because you cannot refute Jesus' simple and clear statement.

blessings.

[RabbiKnife]

Nothing you have said refutes the biblical doctrine of the Trinity.

You deny the deity of Jesus.

Which means that you remain in your sin, captive to man’s religion.

[RabbiKnife]

Trinity also means that God is one.

You have been taught a lie and you will follow that lie straight into hell

How do you know that “the words of Jesus” that you hold to be supreme to the rest for God’s Word were even spoken by Jesus!?

[meshak]

Trinity also means that God is one.

Here you go, making up your own doctrine without Jesus' word.

so sad.

I will not take the bait to switch my point.

[RabbiKnife]

What church do you belong to?
What elders hold you accountable?

[meshak]

What church do you belong to?
What elders hold you accountable?

I am accountable to God and Jesus, not any man or organization.

here is the verse you have been dismissing telling me that I dont quote the scripture:

Matthew 7:13-14
The Narrow and Wide Gates
“Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

[RabbiKnife]

How do you know Jesus said that?

He didn’t write it down.

[Athanasius]

You see, you need to explain why you think John 20:17 is a problem for Trinitarian doctrine. You do understand the doctrine you disagree with, don't you?

It is a problem because you dismiss Jesus' simple Truth.

You are dismissing the fact that Jesus is the Lord of all His followers.

No, that verse is perfectly situated in Trinitarian doctrine. Are you going to reply to the questions I asked or drone on in further "you are ignoring", "you are dismissing", nonsense?

[meshak]

How do you know Jesus said that?

He didn’t write it down.

I referenced it.

You dont believe what Jesus said in the NT?

All His words are written in the NT, Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and the Revelation.

You dont seem to be reading the NT.

So sad.

Without knowing what Jesus says you cannot obtain salvation, friend.

Jesus says "I am the way, and the Truth and the life.  No one comes to the Father except through Me".

Since you dont seem to be reading Jesus' word, I will bring the reference.  So you don't claim I don't quote the scripture.

[meshak]

How do you know Jesus said that?

He didn’t write it down.

Here is the scripture that Jesus says:

John 14:6
Jesus answered, “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

[meshak]

No, that verse is perfectly situated in Trinitarian doctrine.

You continually misuse the verse to suit your man-made doctrine.

You still cannot refute Jessus' simple and clear statement of His and His Father's identity.

Not even a good try.

It is getting old, friend.

Your claims are all dismissing Jesus' own word.

I will repeat since you think you can get away with your tactics.

Jesus says God is one and His Father is Jesus' God and our God.

Jesus does not say God is triune as you guys are continually fighting against.

I will bring the verse of what Jesus says so you don't claim I don't quote the verses.

You have been claiming I don't quote the verses which is so dishonest.

[meshak]

You see, you need to explain why you think John 20:17 is a problem for Trinitarian doctrine. You do understand the doctrine you disagree with, don't you?

It is a problem because you dismiss Jesus' simple Truth.

You are dismissing the fact that Jesus is the Lord of all His followers.

No, that verse is perfectly situated in Trinitarian doctrine. Are you going to reply to the questions I asked or drone on in further "you are ignoring", "you are dismissing", nonsense?

Here is what Jesus says which you have been skipping over and over and over:


John 20:17
Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

Jesus clearly says His Father is His God.

God is one so Jesus cannot be God.

It is so clear that your claims are so distorted.

[Athanasius]

No, that verse is perfectly situated in Trinitarian doctrine.

You continually misuse the verse to suit your man-made doctrine.

You still cannot refute Jessus' simple and clear statement of His and His Father's identity.

Not even a good try.

It is getting old, friend.

Your claims are all dismissing Jesus' own word.

I will repeat since you think you can get away with your tactics.

Jesus says God is one and His Father is Jesus' God and our God.

Jesus does not say God is triune as you guys are continually fighting against.

I will bring the verse of what Jesus says so you don't claim I don't quote the verses.

You have been claiming I don't quote the verses which is so dishonest.

Again, I ask:

- How do these verses defeat the doctrine of the Trinity (while being consonant with the rest of Scripture)?
- Do you understand the doctrine you're opposing? It seems like you don't.

It seems like you don't because the doctrine of the Trinity does not teach tritheism and thus maintains that God is one. I'm sure you've heard it before, "One God in three persons"?

You see, you need to explain why you think John 20:17 is a problem for Trinitarian doctrine. You do understand the doctrine you disagree with, don't you?

It is a problem because you dismiss Jesus' simple Truth.

You are dismissing the fact that Jesus is the Lord of all His followers.

No, that verse is perfectly situated in Trinitarian doctrine. Are you going to reply to the questions I asked or drone on in further "you are ignoring", "you are dismissing", nonsense?

Here is what Jesus says which you have been skipping over and over and over:

John 20:17
Jesus said, “Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.’”

Jesus clearly says His Father is His God.

God is one so Jesus cannot be God.

It is so clear that your claims are so distorted.

Again, this is one verse theology where I'm asking for consonance with the rest of Scripture (e.g. John 8 ).

And again, it's abundantly clear that you have no idea what the doctrine of the Trinity actually says. Of course God is one, but what does that have to do with claims concerning incarnation, hypostases, the economy of the Godhead, etc.?

Keep up with the "distorted claims" garbage and you'll find you got rid of yourself.

[meshak]

Again, I ask:

- How do these verses defeat the doctrine of the Trinity (while being consonant with the rest of Scripture)?
- Do you understand the doctrine you're opposing? It seems like you don't.

I am not interested in what Jesus did not teach.

there is no such thing as the doctrine of the trinity in God's word.

So your teachings are meaningless.