Why was Moses not allowed to enter the promised land?

[Fenris]

Jesus and the NT didn't change what Moses wrote.

Well they certainly reinterpreted it.

Mohammed and the Quaran did.

And yet in some ways, Islam is closer to Judaism than Christianity is. Which is interesting.

[journeyman]

Well they certainly reinterpreted it.

And yet in some ways, Islam is closer to Judaism than Christianity is. Which is interesting.

Maybe it's because Mohammed denied the NT also.

[Athanasius]

I haven't been following this discussion. Let me know if I need to step in.

[Fenris]

Maybe it's because Mohammed denied the NT also.

Well not all of it. For example, unlike Jews, they believe Jesus was a prophet.

[journeyman]

Well not all of it. For example, unlike Jews, they believe Jesus was a prophet.

They say they do, but they don't, because Jesus predicted he would rise from death and Islam denies that.
Also, Jesus affirmed a Torah which speaks of Gods' people coming from Isaac, not Ishmael as the Quaran states.
Why bother resorting to the logic that 500 years after Jesus and far longer than Moses.....tada, the Quaran is here to tell us all about it.

[Fenris]

resorting to the logic that 500 years after Jesus and far longer than Moses.....tada, the Quaran is here to tell us all about it.

I dunno, it's all after the fact to me.

[journeyman]

I dunno, it's all after the fact to me.

Oh the yarns they could tell. 😊

[Quantrill]

This subject of Moses not being allowed to enter the promised land is very important for believers, whether in the Old or New Testament. 

Why?  Because Moses, when he struck the Rock, put Christ to an open shame.  (Heb. 6:6)

The New Testament is clear.  Christ was that Rock. (1 Cor. 10:4) The smiting of the Rock was legitimate the first time as it speaks to Christ's being smitten.  (Ex. 17:6)  But later, Moses was told to 'speak' to the Rock.  And he didn't.  He smote it again, twice.  (Num. 20:11)  Moses therefore 'crucified to himself the Son of God afresh'. (Heb. 6:6)

This places Moses in the category of (Heb. 6:4-6), of those who were enlightened but have fallen away.  And these verses are used by many to show that believers can lose their salvation.   Well, is there any believer out there that believes Moses lost his salvation?   Of course not. 

Therefore (Heb. 6:4-6) is not talking about going to the eternal state of Heaven.  It is about not being allowed to go forward in the salvation that you have here.  It is serious, of course.  But, not a loss of eternal salvation with God.

Quantrill

[Sojourner]

The obvious: Moses didn't follow instructions. The higher a spiritual plane a person is on, the more exacting the judgement.

Or as Jesus put it, "to whom much is given, much will be required."  To us, the punishment seems a little harsh for the offense, but God's standards and perspective are light years above ours. Still, God at least let Moses see the land from afar before he died.

(In Moses' defense, he didn't want the job in the first place, and at 120, and was probably getting a little cranky).

In the final analysis, after all he accomplished for God, it may simply have been time to retire him and let Joshua take the reigns of leadership.

[Sojourner]

Not to deviate from the current topic, but we might recall that God stopped just short of actually killing Moses for neglecting to circumcise his son. Punishment doesn't get much harsher than that.

[Quantrill]

The obvious: Moses didn't follow instructions. The higher a spiritual plane a person is on, the more exacting the judgement.

Or as Jesus put it, "to whom much is given, much will be required."  To us, the punishment seems a little harsh for the offense, but God's standards and perspective are light years above ours. Still, God at least let Moses see the land from afar before he died.

(In Moses' defense, he didn't want the job in the first place, and at 120, and was probably getting a little cranky).

In the final analysis, after all he accomplished for God, it may simply have been time to retire him and let Joshua take the reigns of leadership.

Moses didn't want to just 'see' the land.  He wanted to go into the land. 

It doesn't matter that Moses didn't want the job in the first place.  And, Moses was ill tempered all of his life.  Remember the Egyptian he killed before fleeing into the wilderness?

No, it was not just a matter of retirement.  Moses sinned against God.  As a result God did not allow him into the promised land.

Quantrill

[Rebecca]

Jesus and the NT didn't change what Moses wrote.

Well they certainly reinterpreted it.

Mohammed and the Quaran did.

And yet in some ways, Islam is closer to Judaism than Christianity is. Which is interesting.

Yes Islam is closer to Judaism then Christianity.  Jews and Muslems are cousins. Generational  sons of Abraham.

[Fenris]

Yes Islam is closer to Judaism then Christianity.  Jews and Muslems are cousins. Generational  sons of Abraham.

No. Jews and Arabs are cousins. Not Muslims. My point is about the religion itself, not the people who follow it.

[Rebecca]

Correct .   I get the words mixed up way to often.

[DavidGYoung]

Where in the New Testament is the source of this claim, where 'the rock' refers to the one Moses struck?

"The NT says the rock was symbolic of the Messiah."