Did Jesus worship a God?

[theMadJW]

[RandyPNW]

Jesus was God, and he embraced God as both the origin of his revelation and his Father in heaven. Jesus was an expression of God's word. And that word was a portrait of who God is in the form of a man.

I wouldn't say that as a man he worshiped "a" God. I would say that he worshiped "the" one and only God, from whom he had emerged as His revealed Son.

It is a worship of His own Deity, but only in the sense of God's word submitting to the God who issued that word.

[theMadJW]

"Jesus was God"= Jesus said OTHERWISE (John 17:3)
"HI wouldn't say that as a man he worshiped "a" God. I would say that he worshiped "the" one and only God. He worshiped his one only only God. Not Three.
"He embraced God as both the origin of his revelation and "His Father in heaven"- He did, >>> NOT <<<  Himself, or Themselves (don't forget the Holy 'Ghost')
"It is a worship of His own Deity". - So NOW your changing that he didn't worship, but that he worshiped HIMSELF!




The easiest way to destroy a fake teaching of Churchianity is by trying to it!

[RandyPNW]

No, Trinitarian distinctions are not a matter of comparing one kind of physical element with another kind of physical element. Divine substance is transcendent and before creation. We cannot compare the Trinity except by comparing their positions relative to one another. They share the same divine substance, and the Son obtains the addition of his human physical substance. The Spirit is known by His appearances within the finite universe, even though He encompasses all of space. You can't speak, however, about things you don't actually experience. When you experience the Deity in Jesus, then you will understand. As Jesus said, "When you see me, you also see the Father."

John 1.18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.
John 14.9 Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father.

[theMadJW]

You sink into clergyman-speak, completely unrelated to the Bible.

[RabbiKnife]

Very good.

Please explain the following, in your own words, not in the clergy speak you learned two Saturday's ago at the Kingdom Hall.

1 ἐν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ λόγος, καὶ ὁ λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν θεόν, καὶ θεὸς ἦν ὁ λόγος.

2 οὖτος ἦν ἐν ἀρχῇ πρὸς τὸν θεόν.

[theMadJW]

I don't speak Greek- and these words are from JESUS...

[RabbiKnife]

Ah, yeah.

Jesus didn't speak English.  The language wasn't developed for a good 1000+ years later, and even then, neither you nor I could read Old English/Anglo-Saxon/Pict/Welsh/ etc very well.

So, Jesus didn't speak those words in the Watchtower Translation.  He spoke koine greek or Aramaic, so, well.   The words in your original post are not the words of Jesus, but the words of a translator working from the original Koine Greek.

So, yeah, the Greek is really important, there.  That's John 1:1-2

[theMadJW]

So, you disregard his words, and read John 1:1 as "Jesus was with Jesus and Jesus was Jesus"?

[Athanasius]

So, you disregard his words, and read John 1:1 as "Jesus was with Jesus and Jesus was Jesus"?

Why are you translating λόγος and θεόν/θεὸς both as Jesus?

[theMadJW]

Why do you quote Greek?
To show onlookers how SMART you are?

[RabbiKnife]

Probably not, although he is very smart.

No, because he has spent the time to understand the language in which the New Testament was originally written so that he can point out the defects in attempts to turn Jesus into a created being who is less than co-equal with God the Father and God the Holy Spirit.

There is nothing arrogant or condescending in that effort.  Truth is the ultimate goal, wouldn't you agree?

I mean, if one wants to know God, all we can know of Him is that which He has condescended to reveal to us through His written Word, correct? 

[theMadJW]

Correct!
But you need to re-phrase all the words of Christ to show a 'Trinity'.

[RabbiKnife]

No, one has to mistranslate all the words of Christ and the rest of the New Testament to lower Jesus to the status of a created being.

[theMadJW]

Such as the one God and Christ came up with tp help the Jews understand: "son"?
EVERY Jew knows what a "son" is!

Not churchoids.