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It looks like a pretty little town, too. Gilmore Girlsish

Natalie Zacharenko....better known as: Natalie Wood

Fenris is our dear friend,

I think that's the kiss emoji?

and though he does not live in Berea

I don't even know where it is!

Quote from: watchinginawe on March 19, 2025, 10:16:08 AM

This all gets to the faith vs works "argument" between Protestantism and Catholicism. Works play an important role in maintaining one's good standing with the Catholic church wherein one is "saved". In Protestantism, one's salvation is through faith and managed primarily with God. This is just a sliver of the real issues at hand, but most are familiar with this.

And this seems to me to be the real weakness of Catholicism. We can all agree that Judaism is a "works based" (although I prefer the term "rules based" ) religion.

If Christianity is a truly break from Judaism, why then did the Catholic church introduce new rules?  Why not just leave the old rules in place then?

This is of course the famous point of The Apostle Paul's to the Galatians.

Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
2 Behold, I Paul say unto you, that if ye be circumcised, Christ shall profit you nothing.
3 For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the whole law.
4 Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.
5 For we through the Spirit wait for the hope of righteousness by faith.
6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love.

This was Paul's argument against requiring the Gentiles to be circumcised and converted to Judaism as part of receiving Christ. Paul said to do so would make Christ then of "no effect unto you" since they put their faith aside to justify themselves with works.

The determination that Gentile converts did not need to be brought under The Law was proclaimed at the Council of Jerusalem. This is recorded in Acts 15 and The Apostle Paul triumphed over the Judaizers.

I think Paul's primary concern as an Apostle was the Gospel and keeping it (the preaching, the practice, etc.) from dilutive influences. But most of this became directed towards gentile converts while the other Apostles largely directed themselves towards Jewish converts.

You make a good point regarding the comparison between Jewish religion and Catholicism. I kind of made a soft point about this in our discussion above but didn't want to press the point. The Jews observe Yom Kippur annually and thus have to continually atone. This is clearly stated in the Bible as well, the Jews were to continually make atonement, and as you suggest a religion of rules to be followed to practice the religion result, all (maybe not all) with Biblical precedent.

Catholicism kind of fell (from a Protestant's view) into Paul's trap of tradition and a religion with rules (another Protestant objection) takes hold. This is another great point of Protestantism as they hold that the Bible (Scripture) is the sole and final authority for all matters of faith and conduct of the believer whereas tradition of the church is additive to the Scripture in Catholicism. Interestingly, Jewish religion probably holds close to Scripture as the final authority as well. Or does it?

Quote from: davy on March 19, 2025, 09:47:54 AM

Quote from: RabbiKnife on March 18, 2025, 07:20:14 PM

If you aren’t going to be friends with Fennicus you can’t be friends with me either.  Fendrick is my JooHomey fo’ shizzle.  And he has a space laser.  Beware the space laser, nu?

Seriously Wavy Davy.   Start with the silliness and you’ll find the door.    We don’t call people names, smoke or chew or go with girls who do.

And passive aggressive “I CANT SEE YOU BECAUSE IM IGNORING YOU” works with a 3 year old but around here, meh, not so much.

When you try to debate (silly abbot, kicks are for trids ), with a conservative devout child of Abraham, you should not be surprised to get push back to your HalLindseyJohnHagee hyper dispensational interpretation of the Torah, the Prophets, and the Writings or Matthew 24

Fenris be ahite…. I’m jiggy wid it.

Meshugenah shalom and far out.

Thanks for saving me the time. I'll add you to my IGNORE LIST also.

I consider that a great honor.

It seems Davy has chosen to ignore the whole forum because...
hmm...
...it's a forum, not a pulpit.

Huh.