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Let me get this straight. You're all coming at me like wolves, just for saying that according to scripture from Jesus, we should learn Jesus' commands and obey them?

I point to what Jesus said, and you point to what humans said? Who is our God? Paul, Priscilla, ...? Or Jesus the Christ? Which teaching are you following first and foremost?

1 John‬ ‭2:4‬
“The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and yet doesn’t keep His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.”
John 14:15
“If you love me, keep my commands.

Matthew 18:20
Jesus said: "For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them."

Which one of these you want to override with what Paul said?

I don't know why I keep looking and coming back. I care too much I guess.

@DavidGYoung
Which part of these clear words of Jesus am I crow-baring at you? And what is this unknown reference you speak of "the context of Second-Temple Judaism". And how important is that reference when compared to the clear words of Jesus here?
Did you read the details of Jesus words here below? If you didn't look at His details here below, then I understand why you're still disputing.


"Your Kingdom Come" in the Lord's Prayer means "Give us the Holy Spirit"
Supporting references:

Luke 17:21 Jesus: "...the kingdom of God is within you."
Luke‬ ‭18‬:‭17‬ “Truly I tell you, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.”
In this verse, Jesus used the term "kingdom of God" with 2 distinct meanings: (1) Something we receive - the Holy Spirit, and (2) a place to enter.

Jesus explained it a few verses after His prayer in Luke:
Luke 11:13
Jesus said: "If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!
Notes: This part, "...your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!" is a clear reference to the "your kingdom come" in the Lord's Prayer a few verses before; Jesus in this verse was continuing His explanation of His Prayer in Luke 11:2-4.

@Athanasius
I do appreciate your kindness, but which of the 41000 church denominations should I attend? I stopped attending for that reason. Paul's directive was based on all being of one sound doctrine based on the teachings of Jesus Christ. I don't see that right teaching in any of the churches, and I explain the specifics of what I mean.

The Bible words are very clear. I always provide several references supporting my points, not just twisting a verse here and there.
1 Timothy‬ ‭6‬:‭2‬-‭3
Paul: "These are the things you are to teach and insist on. If anyone teaches otherwise and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, they are conceited and understand nothing."

I would love to attend and gather with other true believers, who are keeping Jesus Christ's commands. But where are they? You want me to go stand in church and pray Hail Mary with the rest? Like a pagan religion? Or go stand in church and remain quiet about "by faith alone" and nothing nothing nothing nothing nothing else, except waving hands and loud music? Like a pagan religion?

Christian means Christ's commands. All of His commands:
1 John‬ ‭2:4‬
“The one who says, “I have come to know Him,” and yet doesn’t keep His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.”
John 14:15-16
[Jesus:] “If you love me, keep my commands. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever.
Matthew 28:19
Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, ... and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you.

@RabbiKnife, which of the above verses did I twist to my perverted ways? That you so adamantly refuse to look at my website?

I gather with family and friends at either our house, or at a public venue, like a conference room in hotel, or a restaurant outdoor. And I do look at many internet writeups that other people wrote. Some of these sources have good parts in them, in line with the Bible.


At this point, I am claiming Matthew 10:14 and leaving. Because I don't wish to debate, especially those who are only interested in defending their church.
You know how to reach me, on my website: https://www.realbiblestudy.org. Or email me your genuine "seeking God" questions at, christian.believer144@gmail.com.


And leaving this thread with these notes:

What's in it for me? Certainly not asking for recognition nor financial gains through donations. 2 Corinthians‬ ‭2‬:‭17‬: "Unlike so many, we do not peddle the word of God for profit. On the contrary, in Christ we speak before God with sincerity...” ‭ I am strictly doing this driven by love for God and all people on earth.

Not criticizing those who do rely on this as source of income through donations. But TEACH THE CORRECT WORD OF GOD FROM THE BIBLE!
This is not an earthly political party side-choosing. You can be loyal to your political party all you want. But God? It is your eternal status we're talking about. Jesus commanded to keep seeking Him. He is not simple to figure out by elders, or churches, who developed their individual cookie-cutters and preaching it to people, as obvious in today's loud and confused multitudes.

And also remember this. The Jewish Sanhedrin council (the approved elders of the Jewish people), unanimously voted to crucify Jesus. They were so detached from their Torah teachings, blinded by their esteemed status in the community and their way of life, that they chose to crucify Jesus to make Him disappear from bothering them! Despite knowing He was the Messiah!

@DavidGYoung

"Your Kingdom Come" in the Lord's Prayer means "Give us the Holy Spirit"
Supporting references:

Luke 17:21 Jesus: "...the kingdom of God is within you."
Luke‬ ‭18‬:‭17‬ “Truly I tell you, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it.”
In this verse, Jesus used the term "kingdom of God" with 2 distinct meanings: (1) Something we receive - the Holy Spirit, and (2) a place to enter.

Jesus explained it a few verses after His prayer in Luke:
Luke 11:13
Jesus said: "If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!
Notes: This part, "...your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!" is a clear reference to the "your kingdom come" in the Lord's Prayer a few verses before; Jesus in this verse was continuing His explanation of His Prayer in Luke 11:2-4.

@Athanasius

Yes I am the author

The majority of Christians today are not true Christians, because they're running Christianity their way, not God's way.

Most "Christians" today are one of these:

- Praying to Mary and saints to intercede.
   They don't know God!

- "By faith alone" - ignoring Jesus' commands
   Don't know the other side of the Bible!

- God already mysteriously selected people.
   They don't know God!

No wonder there is no peace on earth, which is also why Jewish people are mocking us and are still waiting for the "true messiah" to come!!

What gives me the right to say this? Direct orders from the Apostle Paul in the Bible:
‭‭2 Timothy‬ ‭4‬:‭2-‭4
Paul: "I give you this charge: Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear."

We have without a doubt reached that time! And I am rebuking and correcting!!

Fasting is an act of humbleness and worship towards God. It is similar to kneeling when praying the Lord's Prayer daily.
Fasting is not purification. Jesus already did that for us. Nothing to add.
Fasting is humbling ourselves before God, out of love. It is not works of the flesh.