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But what about Roman 8 where the spirit prays for us and intercedes for us?  Your hyper liberalization is leading you into denigrating the spirit

But how does the Spirit make intercessions for us when He cannot utter His own prayers but speak what He hears?

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.  KJV

All Bible versions testifies to this truth but not every Bible version aligns Romans 8:26-27 to that truth, but I will refer to the KJV out of those few Bibles that do.

Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. KJV

Verse 26 use the term "itself" to infer that the mind of the Holy Spirit will be serving as a means to how His intercessions are known to God the Father since the Holy Spirit cannot even utter His groanings. In verse 27, this "he" is separate from us in searching our hearts and therefore separate from the Spirit to know the mind of is how the intercessions of the Spirit's are known to the Father because the Son knows the mind of the Spirit to give the Spirit's unspoken intercessions to the Father which is in according to the will of God because of there being only one Mediator between God and men,  so when the Father agrees with any intercession, be it ours, the Spirit's. or the Son's, the Son answers the prayers so the Father may be glorified in the Son for answers to prayers.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me......
13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
 
Modern day tongue speakers that uses Romans 8:26-27 as if supporting praying in tongues are not realizing from John 16:13 in their Bible version that the Holy Spirit cannot turn God's gift of tongues around for His own use in uttering His prayers back to God.  Indeed, Matthew 6:7-8 proves there is no necessity for that kind of prayer and indeed cannot be of Him at all when the Father knows before we even ask Him.

Romans 8:26-27 is for every believer to know how the Father knows everything before we ask Him as Jesus searches our hearts & knows the mind of the Spirit.

This three witness stuff is pure poppycock

There don’t have to be three witnesses for God to prove anything

Note the emphasis for establishing or confirming a testimony or for rebuking anyone.

Matthew 18:15 Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.
16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.

2 Corinthians 13:1This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

1 Timothy 5:19 Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.
20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

That is how it is in the O.T.  His word has not changed.

Deuteronomy 17:6 At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is worthy of death be put to death; but at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death.

Deuteronomy 19:15 One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.

Anyway, as God commands of men, will He be found a hypocrite?  No!  As God commands of men, so does He do as the Triune God.

I know it is on God to cause the increase since it is not in my power nor ability to convince any one of the truth in His words.

1 Corinthians 3:5 Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man?
6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.
7 So then neither is he that planteth any thing, neither he that watereth; but God that giveth the increase.

2 Corinthians 3:4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:
5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;
6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

2 Corinthians 4:5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.
6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

May God bless you & keep you.  May He shine His face upon you and give you His peace.

I fear that you feel somewhat of a martyr complex, feeling that you, like Elijah, are the sole and remaining DefenderOfGodTM.  Rest assured that there are 7000 more here in Israel that have not bowed the knee to Baal.

I can't prove that Jesus is God by use of a single Bible verse wherein God says "Jesus is God", because no verse says "Jesus is God" and attributes that phrase to God the Father as the speaker or author.  We learn the truth of Jesus' deity from the witness of others by more importantly by inference and by comparing Scripture with Scripture.

The actual words, no, but Jesus did testified that He is God.  That is why He was crucified for;

John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.
30 I and my Father are one.
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
37 If I do not the works of my Father, believe me not.
38 But if I do, though ye believe not me, believe the works: that ye may know, and believe, that the Father is in me, and I in him.
39 Therefore they sought again to take him: but he escaped out of their hand,

Matthew 26:63 But Jesus held his peace, And the high priest answered and said unto him, I adjure thee by the living God, that thou tell us whether thou be the Christ, the Son of God.
64 Jesus saith unto him, Thou hast said: nevertheless I say unto you, Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.
65 Then the high priest rent his clothes, saying, He hath spoken blasphemy; what further need have we of witnesses? behold, now ye have heard his blasphemy.
66 What think ye? They answered and said, He is guilty of death.

As to worship?  Worship is not magic.  There is no formula or set of magic words that validate or invalidate worship.  Worship must be in spirit and in truth, not in formulae and form.  Worship is nothing more that recognizing value and worth in another.  In "worth scipe" we simply announce to all around the value that we place on the person being worshipped. 

For example.

a.  God the Father is God.
b.  God the Father is, therefore, Deity.
c.  Deity alone can be and must be worshipped.
d.  Therefore, it is proper to worship God the Father.

A.  The Holy Spirit is God.
B.  The Holy SPirit, therefore, is Deity.
c.  Deity alone can be and must be worshipped.
d.  Therefore, it is proper to worship God the Holy Spirit.

A.  Jesus Christ is God.
B.  Jesus Christ is, therefore, Deity.
c.  Deity alone can be and must be worshipped.
d.  Therefore, it is proper to worship God the Son.

Exact same logic, exact same result.

Paul stressed this as the mind of Christ we are to have in worship because this is the only way God the Father is glorified by.

Philippians 2:5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Jesus declared this truth as well.

John 13:31 Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him.
32 If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him.

If someone came up to you and had asked, "Where is the glory of the Father?"  What would you say?  I would say the glory of the Father is in His Son.

If someone came up to you and had asked, "Where is the glory of the Holy Spirit?"  What would you say then?  I would say the Holy Spirit seeks no glory for Himself but for the Son and thereby glorifying God the Father.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

How does the Holy Spirit fulfill His role to glorify the Son?  By testifying of Him thru us.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:
27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

Remember what Jesus said about false witnessing?

John 5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

How can the Holy Spirit lead saved believers to testify of Himself?  He cannot.  See why below.

John 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

If the Holy Spirit leads believers to testify of Himself in seeking His own glory, that would make unrighteousness in God, and so He would not lead believers to testify of Himself, the Holy Spirit in seeking His own glory when His job is to testify of the Son thru us in seeking the glory of the Son and by Him, the glory of God the Father.

If we were to be individual witness of the Son like Philip was to that Ethiopian eunuch at the end of Acts 8, the added witness of the Holy Spirit in Philip & in us would make our testimony of the Son true.

John 8:17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.

Now imagine Philip talking about the Holy Spirit in seeking the glory of the Holy Spirit.  Philip would not be led by the Spirit of Christ to do that.  Not happening.

But in these latter days, it seems believers have forgotten where the focus is in worship, fellowship, and prayer.

1 Corinthians 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

Did Paul talked about other issues?  Sure, but can it be said he sought the glory of something else in His name when addressing other issues?  No, Paul did not.

Neither will the indwelling Holy Spirit.

So what we are left with is addressing church's doctrine and practice for which scripture does not support but actually reproves because there is no other way to come to God the Father by except by the only way provided, the Son, and there is no other way to honor the Father except by only honoring the Son.

And scripture & the Holy Spirit in us is leading us to do that when we take heed to His words and narrow the way back to the straight gate to avoid being left behind.

Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.
29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.
30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.

Anyway, here is hoping that the Lord will enable us all to be patient and in meekness while addressing this issue as I know that the Lord will prune even the fruitful disciples so they can bear more fruit as we all are moving on to perfection by His grace & by His help.

John 15:1I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

Thank you for your participation.

May God bless you & keep you.  May He shine His face upon you & give you His peace.

Theology forum is about proving or reproving theology is why I had placed it here.

Does any one wish to prove the "practice of worshiping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son" by the scripture because I see none.

I know the Holy Spirit is God and One of the 3 Witnesses within the Godhead, but where is it taught to worship the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son?

I see Jesus specifying only Himself in how we can come to God the Father by.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

That leaves the Holy Spirit out as "Another Go To God" in coming to the Father by, even though the Holy Spirit is God but not Another way to the Father.

I see Jesus specifying how we will be judged in how we honor the Father by which is by only honoring the Son.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

That latter part of verse 23 leaves no wiggle room for worshiping the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son even though the Holy Spirit is God, but not Another way to honor the Father by.

Why?

All I can discern with Him is what I see in the world in how sinners worship spirits and the spirits behind idols that the only way God can call them away from those spirits is to be reconciled to the Father by His Son.

The spirits of the antichrist, with antichrist meaning "instead of Christ" or to be more precise "instead of the Son", would take saved believers' eyes off of the Son in worship with their visitations of signs and lying wonders whereas the real indwelling Holy Ghost would never do that.  And so it is in practice in worship.

That is why even after salvation, all invitations is still pointing to the Son, the Bridegroom, in living this reconciled relationship with God the Father thru Jesus Christ.

I blame the creed for bringing that errant practice into the churches, but it is that errant practice that I see as not supported nor taught by scripture but reproved.

Thank you all for your patience & tolerance.  I understand that this is a hard topic & a lot of believers are uncomfortable with it, but my concerns are just & Biblical.

1 Peter 3:14 But and if ye suffer for righteousness' sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled;
15 But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
16 Having a good conscience; that, whereas they speak evil of you, as of evildoers, they may be ashamed that falsely accuse your good conversation in Christ.

Most forums would just ban me rather than answer the question, but I understand why they do it because there are no scripture teaching that practice, but there are scriptures for which I have shared for why there are no scripture for that practice.

I had hoped the Lord would use this forum for my edification & correction, or even confirmation of the truth I see in His words.

I am willing to wait, praying for the Lord to minister to me or for Him to cause the increase in what He has led me to share in these latter days where faith is hard to find.... and He seemed to paint a bleak picture of how bad it will be and seemingly is now in these latter days.

Luke 18:7 And shall not God avenge his own elect, which cry day and night unto him, though he bear long with them?
8 I tell you that he will avenge them speedily. Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?

If this thread is better suited for Controversial sub forum, so be it, but I figured it also falls under Theology since Theology should be proven & supported by scripture.