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Quote from: quiet dove on June 13, 2026, 03:01:58 PM

Are you saying it is really God's fault we sin, if Adam and Eve were indeed created imperfect?

God gave humanity free will. What humanity chooses to do with this free will is on them. There are those who ask "During the Holocaust, where was God?" But the question really should be, "During the Holocaust, where was man?"

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If God mad man imperfect, why the big deal over eating the from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil? Why would God have even bothered to tell Adam that particular tree was off limits?

If God made man imperfect, why bother even telling humanity to behave morally?

I agree that God created man with free will and what they choose, or we choose, to do with it is on them/us. But I believe God created man in sinlessness, or innocent. Created with free will and they could choose to believe Him and thus be obedient following His will, or they could believe another and eat the forbidden fruit. And when they did, they lost their innocence. And we are all Adams decedents. He and Eve produced like kind, just like it says in Genesis about all that God created. Each human being a choice, each one having been created with free will. We can choose to believe God our creator, or we can believe another.

The holocaust shows how absolutely evil a human being can be. There is no understanding the depths of the evil. Not unless someone is that evil themselves. I believe Occult beliefs and practices were involved and thus influenced to even deeper depths of evil. The Devil and all the fallen angels hate mankind but they particularly hate the Jewish people. If they can destroy Israel they think they can thwart God's plans. Since God called Abraham and through Abraham the nation of Israel was born, Satan has been trying to destroy Israel from the start. Even before that. Thats what I believe.

But I am probably off topic. My apologies to the OP.

My hope, joy, and sanity in this world, is knowing that by grace alone, by faith alone, in Christ alone,...someday this miserable, imperfect struggling, weak, sinner, will be resurrected in perfection. God just asked me to believe Him, and He took it from there. I know I can't do it, thats a fact.

If we keep sinning will Christ make us sinless at the end when we are changed 'in the twinkling of an eye'? Is this verse referring only to our mortal bodies of flesh, or also our sinful lives?

What does the Bible teach.

1Jn 2:28  And now, little children, abide in Him, that when He appears, we may have confidence and not be ashamed before Him at His coming.
1Jn 2:29  If you know that He is righteous, you know that everyone who practices righteousness is born of Him.
1Jn 3:1  Behold what manner of love the Father has bestowed on us, that we should be called children of God! Therefore the world does not know us, because it did not know Him.
1Jn 3:2  Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed,we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.
1Jn 3:3  And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure.

1Co 15:49  And as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man. 

Those in Christ Jesus are fully redeemed that would every part of us. We are stuck in these weak physical bodies for a time but when we are resurrected, no more weak physical bodies. No, that verse is not referring only to our physical bodies. Read it in context.

1Co 15:52  in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 
1Co 15:53  For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 
1Co 15:54  So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: "DEATH IS SWALLOWED UP IN VICTORY." 

Thank you!
 I hope folks find you here. It's awesome what you have done. Unfortunately I don't have much time either. Always working and pooped when I get home.

I clearly have not been to the old site in a very long time. I just have not had the time to get involved in good discussion. Work kinda frowns on that. But I am most happy that you have managed to get this up and running. I was not sure where I was but recognize some of the user names and glad my old one was available. I hope all are doing well. It has been an interesting 1.5 years for sure. BF still remains special in my heart.

You guys have been around so long you should be getting a pension....lol