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Other Categories => Controversial Issues => Topic started by: Reddogs on July 19, 2026, 07:44:59 AM
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The "National Sunday Law" doctrine is a belief held primarily by Seventh-day Adventists and puts forward that the United States government will eventually legislate nationwide Sunday observance. Now if we look at the current the United States Administration, we find it with many in the Cabinet that would agree with this view in the Cabinet, and we find that in his new book 'Communion', U.S. Vice President J.D. Vance openly writes, “I’ve supported blue laws,” while arguing that workers should be protected from Sunday labor so they can attend church and fulfil religious obligations. So its mandate as a national day of rest and worship, is definitely feasible in the U.S. which would result in the state forcing its citizens to honor a day not given in the Bible and clearly seen as setting aside God's commandment to keep the seventh-day Sabbath.
https://www.ncregister.com/features/communion-book-review
https://www.ncronline.org/news/trumps-catholic-cabinet-how-will-their-faith-shape-their-work
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1. Never happen. Our society runs 24/7. We stopped having even the vestiges of a “Christian” culture decades ago.
2. When you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
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1. Never happen. Our society runs 24/7. We stopped having even the vestiges of a “Christian” culture decades ago.
2. When you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
So when it happens, what will you say...?
https://www.history.com/articles/blue-laws-sunday
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It won't. You guys have an admin that make the admin in Idiocracy look positively clever.
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American society is moving away from religiosity, not towards it. Mind you, I think that's bad thing. But nonetheless, your point is moot.
https://www.ncregister.com/features/communion-book-review
I'm not a Vance fan, but you have to explain to me why people being "more Catholic" is a bad thing.
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The "National Sunday Law" doctrine is a belief held primarily by Seventh-day Adventists and puts forward that the United States government will eventually legislate nationwide Sunday observance. Now if we look at the current the United States Administration, we find it with many in the Cabinet that would agree with this view in the Cabinet, and we find that in his new book 'Communion', U.S. Vice President J.D. Vance openly writes, “I’ve supported blue laws,” while arguing that workers should be protected from Sunday labor so they can attend church and fulfil religious obligations. So its mandate as a national day of rest and worship, is definitely feasible in the U.S. which would result in the state forcing its citizens to honor a day not given in the Bible and clearly seen as setting aside God's commandment to keep the seventh-day Sabbath.
https://www.ncregister.com/features/communion-book-review
https://www.ncronline.org/news/trumps-catholic-cabinet-how-will-their-faith-shape-their-work
They had and have blue laws but that doesn't mean people will obey them. If we want to keep the Sabbath then why not just do it as the Jews did? Nothing prevents us from keeping it.
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If we want to keep the Sabbath then why not just do it as the Jews did?
As Jews did? Past tense?
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If we want to keep the Sabbath then why not just do it as the Jews did?
As Jews did? Past tense?
I had asked a Jew here how he kept the Sabbath, but he would not answer. Instead, he was waiting for a Christian.
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I had asked a Jew here how he kept the Sabbath, but he would not answer. Instead, he was waiting for a Christian.
Uh, I think you mean me.
Yeah, I know how to keep the Sabbath. I want to hear how an SDA keeps the Sabbath. Whether they are strictly "Christian' or not is not my place to say.
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I had asked a Jew here how he kept the Sabbath, but he would not answer. Instead, he was waiting for a Christian.
Uh, I think you mean me.
Yeah, I know how to keep the Sabbath. I want to hear how an SDA keeps the Sabbath. Whether they are strictly "Christian' or not is not my place to say.
I can speak on the account of did, meaning I read in the bible when they did at times. And from my perspective on the bible, this was The Lords commandment for them because they kept slaves. And The Lord would not bless them if they had mistreated and over worked their slaves. Because while they were in Egypt, and under the thumb of the Pharaohs, they were over worked and mistreated and The Lord had pity on them.
In America we do not have slaves legally, and so for many of us the only reason we would keep it would be to worship The Lord who commanded those things to the Israelites. But did they always remember it was so they would not mistreat others and over work them? I cannot say.
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It won't. You guys have an admin that make the admin in Idiocracy look positively clever.
Remember the old saying, 'Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.'
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I can speak on the account of did, meaning I read in the bible when they did at times. And from my perspective on the bible, this was The Lords commandment for them because they kept slaves. And The Lord would not bless them if they had mistreated and over worked their slaves. Because while they were in Egypt, and under the thumb of the Pharaohs, they were over worked and mistreated and The Lord had pity on them.
In America we do not have slaves legally, and so for many of us the only reason we would keep it would be to worship The Lord who commanded those things to the Israelites. But did they always remember it was so they would not mistreat others and over work them? I cannot say.
So... you think that the only reason that God commanded the Sabbath was to protect slaves?
The Sabbath is mentioned in Genesis 2, long before there were slaves. Or Jews for that matter.
Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.
By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.
And to see it as only existing in the context of slavery (which does exist) is to ignore verses like this:
Thus shall the children of Israel observe the Sabbath, to make the Sabbath throughout their generations as an everlasting covenant. Between Me and the children of Israel, it is forever a sign that in six days The Lord created the heaven and the earth, and on the seventh day He ceased and rested."
This seems to tie in the creation saga and God's eternal covenant with the children of Israel.
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Remember the old saying, 'Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.'
I much prefer the version "those who cannot remember their history are doomed to repeat it. Next semester".
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I can speak on the account of did, meaning I read in the bible when they did at times. And from my perspective on the bible, this was The Lords commandment for them because they kept slaves. And The Lord would not bless them if they had mistreated and over worked their slaves. Because while they were in Egypt, and under the thumb of the Pharaohs, they were over worked and mistreated and The Lord had pity on them.
In America we do not have slaves legally, and so for many of us the only reason we would keep it would be to worship The Lord who commanded those things to the Israelites. But did they always remember it was so they would not mistreat others and over work them? I cannot say.
So... you think that the only reason that God commanded the Sabbath was to protect slaves?
The Sabbath is mentioned in Genesis 2, long before there were slaves. Or Jews for that matter.
Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.
By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.
And to see it as only existing in the context of slavery (which does exist) is to ignore verses like this:
Thus shall the children of Israel observe the Sabbath, to make the Sabbath throughout their generations as an everlasting covenant. Between Me and the children of Israel, it is forever a sign that in six days The Lord created the heaven and the earth, and on the seventh day He ceased and rested."
This seems to tie in the creation saga and God's eternal covenant with the children of Israel.
Exodus 2:23
And it came to pass in process of time, that the king of Egypt died: and the children of Israel sighed by reason of the bondage, and they cried, and their cry came up unto God by reason of the bondage.
Exodus 6:5
And I have also heard the groaning of the children of Israel, whom the Egyptians keep in bondage; and I have remembered my covenant.
Exodus 13:3
And Moses said unto the people, Remember this day, in which ye came out from Egypt, out of the house of bondage; for by strength of hand the LORD brought you out from this place: there shall no leavened bread be eaten.
Exodus
Chapter 20
1And God spake all these words, saying,
2I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Leviticus 23:25
Ye shall do no servile work therein: but ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.
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I can speak on the account of did, meaning I read in the bible when they did at times. And from my perspective on the bible, this was The Lords commandment for them because they kept slaves. And The Lord would not bless them if they had mistreated and over worked their slaves. Because while they were in Egypt, and under the thumb of the Pharaohs, they were over worked and mistreated and The Lord had pity on them.
In America we do not have slaves legally, and so for many of us the only reason we would keep it would be to worship The Lord who commanded those things to the Israelites. But did they always remember it was so they would not mistreat others and over work them? I cannot say.
So... you think that the only reason that God commanded the Sabbath was to protect slaves?
The Sabbath is mentioned in Genesis 2, long before there were slaves. Or Jews for that matter.
Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.
By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.
And to see it as only existing in the context of slavery (which does exist) is to ignore verses like this:
Thus shall the children of Israel observe the Sabbath, to make the Sabbath throughout their generations as an everlasting covenant. Between Me and the children of Israel, it is forever a sign that in six days The Lord created the heaven and the earth, and on the seventh day He ceased and rested."
This seems to tie in the creation saga and God's eternal covenant with the children of Israel.
Exodus 2:23
And it came to pass in process of time, that the king of Egypt died: and the children of Israel sighed by reason of the bondage, and they cried, and their cry came up unto God by reason of the bondage.
Exodus 6:5
And I have also heard the groaning of the children of Israel, whom the Egyptians keep in bondage; and I have remembered my covenant.
Exodus 13:3
And Moses said unto the people, Remember this day, in which ye came out from Egypt, out of the house of bondage; for by strength of hand the LORD brought you out from this place: there shall no leavened bread be eaten.
Exodus
Chapter 20
1And God spake all these words, saying,
2I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
Leviticus 23:25
Ye shall do no servile work therein: but ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD.
This actually doesn't address anything that the bible verses I posted says.
The Sabbath laws could have been a protection for slaves, when such existed, and also be a permanent sign between Israel and the Lord that He created the world in 7 days.
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This actually doesn't address anything that the bible verses I posted says.
The Sabbath laws could have been a protection for slaves, when such existed, and also be a permanent sign between Israel and the Lord that He created the world in 7 days.
But I do think for this reason God enforced it. God rested on the seventh day. And so did he command Israel to rest and that no "servile" work was done. Why would they include servile?
I agree that it is both. Well said.
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But I do think for this reason God enforced it.
God didn't "enforce" the Sabbath laws, He commanded them. God tells us why, why are you tampering with the literal word of God?
God rested on the seventh day. And so did he command Israel to rest and that no "servile" work was done. Why would they include servile?
That quote comes from the KJV translation of Lev 23:25. So first of all, it's not talking about the weekly Sabbath. It's talking about the holiday of Rosh Hashanah. "In the seventh month, on the first of the month...". Second of all, the word "servile" was added by the translators. The Hebrew simply reads "You shall not perform any work of labor".
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But I do think for this reason God enforced it.
God didn't "enforce" the Sabbath laws, He commanded them. God tells us why, why are you tampering with the literal word of God?
God rested on the seventh day. And so did he command Israel to rest and that no "servile" work was done. Why would they include servile?
That quote comes from the KJV translation of Lev 23:25. So first of all, it's not talking about the weekly Sabbath. It's talking about the holiday of Rosh Hashanah. "In the seventh month, on the first of the month...". Second of all, the word "servile" was added by the translators. The Hebrew simply reads "You shall not perform any work of labor".
For Israel, God commanded that they enforce those laws. it was not Israel that enforced those laws upon themselves. The point was that they keep the Sabbath and all of his statutes that was put forth to them. They were supposed to keep cattle and sheep for the offerings at different times. To keep them in the right way.
God did enforce those things through his prophets Moses and the Levites. They did not do it themselves they never did. As soon as they could they found reason not to do it.
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Second of all, the word "servile" was added by the translators. The Hebrew simply reads "You shall not perform any work of labor".
Well then. I'm glad you came forth with it. I'll keep that in mind for next Saturday. But can you expound further? So, what about grocery shopping or taking a stroll. Let me know.
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For Israel, God commanded that they enforce those laws. it was not Israel that enforced those laws upon themselves. The point was that they keep the Sabbath and all of his statutes that was put forth to them. They were supposed to keep cattle and sheep for the offerings at different times. To keep them in the right way.
God did enforce those things through his prophets Moses and the Levites. They did not do it themselves they never did. As soon as they could they found reason not to do it.
You're all over the place here.
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Well then. I'm glad you came forth with it. I'll keep that in mind for next Saturday.
The verse in question wasn't talking about next saturday. It's talking about the holiday of Rosh Hashanah. Two verses prior: "In the seventh month, on the first of the month..."
But can you expound further? So, what about grocery shopping or taking a stroll. Let me know.
The Sabbath doesn't apply to you. So don't worry about it. "Therefore shall the children of Israel observe the Sabbath, to make the Sabbath throughout their generations as an everlasting covenant. Between Me and the children of Israel, it is forever a sign that in six days The Lord created the heaven and the earth, and on the seventh day He ceased and rested." (Exodus 31).
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I can speak on the account of did, meaning I read in the bible when they did at times. And from my perspective on the bible, this was The Lords commandment for them because they kept slaves.
So here's the interesting thing about the bible. Well, a couple of interesting thing.
The first is that it's God's word, and therefore permanent. Deuteronomy 4:8 says "And what other nation is so great as to have such righteous decrees and laws as this body of laws I am setting before you today?"
A Jewish commentator (I can't remember which one unfortunately) asks why the inclusion of the superfluous world "today" at the end of the sentence. And he takes it to mean that any times we read from the bible, we should consider it as if it was given to us "today", not something old and musty from thousands of years ago.
My second point is that the commands that God gave us can have multiple, competing reasons, that are all simultaneously correct. For example let's talk about the command in Deuteronomy 22:
Should a bird's nest appear before you on the way, on any tree or on the earth, chicks or eggs, and the mother resting on the chicks or the eggs: You shall not take the mother with the offspring. You shall send away the mother, and take the offspring for yourself, so that it be good for you, and your days be long.
The commentators analyze why God gave this command.
Maimonides (1135-1204) takes the obvious approach: because a mother bird feels pain, and we should diminish that pain by chasing the mother bird away before taking her eggs.
Nachmanides (1194-1270) takes a different approach. Noting that the purpose of God's commands is to sanctify and uplift the doer, he says that the mother bird's pain is really secondary; the primary purpose of the act is to make the attribute of mercy part of the person who does the chasing away.
The Maharal (1524-1609) takes a different tack entirely. He puts aside the mother bird's pain and the elevation of the chaser. He says the primary reason is that when we follow one of God's commands, we create metaphysical empires beyond human capacity to comprehend.
And the best part is that all these answers can be both true and correct.