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This is going to be a catastrophe and we will pay a very very high price.
From National Review
Biden’s Afghanistan Blunder
By THE EDITORS
President Biden is trying to put window dressing on the ongoing catastrophe in Afghanistan.
His envoy is working around the clock to get the Taliban to negotiate a political settlement to its military campaign, but what possible incentive does it have?
Only a few hundred Americans remain in the country, and without the recently evacuated Bagram airbase, the air strikes carried out by coalition forces come from locations far afield, limiting their reach. Now, the inevitable consequences of this withdrawal have crashed down on Afghanistan, bringing on a human tragedy of epic proportions and perhaps a resurgence of international jihadism.
Last month, Biden asserted, “Do I trust the Taliban? No. But I trust the capacity of the Afghan military, who is better trained, better equipped, and more re- — more competent in terms of conducting war.” Yet since Friday, the Taliban has won control of well over half of the country, including nine of its 34 provincial capitals — a number expected to rise in the coming days. The Taliban stepped up its attacks after Biden announced the plan to withdraw in April, but it has only started to retake major cities, such as Kunduz, as the August 31 deadline for completion of the U.S. exit approaches. The Washington Post reported that the Pentagon assesses Kabul could fall within 90 days; some officials predict that’ll happen within a month — which would coincide with the 20th anniversary of the September 11 attacks.
This offensive has been accompanied by a spate of attacks within Kabul, and a crisis of governance. The Taliban recently assassinated the government’s media chief, and an unsuccessful attempt on the defense minister’s life left eight other people dead. The Afghan military has been all but absent from battle, with the exception of commando units, and some soldiers are reported to have fled amid Taliban advances. Now under intense pressure on all fronts, the government lacks competent political leadership.
The Biden administration is continuing to provide logistical and intelligence support to Afghan forces, but U.S. involvement in the country is all but over. The Taliban are likely to continue to advance, and come August 31, it’s not even clear that U.S. forces will conduct more air strikes. So when Biden administration officials say that they’re supporting the Afghan government in pursuit of a negotiated settlement with the Taliban, they’re merely offering an empty talking point to try to pretty up the brutal truth on the ground.
At the human level, the people facing the most danger are supporters of the Afghan government, anyone who worked with coalition forces in the country (including the interpreters who must now flee for their lives), and the women who flourished in the environment that followed the toppling of the Taliban’s medieval barbarity.
On top of this humanitarian debacle, it’s hard to see how the emergence of a new Islamic caliphate in Afghanistan won’t result in a renewed threat to the U.S. and its interests. It’s widely acknowledged that the Taliban has not broken ties with al-Qaeda, and it will surprise no one that the group has broken its commitment to do so that it made at Doha. Afghanistan might soon again become the launchpad of a global movement that had for years been kept at bay by the presence of U.S. forces — most recently a small, relatively low-cost contingent that served as bulwark against the Taliban sweeping to power again.
It never made sense to believe, and here the Trump administration was the main offender, that the Taliban could be negotiated with. This week, Zalmay Khalilzad, Biden’s special representative (a Trump-era holdover from the Taliban negotiations, as well as George Bush’s ambassador to Afghanistan), delivered the group a warning in Doha. All he could do, though, was say that Washington would prevent any government that comes to power by force from receiving international recognition, a meaningless gesture compared to the U.S. pullout that has constituted a green light to the restoration of the caliphate.
Administration officials insist that the U.S. won’t be drawn back in and that this withdrawal is final. Sadly, everyone on the ground appears to believe them.
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Biden last month on Afghanistan: "the likelihood there’s going to be the Taliban overrunning everything and owning the whole country is highly unlikely."
The only question now is whether they overrun the whole country before 9/11, or after.
We've been reduced to begging them not to attack our embassy in Kabul.
This is a national disgrace.
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VP Biden is playing his part.
Waiting for the Military to move... in America on American soil :-)
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Waiting for the Military to move... in America on American soil :-)
Please tell me this is a joke.
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Please tell me this is a joke.
No joke. Military is responsible for defense of the Constitution which this nation is built on... from enemy both foreign AND DOMESTIC. Timing is critical.
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No joke. Military is responsible for defense of the Constitution which this nation is built on... from enemy both foreign AND DOMESTIC. Timing is critical.
So...what do you think is going to happen?
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So...what do you think is going to happen?
If the election is proven to have been a fraud, the Military will take control of DC and either 1) Place who was truly elected into the office of the President. Or 2) hold a new election and verify who "We the People" have elected.
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I respect your opinion a lot, but that's never going to happen. The process was followed and Joe Biden is president (God help us). There's no legal framework for your scenario. Let's try again in 2024.
What I think will happen is that Afghanistan will fall to the Taliban, and the only question is whether it happens before or after 9/11/21. They're going to invite AQ and many other sundry terrorists groups back into the country, and they will shield and protect them. And those groups will grow and become stronger. And they will attack the west. And none of this ever had to happen. But decline is a choice.
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The Taliban have reportedly been executing translators who worked for the US army and also surrendering Afghani soldiers.
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The Taliban have seized around a hundred US humvees and (MaxxPro) MRAPs at Kunduz airport. They have also taken ownership of several US ScanEagle drones.
Billions of dollars worth of advanced armaments have fallen into the hands of Islamist extremists. Great job Joe!
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I respect your opinion a lot, but that's never going to happen. The process was followed and Joe Biden is president (God help us). There's no legal framework for your scenario. Let's try again in 2024.
Process was followed but was it based on verifiable true election results? Why this is so important... is because if there is fraud, there will be no future elections.
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Process was followed but was it based on verifiable true election results?
The results were verified, though. The process was followed. If the military can remove a sitting president...that's not America anymore.
Why this is so important... is because if there is fraud, there will be no future elections.
Let's see what happens in the 2022 midterms.
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The Taliban are only 30 miles from Afghanistan's capital city, Kabul. It could could fall at any time.
The media: What's Joe Biden's favorite ice cream flavor?
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The media: What's Joe Biden's favorite ice cream flavor?
The propaganda is beyond words as reality is avoided or changed to fit the narrative perpetrating the propaganda. Or, is it the other way around, propaganda perpetrating the narrative as reality is avoided ???
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The results were verified, though. The process was followed. If the military can remove a sitting president...that's not America anymore.
I honestly believe many eyes will be opened concerning the truth and deception of that election. Remember, if the results were "truly" verified, then those elected and who voted "for" the elected, would be cheering ON, the Audits. Texas is now doing the paperwork to start a full audit.
Remember, a "recount" is not an audit. A recount was done and that process was followed. Audits will verify or deny the recount which was utilized for the election process.
If a person has 30 apples and does a recount, and they recount 30 red apples, then they have verified they have 30 apples. However, an audit examines the apples. If the audit finds that 5 apples are oranges that are painted red and another 5 apples are plastic, how many "true" apples does the person have?
That is WHY the audits are being resisted.
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That is WHY the audits are being resisted.
I hear that and I don't disagree. But the states certified those numbers and the electoral college voted and the president was sworn in. That's the process. If we're saying that the military or any other body has the power to overturn a certified election then we're in banana republic territory.
In fact, I'll do you one better. If the military deposes the president I bet the left would be delighted. All trust in the process will be gone.
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I hear that and I don't disagree. But the states certified those numbers and the electoral college voted and the president was sworn in. That's the process. If we're saying that the military or any other body has the power to overturn a certified election then we're in banana republic territory.
It's the opposite actually. If the election was faulty, meaning that the person who won, lost and the person who lost, won... to allow this to happen = this is a banana republic. The Military will not allow such error to continue, IF proven. They will step in, remove the loser and either do 1 or 2 from my earlier post.
In fact, I'll do you one better. If the military deposes the president I bet the left would be delighted. All trust in the process will be gone.
If the Military is forced to act, based on the evidence, and those on the left refuse to accept the evidence, the left will begin to realize how little their feelings matter. I pray they begin to realize what the Constitution means though. In the end, if they do, then they will admit their error and thank the Military for preserving this Nation while they watch all their leadership be removed from power. A leadership that is "failing" ALL Americans and also, all the world ie Afghanistan.
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It's the opposite actually. If the election was faulty, meaning that the person who won, lost and the person who lost, won... to allow this to happen = this is a banana republic. The Military will not allow such error to continue, IF proven. They will step in, remove the loser and either do 1 or 2 from my earlier post.
Where in the Constitution does it give the army the authority to remove a president? Voting is a state issue not a federal issue. Once the Secretary of State for a given state certifies the election results, it's in the books. It's done. In Bush Vs Gore in 2000, once the Florida Secretary of State certified the election numbers, nothing Gore could do would have changed anything. That's the way the law is.
Aside from impeachment or the invoking 25th Amendment, I don't think there's any other way to remove the president.
If the Military is forced to act, based on the evidence,
Again on what legal authority?
and those on the left refuse to accept the evidence, the left will begin to realize how little their feelings matter.
I don't think feelings are important here. Laws are.
In the end, if they do, then they will admit their error and thank the Military for preserving this Nation while they watch all their leadership be removed from power.
I'm a man of the right, not the left, and I would be horrified if the military deposed the president.
A leadership that is "failing" ALL Americans and also, all the world ie Afghanistan.
That's true, but it has nothing to do with deposing presidents.
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I voted for Trump in 2020. And I would have crawled over broken glass to do so. Furthermore, Joe Biden has exceeded my expectations as to what kind of disaster his presidency has become. High inflation. Gasoline prices doubled. Border wide open. Businesses shut. Government spending out of control. Afghanistan collapsing. Criminals emboldened and police unwilling to arrest anyone. Basically everything he has touched has turned to garbage. But he was duly sworn in and is the president. For better or worse (and it's going to get worse yet). 2020 is over. It's time to look forward to 2022 and 2024.
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Where in the Constitution does it give the army the authority to remove a president?
No where.
Voting is a state issue not a federal issue.
Do you believe "all" states followed their established voting laws as established through State Legislation? Or did several states "change" state voting laws in opposition of the laws established through State Legislation?
There is a time limit if a state wants to change a voting law and several states disregarded that timeline.
Once the Secretary of State for a given state certifies the election results, it's in the books.
Is the certification legit if the established state voting laws were changed without State Legislation vote in the proper timeline to have a law established prior to election day?
It's done. In Bush Vs Gore in 2000, once the Florida Secretary of State certified the election numbers, nothing Gore could do would have changed anything. That's the way the law is
Big Hooah if all the votes were legit and the voting laws were followed in accordance of laws established by State Legislation.
Aside from impeachment or the invoking 25th Amendment, I don't think there's any other way to remove the president.
There isn't.
Again on what legal authority?
The Constitution :-)
I can toss in the Law of War Manual June 2015 with a Dec 2016 update... chapter 11.
Let me drop this in... why do you think Antifa was designated a terrorist force? And what about those who lead them and give them their mission(s) on American soil? Is this leadership considered the enemy of America?
I don't think feelings are important here. Laws are.
Can't agree. President Trump hurt the feelings of many on the left and those in power of states "changed" their voting laws WITHOUT State Legislation, to appease their feelings.
I'm a man of the right, not the left, and I would be horrified if the military deposed the president.
The Military would never dispose an "elected" President.
That's true, but it has nothing to do with deposing presidents.
Has everything to do with a person who was not elected but occupies the office of the President.
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I voted for Trump in 2020. And I would have crawled over broken glass to do so. Furthermore, Joe Biden has exceeded my expectations as to what kind of disaster his presidency has become. High inflation. Gasoline prices doubled. Border wide open. Businesses shut. Government spending out of control. Afghanistan collapsing. Criminals emboldened and police unwilling to arrest anyone. Basically everything he has touched has turned to garbage. But he was duly sworn in and is the president. For better or worse (and it's going to get worse yet). 2020 is over. It's time to look forward to 2022 and 2024.
Do all these examples of fruit that VP Biden bears... do they reveal a person who is leading as a "President?" Where are the millions who voted for him crying out praise of the work the man they voted for, has done? Have you seen photos of the crowds attending his public speeches... photos from proper angles?
No fruit he bears leads one to see him as an "elected" President.
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Senior general staff are all,in the tank with progressives. No military coup.
Midterms 2022 will demonstrate.
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Senior general staff are all,in the tank with progressives.
While most that you're referring to can be named, are "all" senior staff siding with the woke progressives?
Nope.
Also, are any of the named senior staff part of the latest Military force that has been stood up ? :-)
No military coup.
Defending the Constitution is not about any coup... except in removing a coup attempt.
Midterms 2022 will demonstrate.
It will be a blessing if we can get to this time without defense of the Constitution and partake in an election that is paper only, face ID checked of only registered voters.
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The results of the 2020 election were certified and Trump's own election "experts," the attorney general and many of the judges that Trump himself appointed have stated that there wasn't massive voter fraud and the election wasn't "stolen."
Give it up man. That ship has sailed.
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The results of the 2020 election were certified and Trump's own election "experts," the attorney general and many of the judges that Trump himself appointed have stated that there wasn't massive voter fraud and the election wasn't "stolen."
Give it up man. That ship has sailed.
When the results of the Audits are made public, we will all return to our posts and see how correct or wrong we are :-)
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Senior general staff are all,in the tank with progressives.
While most that you're referring to can be named, are "all" senior staff siding with the woke progressives?
Nope.
Also, are any of the named senior staff part of the latest Military force that has been stood up ? :-)
No military coup.
Defending the Constitution is not about any coup... except in removing a coup attempt.
Midterms 2022 will demonstrate.
It will be a blessing if we can get to this time without defense of the Constitution and partake in an election that is paper only, face ID checked of only registered voters.
By brother is at War College right now. Believe me, all the general officers that want to stay in service are a part of the work cabal. O-6’s that want to get enough time in to retire on O-6 retirement pay walk an extremely narrow path.
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Biden last month on Afghanistan: "the likelihood there’s going to be the Taliban overrunning everything and owning the whole country is highly unlikely."
The only question now is whether they overrun the whole country before 9/11, or after.
We've been reduced to begging them not to attack our embassy in Kabul.
This is a national disgrace.
That whole briefing was a disgrace:
THE PRESIDENT: When I was in Afghanistan — I’ve been there a number of times — I remember being in a school outside and — and, by the way, the schools in Afghanistan are not fundamentally unlike schools in the West Coast, where they have, you know, a — an area in the middle that is sort of like — it looks like a playground and single-story buildings connected around it.
And I remember saying to — speaking to a group of young women — I guess they were roughly — don’t hold me to this — they look like they’d be 14, 15 years old. And they’re in school, and there’s a tiered classroom with single light bulbs hanging from the ceiling, as I know you know.
And I said, “You know, the United States came here to make sure that we got this terrorist, Osama bin Laden, and that terrorists didn’t amass again to — to go after our country. And then we’re going to have to leave.” And a young woman said, “You can’t leave. You can’t leave.” It was — it was heartbreaking. “You can’t leave,” she said. “I want to be a doctor. I want to be a doctor. I want to be a doctor. If you leave, I’ll never be able to be a doctor.” Well, that’s why we spent so much time and money training the Afghan Security Forces to do the work of defending that. If every work —
ThAt'S wHy We SpEnT sO mUcH tImE aNd MoNeY.
So what, Iran is just better at backing the Taliban than the US is at backing Afghan Security Forces? Do you mean that if you pull out of a proxy war the other side is going to start winning?! So what's worse, Trump the misogynist or Biden, who handed over the women of an entire country to a brutalist, regressive, misogynist regime? Better bust out those pink hats!
And lololololol at the election conspiracy.
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No where.
So you want the US army to use it's power on American soil in a manner not authorized by the Constitution?
Do you believe "all" states followed their established voting laws as established through State Legislation? Or did several states "change" state voting laws in opposition of the laws established through State Legislation?
There is a time limit if a state wants to change a voting law and several states disregarded that timeline.
That may very well be true. But their Secretarys of State certified their election results. It's over. There's no such thing as undoing an election.
Is the certification legit if the established state voting laws were changed without State Legislation vote in the proper timeline to have a law established prior to election day?
That's a state issue not a federal issue. There isn't even a federal right to vote.
Big Hooah if all the votes were legit and the voting laws were followed in accordance of laws established by State Legislation.
And if they didn't? What is your solution?
There isn't.
Soo...what are we talking about here?
Let me drop this in... why do you think Antifa was designated a terrorist force? And what about those who lead them and give them their mission(s) on American soil? Is this leadership considered the enemy of America?
Antifa is a law enforcement issue, not a US army issue.
Can't agree. President Trump hurt the feelings of many on the left and those in power of states "changed" their voting laws WITHOUT State Legislation, to appease their feelings.
And that's a state issue. Not a federal or US army issue.
The Military would never dispose an "elected" President.
Biden was indeed elected by the electoral college.
Has everything to do with a person who was not elected but occupies the office of the President.
So what's your scenario? Don't be coy, spell it out. What's going to happen?
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So what, Iran is just better at backing the Taliban than the US is at backing Afghan Security Forces?
The Taliban have said in the past that "America has the clocks but we have the time". And they proved that to be correct. They played the long game and waited until we had a president stupid enough to pull out and hand them a victory.
This is a shameful display of American weakness and our enemies are taking note. We can expect more attacks in the future.
But no more mean tweets amirite?
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Taliban commander to CNN: "It's our belief that one day mujahideen will have victory, and Islamic law will come not to just Afghanistan, but all over the world. We are not in a hurry. We believe it will come one day. Jihad will not end until the last day."
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US officials now appealing to the Taliban to wait for the completion of the U.S. evacuation saying that doing so would increase "the likelihood that both the international community and Afghans will accept the Taliban’s entry into the capital."
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So you want the US army to use it's power on American soil in a manner not authorized by the Constitution?
No, I'm saying that when the Military acts, it will be because of the Constitution.
That may very well be true. But their Secretarys of State certified their election results. It's over. There's no such thing as undoing an election.
Certification was done with "false" results. Once the Audits have proven this... what's next? Continue to allow the loser to be the winner?
That's a state issue not a federal issue. There isn't even a federal right to vote.
Wrong isn't made right by saying it's a state issue, not a federal issue.
And if they didn't? What is your solution?
I believe the Military will step in.
Soo...what are we talking about here?
First we have the elections, followed by attempts to bring evidence of fraud to judges to allow into court, judges refuse to view evidence, cases denied. Inauguration happens, person in the office of the President begins to dismantle America, evidence is still denied, attempts at Supreme Court, also denied = ALL legal means exhausted. Evidence is still denied. Audits commence and soon, the evidence the audits verify will go public. Who has the original evidence that was denied all legal action? Who also has, or will have all the verified evidence?
The Military.
Antifa is a law enforcement issue, not a US army issue.
They "were" a law enforcement jurisdiction. Again, why designate them a terrorist threat to America?
And that's a state issue. Not a federal or US army issue.
It is a Military issue if those (state) actions resulted in an unelected person being inaugurated.
Biden was indeed elected by the electoral college.
We will know this to be true or false when the Audit results are made public.
So what's your scenario? Don't be coy, spell it out. What's going to happen?
Steps either 1 or 2 after the Military removes the person who has been dismantling America.
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By brother is at War College right now. Believe me, all the general officers that want to stay in service are a part of the work cabal. O-6’s that want to get enough time in to retire on O-6 retirement pay walk an extremely narrow path.
There are enough who are Patriots.
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No, I'm saying that when the Military acts, it will be because of the Constitution.
And this power is enumerated...where?
You're saying that the election defied the Constitution, so now it's ok if the US army defies the Constitution. That's tyranny.
Certification was done with "false" results.
I've been waiting years for this "proof" that's somehow always supposed to be found in the next audit.
Once the Audits have proven this... what's next? Continue to allow the loser to be the winner?
Failure on a state level doesn't authorize undoing election on a federal level. The electoral college cast their votes.
Wrong isn't made right by saying it's a state issue, not a federal issue.
The laws were followed on the federal level.
First we have the elections, followed by attempts to bring evidence of fraud to judges to allow into court, judges refuse to view evidence, cases denied. Inauguration happens, person in the office of the President begins to dismantle America, evidence is still denied, attempts at Supreme Court, also denied = ALL legal means exhausted.
Or (and this is also possible) nobody found the "evidence" convincing.
I heard the left whining for four years that Trump was "not my president". How is this any different? The election is over. Move on. 2022 and 2024.
Who also has, or will have all the verified evidence?
The Military.
Ummm I feel weird saying this to a former member of the military, but this isn't what the American military does. They're not some sort of final arbiter in election matters.
They "were" a law enforcement jurisdiction. Again, why designate them a terrorist threat to America?
Who designated them a terrorist group?
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The Afghan government has surrendered to the Taliban. Shades of Vietnam, US embassy personnel are being evacuated by helicopter from the roof of the building.
Russia will not be closing their embassy.
The Chinese government is recognizing the Taliban as the legitimate Afghan government.
In my opinion, Joe Biden has overtaken Jimmy Carter as the worst US president in my lifetime, and it took him a mere 7 months in office to do so.
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Watching Al-Qaeda and the Taliban celebrate the 20th anniversary of 9/11 in Kabul is going to be the worst.
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US Sec. of State Blinken insists Afghan mission 'successful'.
These are not serious people.
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BREAKING: Afghan President Ghani has fled the country. “That’s it. It’s over,” U.S. official says
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US AMBASSADOR HAS LEFT THE EMBASSY IN KABUL. He and the flag are at the airport.
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You're saying that the election defied the Constitution, so now it's ok if the US army defies the Constitution. That's tyranny.
If the Constitution is defied based on the evidence revealing a faulty election and the perpetrators (the cheaters) strive to remain in power, that is tyranny. It is the Military who will step in to end that tyranny = defend the Constitution from enemies both foreign and domestic.
In all honesty, if the Audits clear who's dismantling America by revealing he was elected... then let him continue to dismantle America, it's what America apparently wants. Then we will wait through 2022 and 2024 to see if American's have opened their eyes (aware/awake) or just remain woke (blind/asleep).
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If the Constitution is defied based on the evidence revealing a faulty election and the perpetrators (the cheaters) strive to remain in power, that is tyranny.
As they say, "if" is the longest two letter word in the English language. We've been waiting for this "proof" since election day and it has yet to materialize.
It is the Military who will step in to end that tyranny = defend the Constitution from enemies both foreign and domestic.
Again, the military is not the final arbiter into whether the election was legitimate or not.
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In what is a surprise to me, the mainstream media are being truthful in Biden's role in this catastrophe.
Saigon 2.0: The Fall of Kabul
AUGUST 15, 2021 MIKE COTÉ
The humiliation of the United States and the total collapse of Afghanistan will be a disaster for American power for years to come.
Many pundits have compared the current catastrophe in Afghanistan to the fall of Saigon to the North Vietnamese in 1975. In quite a few respects, those commenters are not wrong, and the similarities are echoed by the images coming out of Kabul today. The photo above is eerily reminiscent of the famed images of a helicopter airlift from the US Embassy in Saigon and videos coming out of the Kabul airport are just as heartbreaking and terrifying as those from South Vietnam almost 50 years ago. Our precipitous withdrawal will lead to thousands of refugees, greater civil violence, and horrible human rights abuses by a totalitarian Islamic dictatorship that sees its mission as forcibly bringing jihad to the entire world.
But in some ways, this collapse is worse and could lead to an even greater debasement of American perception and power overseas. First off, Afghanistan’s collapse happened immediately, whereas the South Vietnamese government held out for years after US troops officially left the country. Part of that rapid collapse must be laid at the feet of the Afghan government and military, which have been corrupt and incompetent since the early days of American intervention. Another part of the blame falls on the American national security establishment, which seems to have utterly failed to prepare for the withdrawal that has been promised by political leaders for over a decade. Those political leaders, especially our current President, also shoulder a great deal of the blame for this complete shambles; the Biden team has consistently focused on weak-kneed messaging and whistling past the graveyard instead of actually doing contingency planning for the re-Taliban-ization of Afghanistan. As I’ve written before, I see this withdrawal as fundamentally flawed and counter to American national interests; but the way that this evacuation is happening and the total failure of the US to withdraw in an orderly manner has been the rotten cherry on top of a garbage sundae.
We left rapidly, with no military support on the ground for our diplomatic personnel and civilians, and our President seems to have thought that this would not embolden the Taliban to attack with gusto to fill the security vacuum we were leaving. The quotes from both Biden and his team have been staggering to read given the reality on the ground in Kabul, where former Afghan President Ashraf Ghani has fled and our embassy has been closed down after burning sensitive documents. Here’s a taste of Biden’s comments, only made a month ago – in response to a question asking whether a Taliban takeover of Afghanistan was inevitable, Biden answered “No, it is not.” He also said the following, which is honestly almost hard to believe in light of what’s happened since: “The Taliban is not the south – the North Vietnamese Army. They’re not – they’re not remotely comparable in terms of capability. There’s going to be no circumstance where you see people being lifted off the roof of a embassy in the – of the United States in Afghanistan. It is not at all comparable.” I would say that I’m shocked, but Joe Biden has been consistently wrong on nearly every foreign policy issue he’s ever touched; why would this be any different? Secretary of State Antony Blinken has not exactly covered himself in glory either, but his remarks in June to Congress look almost funny in hindsight; he said, in regards to Afghan allies applying for visas, that “Whatever happens in Afghanistan, if there is a significant deterioration in security…I don’t think it’s going to be something that happens from a Friday to a Monday.” Reader, that is almost exactly what has happened. The Taliban has essentially taken the entire country over in a weekend. One during which our President is on vacation, no less. Absurd dereliction of duty all around.
Besides the horrors about to be visited on the Afghan people and the impact on the Americans who faithfully served their country for years in Afghanistan, there is another long-term concern that worries me deeply – the impact on our national prestige and how that impacts the risk-reward calculations of our geopolitical foes. After the embarrassment that was the fall of Saigon and the American lack of political resolve in the Vietnam War, our enemies were emboldened and violence that hurt our national interests rose. Less than 5 years after the fall of South Vietnam, hundreds of Americans were held captive by a budding theocracy in Tehran, the Soviets had invaded Afghanistan, and American power seemed to be on the wane in the face of adversity. Our modern adversaries are taking very careful note of our epic display of weakness here, and the images and videos of our humiliation are being broadcast around the world via the Internet in a way that they never could be in 1975; there are budding jihadists across the globe who are watching the military success of their Afghan compatriots in real time and thinking, “Why can’t we do that here?” Still, the bigger worry is that the leaders – and the people – of our Great Power rivals are watching this just as intently. If Vladimir Putin saw President Obama’s weakness in Syria as license to take Crimea illegally (and he did), what will he be thinking today watching Obama’s Vice President display an even greater capacity for incompetence and capitulation? If I were a leader in Ukraine, Georgia, or the Baltics, I’d be looking to arm my country as quickly as possible. And Putin isn’t the only wolf licking his lips right now; Chinese dictator Xi Jinping is greedily eyeing Taiwan in the same way. China was already pressuring Taiwan in unprecedented fashion, and now they must be watching the US inability and unwillingness to support a long-term military mission and seeing an opportunity to act. The CCP has also already begun to co-opt the Taliban into its own version of global order with diplomatic recognition & Belt and Road funds. Lesser powers like Iran and North Korea are paying close attention as well, all of which will lead to further foreign crises in the coming years.
What happens in Afghanistan doesn’t stay in Afghanistan, as we so painfully learned on a bright Tuesday morning almost 20 years ago. This debacle of a withdrawal will not only impact Afghanistan and open the door for more terrorist action against American assets and citizens, it will embolden our enemies throughout the world, cause destabilizing conflicts, and reduce currently free people to a life of unfreedom and despair. I wish it were not the case, but we must be ready for the consequences of our actions – they won’t be good.
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Who designated them a terrorist group?
I found something interesting, missed it till now. Question first, do you believe that person(s) who are doing wrong, usually try to "project" wrong doing onto those who are "not" doing the wrong doing?
Does this question make sense :o because I'm trying to word it correctly.
Anyway, check this out which was posted on 13 August: https://www.dhs.gov/ntas/advisory/national-terrorism-advisory-system-bulletin-august-13-2021 (https://www.dhs.gov/ntas/advisory/national-terrorism-advisory-system-bulletin-august-13-2021)
The beginning of the post:
Summary of Terrorism Threat to the U.S. HomelandThe Secretary of Homeland Security has issued a new National Terrorism Advisory System (NTAS) Bulletin regarding the current heightened threat environment across the United States. The Homeland continues to face a diverse and challenging threat environment leading up to and following the 20th Anniversary of the September 11, 2001 attacks as well religious holidays we assess could serve as a catalyst for acts of targeted violence. These threats include those posed by domestic terrorists, individuals and groups engaged in grievance-based violence, and those inspired or motivated by foreign terrorists and other malign foreign influences. These actors are increasingly exploiting online forums to influence and spread violent extremist narratives and promote violent activity. Such threats are also exacerbated by impacts of the ongoing global pandemic, including grievances over public health safety measures and perceived government restrictions.
Now, reality... what groups do violence, burn cars, buildings, raid police stations and destroy as much as possible, etc? All the while being supported by many "woke" leaders in blue states and left government officials?
We know it's not those who still support President Trump, we know it's not anti-vaxxers, anti-maskers, unbelievers that Covid is a "real" pandemic, church goers, parents who defend their children as parents demand a stop to mask mandates for children who are what, 99.988888888888% immune to what is called Covid?
Anyway, check this out:
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Hey... I'm a terrorist as of 2 days ago. Well, only till 11 Nov 21, whewwww!!
But, are eyes open to the reality of who the "real" domestic terrorists are and also, who they will pretend to be, when they begin to riot just (my personal opinion) before or during the release of the Audit(s) findings?
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US AMBASSADOR HAS LEFT THE EMBASSY IN KABUL. He and the flag are at the airport.
Sad we can’t say the same for (deceased) Ambassador Stevens
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The only “military force” understood by the Founders to have the God given right to remove a serving government by arms is the free citizenry of the United States… nit the duly commissioned officers and noncommissioned officers of the various arms if the US military.
In order for any currently serving US military personnel to take up arms against the duly elected government… as this one is … that individual must first resign his or her commission or rank, leave the military services, (aka Gen. Robert E Lee) and to thereafter take such actions has he or she deemed appropriate as a free citizen of the United States
A military coup or takeover is unconstitutional
A citizenry replacement of a form of government is a God given right
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In this case you may be taking the moral high road. But in terms of theology it is much more complicated. God reserves the right to use military coup, if He so desires. In the U.S., we've made a covenant to live by the laws we made for ourselves. Presently, a major political party, ie the Democrats, have determined to skirt the laws in any way they can do so and still mislead the American people. They control the left-leaning media.
In this situation, I don't know what God expects of us? Technically, an abusive govt. should be overthrown--I just don't think it's come to that point, yet. Taking radical action requires some pretty hefty evidence of fraud, and misuse of our Constitution. We're getting pretty close to that sometimes. I agree with Mark Levin, that American Marxism is rearing its ugly head!
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The theology isn't complicated, and God would probably prefer it if the American people stopped using him as an excuse at every opportunity. (Sure God could 'use' a military coup, but who wants to be the first to say, 'God is saying...'? Not me.)
If you want to imbue the US military with moral imperative then go for it. There's no reason to soil God any further in the name of American politics.
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God can use disputed elections to choose a leader too.
The Afghans had 20 years to taste an alternative to the Taliban, and it seems like the Afghan government didn't feel it was worth fighting for. The Afghan army was plagued by corruption and lack of support too.
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The Afghans had 20 years to taste an alternative to the Taliban, and it seems like the Afghan government didn't feel it was worth fighting for. The Afghan army was plagued by corruption and lack of support too.
How many of those Afghans were Taliban who cosied up to the US for training and armaments? I imagine the US just spent the last 20 years arming and training mostly Taliban fighters.
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The point of my posts, should the Audit's prove that VP Biden was not elected, it is NOT a coup when the Military upholds the Constitution against domestic enemies.
Edit: A thought, should the Audit's prove that VP Biden was not elected, the government will be "incapacitated." The Military will step in, when our government is incapable of true leadership.
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The Afghans had 20 years to taste an alternative to the Taliban, and it seems like the Afghan government didn't feel it was worth fighting for. The Afghan army was plagued by corruption and lack of support too.
More than 50,000 Afghan soldiers have been killed since 2015 while battling the Taliban.
I'd say it's much more likely that they felt betrayed by their so called ally (that's us, folks!) and lost the will to fight.
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The Afghans had 20 years to taste an alternative to the Taliban, and it seems like the Afghan government didn't feel it was worth fighting for. The Afghan army was plagued by corruption and lack of support too.
More than 50,000 Afghan soldiers have been killed since 2015 while battling the Taliban.
I'd say it's much more likely that they felt betrayed by their so called ally (that's us, folks!) and lost the will to fight.
The Vice documentary on the Afghan army shows the systemic issues with the Afghan army, especially the drug use. It's no mystery. Combine that with the Taliban commander generator known as Guantanamo and heyyyyyy...
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The point of my posts, should the Audit's prove that VP Biden was not elected, it is NOT a coup when the Military upholds the Constitution against domestic enemies.
Edit: A thought, should the Audit's prove that VP Biden was not elected, the government will be "incapacitated." The Military will step in, when our government is incapable of true leadership.
An "audit" is not contemplated in the Constitution as a methodology for removing a sitting President and Vice President. Sorry, just not there. The election officials of the individual states decided, whether correctly or not, to appoint electors, who then lawfully voted in the Electoral COllege for the election of the President and Vice President. They are duly elected.
I don't like it. I think the entire administration is like the clown show at the circus, but the mechanisms in place at the state level appointed the electors, and no "audit" is going to change that. It's called federalism, and it isn't an inconvenient truth when the states are filled with corruption and error permitted by a fat, lazy, corrupt citizenry.
The fight is at the local and state level, not the federal level.
The government is already incapacitated. We have new house and senate elections in only 15 months.
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The Vice documentary on the Afghan army shows the systemic issues with the Afghan army, especially the drug use.
They're brave enough and willing to die for their country. It's hard to carry on when your so called allies abandon you though.
Combine that with the Taliban commander generator known as Guantanamo and heyyyyyy...
Uhhh the individuals in Guantanamo are there because they were already Taliban/Al Qaida commanders.
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An "audit" is not contemplated in the Constitution as a methodology for removing a sitting President and Vice President. Sorry, just not there.
See, lawyers aren't all bad. :o
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An "audit" is not contemplated in the Constitution as a methodology for removing a sitting President and Vice President. Sorry, just not there.
See, lawyers aren't all bad. :o
Just MOSTLY bad....
:P
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The videos from Afghanistan are heart wrenching. People crying and begging to be saved from the Taliban. That Biden doesn't feel bad about what he did shows that not only is he incompetent, but he's a bad person.
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We've had around 40 years to get to know Joe. I'm surprised that anyone is surprised when he screws something else up.
Edit to say: I'm not making light of the situation. It's horrific in more ways than one and will hurt our country and others for years to come.
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The videos from Afghanistan are heart wrenching. People crying and begging to be saved from the Taliban. That Biden doesn't feel bad about what he did shows that not only is he incompetent, but he's a bad person.
Well come on, as he explained:
"That was four days ago, five days ago!"
You can't expect the man to remember as far back as four or five days ago -- or even two.
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The election was not fraudulent. Biden simply got more votes. Most Americans don't like Trump. This was the most scrutinized election in American history. Also Trump is the one who negotiated the deal with the Taliban. Biden inherited this mess. And he is trying to save as many people as possible. I'm in favor of letting every American vote. And it should be easy. If we can't vote. Or if our votes don't get counted. Then we will no longer be free. Because we are only free as long as we can vote and our votes get counted.
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Also Trump is the one who negotiated the deal with the Taliban. Biden inherited this mess.
Biden didn't keep Trump's timetable anyway. In any case this has been a fiasco, and blaming it on the last president shows neither leadership nor responsibility. Let's face it, Joe Biden hasn't held an executive position in his entire life. President of the United States is a big job, and he isn't up for it.
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Further, the "Trump Timeline" had clear deliverables and checks and balances. It was a conditional timeline based on the Taliban not taking over territory outside of the areas that it controlled at the time, including, but not limited to, a limitation on the Taliban working in the regional capitals and in particular in Kabul. It also had guidelines for removal of ALL US citizens and Afghani interpreters and their families, ALL US military equipment, THEN the Embassy Staff and Ambassador and THEN the military. The Trump plan was "Dear Taliban: You screw this up and we bomb you even further back into the stone age."
Biden just said "Get all the military out so I look good to my progressive sycophants, and ooh, is it vanilla, chocolate, or tapioca this afternoon," leaving the citizens, the equipment, the Afghani allies, and the embassy staff on their own without any support.
Facts are irritating things.
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Yeah. Biden inherited a withdrawal agreement, and from it, he created a mess -- for America, America's allies, and the Afghan people. This is horrific for Afghan women, girls, and boys. Bravo, Biden. What was it Biden committed himself to?
https://joebiden.com/womens-agenda/
End violence against women. Biden will work to end violence against women, continuing his leadership on this issue since he authored the Violence Against Women Act in 1994.
Protect and empower women around the world.
Well gee, the Taliban are exactly in line with these goals.
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Biden just said "Get all the military out so I look good to my progressive sycophants, and ooh, is it vanilla, chocolate, or tapioca this afternoon," leaving the citizens, the equipment, the Afghani allies, and the embassy staff on their own without any support.
We have the most powerful military in the world, and our spineless president is bowing before 12th century thugs. We're better than this.
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My 0-6 (already picked up by the board so 0-6 promotable, waiting on Senate confirmation) brother is at US Army War College right now, and all the 0-5s and 0-6s in his class are losing their minds.
He says that the instructors literally have no words to discuss, as criticism of the current chain of command including the CIC during ongoing operations ist verboten.
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He says that the instructors literally have no words to discuss, as criticism of the current chain of command including the CIC during ongoing operations ist verboten.
What could one even say? This is pathetic.
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American special operation veterans rescue 630 Afghan allies in Operation ‘Pineapple Express’
Seconds before the devastating bomb blast at the Kabul airport Thursday, about 500 Afghans – members of Afghan elite forces, special operators, assets and enablers along with their families – were rescued by an all-volunteer group of American veterans of Afghan War in an operation named ‘Pineapple Express’.
According to news reports with the increasing Taliban presence and violence in Afghanistan American veterans launched a ‘final daring’ mission Wednesday to rescue the allies who had worked with them in the past.
The whole article...
https://theprint.in/world/american-special-operation-veterans-rescue-630-afghan-allies-in-operation-pineapple-express/723792/ (https://theprint.in/world/american-special-operation-veterans-rescue-630-afghan-allies-in-operation-pineapple-express/723792/)
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My little bro is at War College right now.
Three of the folks in his class are current Delta/SF officers that just returned prior to 01 August from Afghanistan.
They have direct contact with the Pineapple Express operatives and many Afghanis in real time and reporting as more extractions occur.
630 is only a drop in the bucket as to what the Pineapple guys are actually accomplishing.
Great news all the way around.
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My little bro is at War College right now.
Three of the folks in his class are current Delta/SF officers that just returned prior to 01 August from Afghanistan.
They have direct contact with the Pineapple Express operatives and many Afghanis in real time and reporting as more extractions occur.
630 is only a drop in the bucket as to what the Pineapple guys are actually accomplishing.
Great news all the way around.
There are always the "unsung" heroes in our midst!!
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Well, the US military is out. Unfortunately, somewhere between several hundred and several thousands American citizens are still trapped in Afghanistan. Add to that many thousands of green card holders. Oh and the Taliban have somewhere between $65 billion and $85 billion worth of the very finest American military equipment.
Biden held a press conference today and called the whole situation a "success." He took no questions and left the podium.
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Biden is going to call his complete disaster a "success" as long as the Democrat Party and the American Media back him up. People really are sheep, unless they have a brain in their head--I hate to be so cynical, but look at how gullible people are, really!
To be honest, not everybody is into politics, history, and current events. So I don't completely blame people for following the pied piper. College students really haven't developed their brains to the degree they think for themselves. The 1st issue they discover and they're on the bandwagon.
But God is on the throne, and the truth will come out. Trouble is, the truth may be that people like Biden and his socialist agenda. It is an elitism that promises the people that all their needs and wants will be met, if they just trust the political leadership.
Once people have given up their power, they will have no more power. There will be a political class in cahoots with the media and in cahoots with the very wealthy. The rest of us who have anything will have what we have given to those who don't, whether they're irresponsible or not. There will be only two classes--the elite and the serf class. Kind of like Communism. ;)
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Actually, there are two classes of people in this country.
Gun owners and targets.
I pray it never comes to that, but if there is a choice between my family's safety from imminent threat of bodily harm and your perceived need, well... sorry.
I may give to you... that is my choice.
You will not take from me... that is your choice.
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Actually, there are two classes of people in this country.
Gun owners and targets.
I pray it never comes to that, but if there is a choice between my family's safety from imminent threat of bodily harm and your perceived need, well... sorry.
I may give to you... that is my choice.
You will not take from me... that is your choice.
Incidentally, this principle is amply demonstrated in games like DayZ (Zombie survival open world). Sure, you can go around minding your own business, but when you encounter someone else what's the likelihood that they're going to shoot first, because they can't trust that you won't shoot first? More or less 100%. In that kind of circumstance, you run or hide if you aren't armed, or shoot first/shoot back if you are. These types of games are excellent psychological exercises: trust will get you killed.
Let's hope it never comes to that in reality.
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DayZ
I don't play DayZ, but I am a gamer and approve of gaming references!
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DayZ
I don't play DayZ, but I am a gamer and approve of gaming references!
Just remember.
In real life, you don't get additional lives, ammo runs out much quicker, and adrenaline will only take you so far.
But then, if you've used up all the ammo you can carry and are still standing, you are likely to be able to find plenty of free ammo lying around on the ground...