The Messiah

[Fenris]

"And Judas went out and hanged himself...  Matthew 27:5
"Go, and do thou likewise..."Luke 10:37b
"That thou doest, do quickly."   John 13:27a

[journeyman]

Nice subject change.

I didn't change the subject, or ever say the Messiah was loved by no one. People who truly love God love Jesus also,

Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me. Jn.8:42

You were commenting on how bad Jesus's treatment was, and I observed that according to the NT he was quite popular and loved. Your comment has nothing whatsoever to do with that.

Do you love our Lord Jesus Fenris?

[Fenris]

I didn't change the subject

Yes, you did, and you're doing it again here. Just admit my point and move on.

Do you love our Lord Jesus Fenris?

This is another subject change, and irrelevant to the topic at hand. It's a terrible way to debate.

[journeyman]

Yes, you did, and you're doing it again here. Just admit my point and move on.

This is another subject change, and irrelevant to the topic at hand. It's a terrible way to debate.

Loving the Messiah, from who the proper understanding of the scriptures come, is relevant to this discussion.

[Fenris]

One is not required to "love the messiah".

[journeyman]

One is not required to "love the messiah".

You are if God is your Father. The Messiah said,

If God were your Father, you would love me Jn.8:42

[Fenris]

You are if God is your Father. The Messiah said,

I do not believe that the messiah is God.

[journeyman]

I do not believe that the messiah is God.

Do you believe Jesus conquered death?

[Fenris]

Do you believe Jesus conquered death?

Nope.

[agnostic]

(Hint: Fenris doesn't believe Jesus was the messiah.)

[journeyman]

Nope.

So people in all the world who believe in the God of the Jews because of Jesus believe a lie...in your opinion?

[journeyman]

(Hint: Fenris doesn't believe Jesus was the messiah.)

I'm aware that Jewish people are waiting for another Messiah. Our Lord warned about that too.

[agnostic]

Oh, so you understand the utter pointlessness in asking someone who you know doesn't believe Jesus was the messiah "Do you love Jesus" and "Do you believe Jesus conquered death". Because doing that would just be condescending, now, wouldn't it?

[journeyman]

Oh, so you understand the utter pointlessness in asking someone who you know doesn't believe Jesus was the messiah "Do you love Jesus" and "Do you believe Jesus conquered death". Because doing that would just be condescending, now, wouldn't it?

Not at all, for obvious reasons.

[Fenris]

So people in all the world who believe in the God of the Jews because of Jesus believe a lie...in your opinion?

You're asking me if I believe that the Jews can be right and the rest of the world wrong. And my answer is yes.