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« on: November 09, 2025, 10:07:28 AM »
The Hebrew word for God (el) and it's variations (elohim, El Gibbohr, etc.) means mighty, strong. The English word God was first used by the pagans and then adopted for obvious reasons by the Christian missionaries, and means pour, libation, because that is what worship of the pagan gods involved. Liquid sacrifice literally and figuratively. Anoint, for example.   

Theology, that is, the study of gods (Greek theologia θεολογία), seems to have failed miserably if it's merits are judged by what is known about the subject given instead, it seems, to mystery. Perhaps that is due to the common occidental theistic and atheistic practice of exclusive devotion to the Abrahamic concept. It's the most common form of religious devotion in the West, so that is the primary idea.

A God can be anything or anyone. Mortal man or spirit being. 

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« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2025, 01:02:29 PM »
The Hebrew word for God (el) and it's variations (elohim, El Gibbohr, etc.) means mighty, strong
There are many other Hebrew words to denote "God" that do not use this form however.


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Perhaps that is due to the common occidental theistic and atheistic practice of exclusive devotion to the Abrahamic concept.
I don't know what this means.
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A God can be anything or anyone. Mortal man or spirit being.
For certain, the word "Elohim" can refer to human beings. See Exodus 7:1 for example. I do not agree that a human being is or can be God, or even a god.
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« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2025, 03:05:23 PM »
The Hebrew word for God (el) and it's variations (elohim, El Gibbohr, etc.) means mighty, strong. The English word God was first used by the pagans and then adopted for obvious reasons by the Christian missionaries, and means pour, libation, because that is what worship of the pagan gods involved. Liquid sacrifice literally and figuratively. Anoint, for example.   

Theology, that is, the study of gods (Greek theologia θεολογία), seems to have failed miserably if it's merits are judged by what is known about the subject given instead, it seems, to mystery. Perhaps that is due to the common occidental theistic and atheistic practice of exclusive devotion to the Abrahamic concept. It's the most common form of religious devotion in the West, so that is the primary idea.

A God can be anything or anyone. Mortal man or spirit being.


“When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’
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« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2025, 04:21:10 PM »
A God can be anything or anyone. Mortal man or spirit being.

Etymology isn't ontology; otherwise, 'nice' would still mean 'ignorant' and butterflies would be dairy products.

Nice post.



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« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2025, 11:03:10 PM »
“When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, ‘it means just what I choose it to mean — neither more nor less.’

Etymology isn't ontology; otherwise, 'nice' would still mean 'ignorant' and butterflies would be dairy products.

In every language ever known to man, in every time, every God had only one thing in common. One meaning. Mighty. Venerated. It doesn't matter if the god is mortal or immortal, fictional, or literal, supernatural or natural, good or evil, living or dead. It most only be, mighty and venerated.

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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2025, 11:13:16 PM »
There are many other Hebrew words to denote "God" that do not use this form however.

Not sure what you mean by that. Are you talking about names and descriptions? Like elohim, Michael, Elijah?

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Perhaps that is due to the common occidental theistic and atheistic practice of exclusive devotion to the Abrahamic concept.

I don't know what this means.

In Western culture the atheist take on God is almost exclusively a parody of the theistic - specifically Abrahamic - "sky daddy." The stereotypical magic supernatural creator. They don't see a god as Amaterasu, or Zeus.

For certain, the word "Elohim" can refer to human beings. See Exodus 7:1 for example. I do not agree that a human being is or can be God, or even a god.

The thing about me is that I know very little about modern day Jewish and Christian tradition. People think of those traditions as being scriptural but I don't. So, I don't see Exodus 7:1 where Jehovah makes Moses a god to Pharaoh as a problem or contradiction to the idea of human gods. Pharaohs were mortal gods. Moses was a mortal God. Jesus. The judges of Israel.

Given that, how, then, can your tradition, which I assume is Jewish, reconcile that a human can't be a god? 
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« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2025, 03:23:40 AM »
In every language ever known to man, in every time, every God had only one thing in common. One meaning. Mighty. Venerated. It doesn't matter if the god is mortal or immortal, fictional, or literal, supernatural or natural, good or evil, living or dead. It most only be, mighty and venerated.

That's not true.
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« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2025, 03:37:46 AM »
In every language ever known to man, in every time, every God had only one thing in common. One meaning. Mighty. Venerated. It doesn't matter if the god is mortal or immortal, fictional, or literal, supernatural or natural, good or evil, living or dead. It most only be, mighty and venerated.

That's not true.

Show me.

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« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2025, 04:56:35 AM »
In every language ever known to man, in every time, every God had only one thing in common. One meaning. Mighty. Venerated. It doesn't matter if the god is mortal or immortal, fictional, or literal, supernatural or natural, good or evil, living or dead. It most only be, mighty and venerated.

That's not true.

Show me.

Buzzing in the air
Aristaeus hums along
Such a busy bee
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« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2025, 07:06:15 AM »
I’ll see your haiku and raise you a doggerel and a limerick

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« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2025, 09:24:27 AM »
I’ll see your haiku and raise you a doggerel and a limerick

An attempt at a doggerel...

Buzzing up high in the sun's hazy glare,
Aristaeus darts swiftly through shimmering air.
He hums as he goes,
Inspecting each rose --
A busy bee with not a moment to spare!

And a limerick, too --

Aristaeus was humming with glee,
As he buzzed through the warm summer breeze.
With a drone in the air,
He worked hard everywhere --
Such a tirelessly busy young bee!

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« Reply #11 on: November 10, 2025, 10:10:40 AM »
I’ll see your haiku and raise you a doggerel and a limerick

An attempt at a doggerel...

Buzzing up high in the sun's hazy glare,
Aristaeus darts swiftly through shimmering air.
He hums as he goes,
Inspecting each rose --
A busy bee with not a moment to spare!

And a limerick, too --

Aristaeus was humming with glee,
As he buzzed through the warm summer breeze.
With a drone in the air,
He worked hard everywhere --
Such a tirelessly busy young bee!

[Sigh]

Are you two finished? What is being proposed here? [Slams fist on desk] Are you proposing this . . . this . . . mythological culture hero as a god?! That doesn't fit the category I insist upon?!

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« Reply #12 on: November 10, 2025, 10:30:40 AM »
[Sigh]

Are you two finished?

Where's the fun in that? I didn't even get to couplets! Let's do that, and then if you have any requests I'll give it/them a go.

Buzzing up high in the sun’s golden glare,
Aristaeus darts swiftly through shimmering air.

He hums as he goes, inspecting each rose,
A busy bee with no time to doze.

What is being proposed here? [Slams fist on desk] Are you proposing this . . . this . . . mythological culture hero as a god?! That doesn't fit the category I insist upon?!

You asked for an answer to when I said the below is false. Well, Aristaeus is an answer to your question.

"In every language ever known to man, in every time, every God had only one thing in common. One meaning. Mighty. Venerated. It doesn't matter if the god is mortal or immortal, fictional, or literal, supernatural or natural, good or evil, living or dead. It most only be, mighty and venerated."

By the way, "[Slams fist on desk]" and what follows reads incredibly bizarrely. This isn't a manga, senpai.
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« Reply #13 on: November 10, 2025, 11:12:38 AM »
Not sure what you mean by that. Are you talking about names and descriptions? Like elohim, Michael, Elijah?
Surely someone as fluent and versed in Hebrew as you are knows that the word "Elohim" is not the only Hebrew word for "God". We have YHVH, and Adonai, and Shaddai, and Tzevaot, and Ehyeh. And that doesn't even take into account the poetic names. But you knew all this, right?

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In Western culture the atheist take on God is almost exclusively a parody of the theistic - specifically Abrahamic - "sky daddy." The stereotypical magic supernatural creator. They don't see a god as Amaterasu, or Zeus.
I don't know what this means either.

For certain, the word "Elohim" can refer to human beings. See Exodus 7:1 for example. I do not agree that a human being is or can be God, or even a god.

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The thing about me is that I know very little about modern day Jewish and Christian tradition. People think of those traditions as being scriptural but I don't. So, I don't see Exodus 7:1 where Jehovah makes Moses a god to Pharaoh as a problem or contradiction to the idea of human gods. Pharaohs were mortal gods. Moses was a mortal God. Jesus. The judges of Israel.
Uhh are a Christian?

I don't know what "mortal god" means.
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Given that, how, then, can your tradition, which I assume is Jewish, reconcile that a human can't be a god?
Because no place in Judaism do we have a human god. Like your screed on Gen 1, you just made up a term.
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« Reply #14 on: November 10, 2025, 11:15:08 AM »
By the way, "[Slams fist on desk]" and what follows reads incredibly bizarrely. This isn't a manga, senpai.
Maybe he destroyed his keyboard in rage? That happened to me once when I was playing the original Baldur's Gate. You started with a level one character, and lemme tell you, it was super annoying when kobolds one-shot you.
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