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Fenris

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Re: Deutoronomy 30: 20
« Reply #30 on: October 06, 2025, 12:55:45 PM »
The Septuagint is a translation of Tanakh and a collection of other writings.
And we have no idea who translated it. It has obvious errors. It is not canonical nor authoritative for me and many other people.


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The Samaritan Hebrew text of the Old Testament is a translation of the first five books of Moses in the Tanakh.
The Samaritan bible is not a "translation", it's a tampered version of the Hebrew bible. It says that mount Gerizim is the holy city, when Judaism, history, and archeology all say that it's Jerusalem. They threw out all the books of the bible aside from the Pentateuch. It's not even clear that Samaritans are Jews. Their bible is not canonical and not authoritative.

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The Latin Vulgate is a translation of the Bible including the Tanakh.
I have no idea who translated it and I don't care. It's not authoritative to me.

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The Dead Sea Scrolls were written by Jews in Hebrew during the Second Temple period.
And we don't know who. Essenes? Sadducees? Whoever it was, it as a sect that no longer exists. Were they even considered authoritative to the peope who wrote them? If you're going to consider documents to be of value from defunct religious sects, does that mean you have to accept the writings of Marcion? Of the Ebionites? What about Catharism? How about the Book of Mormon?

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If it were not for these ancient documents, the Jews today would be stuck with a badly corrupted Jewish text and the Christians today would have very inaccurate Bibles.
Again, I find it amusing that you believe that everyone except the Jews has the correct Jewish bible.
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Most unfortunately, however, many observing Jews and fundamentalist Christians are so severely caught up in superstition and inexcusable willful ignorance that they are relying upon corrupted texts rather than the word of God.
I can't speak for Christians, but I can assure you that no observant Jews rely on anything except the Hebrew version.
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Athanasius

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Re: Deutoronomy 30: 20
« Reply #31 on: October 06, 2025, 01:09:57 PM »
I can't speak for Christians, but I can assure you that no observant Jews rely on anything except the Hebrew version.

We only use it when we can pick and choose to say someone else is sinning, while ignoring the rest of the book.

I'm feeling cynical today.
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Fenris

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Re: Deutoronomy 30: 20
« Reply #32 on: October 22, 2025, 12:07:51 PM »
It is true that that very many Jews have set up the Masoretic text as an idol to be worshipped.


Just to revisit this.

Jews do not "worship" the text of the bible as an idol. We treat it with great reverence, since it is the word of God.

What follows is a Jewish prayer said every morning:

With eternal love have You loved us, O Lord our God; with overwhelming compassion have you dealt with us. Our Father, our King, for the sake of our ancestors who trusted in You, and to whom You therefore taught the laws of life, may you be gracious to us and teach us as well.  Our Father, merciful Father, have mercy upon us, instilling in our hearts the will to understand and to elucidate, to listen, to learn and teach, to observe and fulfill all the words of Your Torah’s teaching with love.

Enlighten our eyes with Your Torah, attach our hearts to Your commandments, and unify our hearts to love and revere Your Name. Then shall we never feel shame, never be embarrassed and never stumble. Because we have trusted in Your great, holy and awesome Name, may we exultantly rejoice in Your deliverance. Gather us in peace from the four corners of the earth, and lead us upright to our land.

O God Who works wonders, You have chosen us from every people and tongue, and brought us close to Your great Name in truth, so that we might acknowledge You and proclaim Your oneness in love.

Blessed are You, O Lord, who chooses Your people Israel in love.


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Re: Deutoronomy 30: 20
« Reply #33 on: October 23, 2025, 07:39:36 AM »
You could have stopped that last sentence after the word “ignorance.”



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