George Floyd's murder and racism

[Rebecca]

No
He was convicted because he’s stupid and the justice system is broken

Guess you believe OJ is innocent also.

[Oscar_Kipling]

Where is the popcorn emoji when you really need it !?!?!

[Fenris]

Floyd was killed by Chauvin's illegal
placing of his knee on the victim's neck and refusing to move it after pleas for mercy.

In what way was it illegal to pin him down like that? In what way did it cause his death? These are not abstract questions, but material to the case.

A jury convicted Chauvin of murder.

Juries are composed of flawed human beings who can make mistakes.

[Fenris]

He was convicted because he’s stupid

I can't tell you how many cops are thinking "There but for the grace of God go I".

[RabbiKnife]

He was convicted because he’s stupid

I can't tell you how many cops are thinking "There but for the grace of God go I".

Fully agreed.  I've got a lot of those friends here on the local PD, and I represent a number of them as clients in civil matters.

The totality of the crap storm that was that arrest is monumental in size, and the atmosphere generated by the media and local government was a pot waiting to boil.

Chauvin's stupidity was in not recognizing that he was in a war zone of someone's making until it was too late.  I personally don't have a problem with the take down, but when you are in Oz, you shouldn't pee on the Wizard's leg.  The totality of the situational awareness outside of his procedure escaped him, and it cost him dearly.  Said another way, the societal shifts had removed normal police procedure from his power.   Chauvin was a victim of societal degeneration.

And sadly.

[IMINXTC]

Floyd was killed by Chauvin's illegal
placing of his knee on the victim's neck and refusing to move it after pleas for mercy.

In what way was it illegal to pin him down like that? In what way did it cause his death? These are not abstract questions, but material to the case.

That particular hold is forbidden in Chauvin's jurisdiction.

A jury convicted Chauvin of murder.
Juries are composed of flawed human beings who can make mistakes.

That is the system we have and  appeals are part of that process. I heard the medical testimony but cannot retrieve it at this time (driving.

[Fenris]

Chauvin's stupidity was in not recognizing that he was in a war zone of someone's making until it was too late.  I personally don't have a problem with the take down, but when you are in Oz, you shouldn't pee on the Wizard's leg.  The totality of the situational awareness outside of his procedure escaped him, and it cost him dearly.  Said another way, the societal shifts had removed normal police procedure from his power.   Chauvin was a victim of societal degeneration.

I love your use of the term "societal shifts". Yes, it has happened. Yes, it has changed policing. I myself was aware of it ongoing and became very careful during my interaction with the public. Perhaps it was more visible and more obvious because I worked in a very Democrat city. But if I was in a protracted struggle with a powerful perpetrator, as Chauvin was, I might have forgotten also. Anyway...

[Fenris]

That particular hold is forbidden in Chauvin's jurisdiction.

Is it against police procedure? Or illegal? Those are two different things.

That is the system we have and  appeals are part of that process

Which are also decided by flawed human being.

I heard the medical testimony but cannot retrieve it at this time

The medical facts are conflicting.

[RabbiKnife]

Chauvin's stupidity was in not recognizing that he was in a war zone of someone's making until it was too late.  I personally don't have a problem with the take down, but when you are in Oz, you shouldn't pee on the Wizard's leg.  The totality of the situational awareness outside of his procedure escaped him, and it cost him dearly.  Said another way, the societal shifts had removed normal police procedure from his power.   Chauvin was a victim of societal degeneration.

I love your use of the term "societal shifts". Yes, it has happened. Yes, it has changed policing. I myself was aware of it ongoing and became very careful during my interaction with the public. Perhaps it was more visible and more obvious because I worked in a very Democrat city. But if I was in a protracted struggle with a powerful perpetrator, as Chauvin was, I might have forgotten also. Anyway...

All of my local police friends that they would have stepped back, cleared leather, and upon Floyd’s first step in their direction they would have Swiss cheesed him.

But then, law and order had broken down long before the police showed up in the scene

For one, my friend, I’m glad you are off the streets enjoying a well earned pension

[Oscar_Kipling]

Chauvin's stupidity was in not recognizing that he was in a war zone of someone's making until it was too late.  I personally don't have a problem with the take down, but when you are in Oz, you shouldn't pee on the Wizard's leg.  The totality of the situational awareness outside of his procedure escaped him, and it cost him dearly.  Said another way, the societal shifts had removed normal police procedure from his power.   Chauvin was a victim of societal degeneration.

I love your use of the term "societal shifts". Yes, it has happened. Yes, it has changed policing. I myself was aware of it ongoing and became very careful during my interaction with the public. Perhaps it was more visible and more obvious because I worked in a very Democrat city. But if I was in a protracted struggle with a powerful perpetrator, as Chauvin was, I might have forgotten also. Anyway...

All of my local police friends that they would have stepped back, cleared leather, and upon Floyd’s first step in their direction they would have Swiss cheesed him.

But then, law and order had broken down long before the police showed up in the scene

For one, my friend, I’m glad you are off the streets enjoying a well earned pension

I'm glad he's off the streets too...and I for one would encourage your local police friends to perhaps get off the streets as well and move into the exciting field of fromagery as it seems a fun, safe and fulfilling way to make swiss and many other cheeses.

[Fenris]

For one, my friend, I’m glad you are off the streets enjoying a well earned pension

Thank you for your kind words. God bless you, my friend.

[IMINXTC]

Many social commentators, when asked about the circumstances leading to violence in urban centers invariably call for Government infusions, called investments, of billions of dollars in programs aimed at target communites.

This is basically a crock, if not an outright protection racket, IMO.

Non profit or private funding of remedial social outreaches is fine, but progressive, tax funded programs amount to social engineering at the taxpayers' expense. And they rarely work.

IMO.

[RabbiKnife]

Amen

[tango]

Many social commentators, when asked about the circumstances leading to violence in urban centers invariably call for Government infusions, called investments, of billions of dollars in programs aimed at target communites.

This is basically a crock, if not an outright protection racket, IMO.

Non profit or private funding of remedial social outreaches is fine, but progressive, tax funded programs amount to social engineering at the taxpayers' expense. And they rarely work.

IMO.

If they didn't work they wouldn't be done. The question is what does "working" actually mean - if the intention is to lift people out of poverty they clearly don't work. If the intention is to keep people poor enough they keep coming back for the freebies while giving them just enough they won't vote for anything that might take away the freebies, then they work very well. As a means of buying votes they are probably very effective.

[RabbiKnife]

D’Toqueville was a prophet.