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Differences in Bibles
« on: November 30, 2022, 02:49:38 PM »
Hi all,

Was reading through Palms 19 and had a script of the same from a Catholic friend, realized how different the text and language is.  Anyone have an idea on what the original text says?  I’d love a Aramaic - English Bible to see the text in that vs what I own now…

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« Reply #1 on: November 30, 2022, 03:33:31 PM »
Hi all,

Was reading through Palms 19 and had a script of the same from a Catholic friend, realized how different the text and language is.  Anyone have an idea on what the original text says?  I’d love a Aramaic - English Bible to see the text in that vs what I own now…

Psalm 19 was written in Hebrew, and you would be interested in an interlinear bible. Example https://biblehub.com/interlinear/psalms/19.htm.
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« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2022, 03:58:10 PM »
I'm not aware of an Aramaic-English interlinear or side by side of the OT on line, although there are some versions available for purchase.
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« Reply #3 on: December 04, 2022, 07:29:07 PM »
Hi all,

Was reading through Palms 19 and had a script of the same from a Catholic friend, realized how different the text and language is.  Anyone have an idea on what the original text says?  I’d love a Aramaic - English Bible to see the text in that vs what I own now…


Yes unfortunately by satans will some things have been altered in bibles. The biggest being the removal of Gods name to mislead. The wicked removed it by satans will from fear of taking Gods name in vain. The reality of that is the righteous do not take the name in vain, only the wicked do. Thus all using those altered versions are being mislead to support satans will over Gods will but few realize it. Nearly 7000 spots it was removed. Every spot in OT where GOD or LORD all capitols is the tetragramoton was there=YHWH(Jehovah)--almost 200 spots in NT it belongs where the OT is quoted and the name belongs.
Jerome told the Pope prior to the Latin Vulgate that Gods name belongs in the NT as well. I do not know if it was allowed or not.

One need ask why is my religion using altered versions when the scholars know its 100% fact.

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« Reply #4 on: December 05, 2022, 03:54:44 AM »
Goodbye, and ἄπαγε.
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« Reply #5 on: December 05, 2022, 01:25:58 PM »
RATS!
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Re: Differences in Bibles
« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2023, 11:56:12 AM »
Hi all,

Was reading through Palms 19 and had a script of the same from a Catholic friend, realized how different the text and language is.  Anyone have an idea on what the original text says?  I’d love a Aramaic - English Bible to see the text in that vs what I own now…
Here is a great site for studying the older versions of Scripture, many of which are much more accurate than today's counterfeits.

http://www.oldebible.com/

One of the most amazing discoveries I've made, I believe from the Wycliffe, Tyndale and Great Bible, if not more of them, is Psalm 119. I was already aware of how much the modern versions, especially the KJV, emphasize adherence to the 10 Commandments, but these older versions reveal that there was even more written about them than our newer versions imply. You can take every single word 'precept' used in Psalm 119 and change it to Commandments.

The 10 Commandments were always meant to be adhered to by Christians -  that is followers of Christ. As Christ obeyed them all (John 15:10), taught them all (Matt. 23:1-3) and we are told by John to do the same (1 John 2:6). (Matt. 5:19)

Yes, I know most of the posts/threads I am replying to are ancient. That's ok with me. Maybe somebody will respond, maybe not. No matter.

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« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2023, 02:22:44 PM »
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« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2023, 02:24:42 PM »
Hi all,

Was reading through Palms 19 and had a script of the same from a Catholic friend, realized how different the text and language is.  Anyone have an idea on what the original text says?  I’d love a Aramaic - English Bible to see the text in that vs what I own now…
Here is a great site for studying the older versions of Scripture, many of which are much more accurate than today's counterfeits.

http://www.oldebible.com/

One of the most amazing discoveries I've made, I believe from the Wycliffe, Tyndale and Great Bible, if not more of them, is Psalm 119. I was already aware of how much the modern versions, especially the KJV, emphasize adherence to the 10 Commandments, but these older versions reveal that there was even more written about them than our newer versions imply. You can take every single word 'precept' used in Psalm 119 and change it to Commandments.

The 10 Commandments were always meant to be adhered to by Christians -  that is followers of Christ. As Christ obeyed them all (John 15:10), taught them all (Matt. 23:1-3) and we are told by John to do the same (1 John 2:6). (Matt. 5:19)

Yes, I know most of the posts/threads I am replying to are ancient. That's ok with me. Maybe somebody will respond, maybe not. No matter.

Yeah, imma reply and tell you that I have 0 patience for "today's counterfeits" when it comes to biblical translation. It's great that you've learned something from reading old(er) versions, but let's keep it at that. Any hammering on about counterfeits can happen somewhere else.
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Re: Differences in Bibles
« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2023, 03:02:52 PM »
Hi all,

Was reading through Palms 19 and had a script of the same from a Catholic friend, realized how different the text and language is.  Anyone have an idea on what the original text says?  I’d love a Aramaic - English Bible to see the text in that vs what I own now…
Here is a great site for studying the older versions of Scripture, many of which are much more accurate than today's counterfeits.

http://www.oldebible.com/

One of the most amazing discoveries I've made, I believe from the Wycliffe, Tyndale and Great Bible, if not more of them, is Psalm 119. I was already aware of how much the modern versions, especially the KJV, emphasize adherence to the 10 Commandments, but these older versions reveal that there was even more written about them than our newer versions imply. You can take every single word 'precept' used in Psalm 119 and change it to Commandments.

The 10 Commandments were always meant to be adhered to by Christians -  that is followers of Christ. As Christ obeyed them all (John 15:10), taught them all (Matt. 23:1-3) and we are told by John to do the same (1 John 2:6). (Matt. 5:19)

Yes, I know most of the posts/threads I am replying to are ancient. That's ok with me. Maybe somebody will respond, maybe not. No matter.

Yeah, imma reply and tell you that I have 0 patience for "today's counterfeits" when it comes to biblical translation. It's great that you've learned something from reading old(er) versions, but let's keep it at that. Any hammering on about counterfeits can happen somewhere else.
You mean you don't allow any discussion about the differences in Bibles on YOUR site?

Just for clarification.

And I was only responding to a pre-existing thread "ABOUT" differences in Bibles.

Shame on me.

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« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2023, 03:10:05 PM »
You mean you don't allow any discussion about the differences in Bibles on YOUR site?

Just for clarification.

And I was only responding to a pre-existing thread "ABOUT" differences in Bibles.

Shame on me.

Don't worry Gibbs, I was perfectly clear:

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I have 0 patience for "today's counterfeits" when it comes to biblical translation

Talk about differences all you want. Talk about how and why translation A renders verse X better than translation B until you're blue in the face if you want. But talk about "today's counterfeits" somewhere else. I'm sure there are plenty of places that enjoy playing Textus Receptus bingo (and other trivia). This ain't one of them.
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Re: Differences in Bibles
« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2023, 03:25:22 PM »
You mean you don't allow any discussion about the differences in Bibles on YOUR site?

Just for clarification.

And I was only responding to a pre-existing thread "ABOUT" differences in Bibles.

Shame on me.

Don't worry Gibbs, I was perfectly clear:

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I have 0 patience for "today's counterfeits" when it comes to biblical translation

Talk about differences all you want. Talk about how and why translation A renders verse X better than translation B until you're blue in the face if you want. But talk about "today's counterfeits" somewhere else. I'm sure there are plenty of places that enjoy playing Textus Receptus bingo (and other trivia). This ain't one of them.
Gotcha. I see it's the wording that offends you so.

What do you call a Bible that completely alters the meaning of a verse, or removes it entirely from the text?

An authentic bible that has been altered and diminished extensively?

Happy to use your wording in the future here.

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« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2023, 03:57:50 PM »
Gotcha. I see it's the wording that offends you so.

What do you call a Bible that completely alters the meaning of a verse, or removes it entirely from the text?

An authentic bible that has been altered and diminished extensively?

Happy to use your wording in the future here.

Offended? No, if you could see my face now you'd think me bored.

I'm a simple m... er, something, and I like precise speech. You are, I'm sure, well aware that talk of "counterfeit translations" carries certain connotations with it. It's not some innocent observation. It's quite a particular way of talking: a fraudulent translation that purports to be the real thing. It's quite the indictment.

Of course, there are circumstances where such wording is perhaps applicable, such as the NWT. But even here we need to be responsible.

Do you have an example of a verse that has been completely altered, or removed from the text? I think there are like, 16 or so verses that fall under the 'removed' category if you want to talk about those, or anything else, really.
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« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2023, 04:19:24 PM »
Yeah, imma reply and tell you that I have 0 patience for "today's counterfeits" when it comes to biblical translation.
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« Reply #14 on: February 07, 2023, 04:20:39 PM »
You are, I'm sure, well aware that talk of "counterfeit translations" carries certain connotations with it. It's not some innocent observation. It's quite a particular way of talking: a fraudulent translation that purports to be the real thing. It's quite the indictment.
No, I have no idea what you're talking about.

Who, specifically, does it cast dispersions upon? Who does it indict or malign so?

It very much is an innocent observation.

If you find a product that is a cheap knock-off of the original, and its quality is very much lacking - using cheaper materials and shoddy craftsmanship, etc., is it an attack on somebody specific to declare that the cheap copy is just that - a counterfeit?
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Do you have an example of a verse that has been completely altered, or removed from the text?
Sure. The first one that comes to mind is Proverbs 18:1. Read the KJV version of it and compare that to each and every more modern translation. It is, without debate, twisted and perverted beyond comprehension from the original meaning of the text.

 

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