Moral Courage or Foolishness? Ukraine.

[Fenris]

Aid them in whatever hinders them from traveling.

But don't protect them or help them protect themselves?

I've been on Bibleforums on and off since about 2005 and this is the most surprised I've been in a long time.

[Athanasius]

Yes and also strangers. We should support safe havens for people fleeing from those who want to harm them.

This is all very... naive.

[journeyman]

But don't protect them or help them protect themselves?

I've been on Bibleforums on and off since about 2005 and this is the most surprised I've been in a long time.

You're still waiting for the Messiah, so there ya go.

[journeyman]

This is all very... naive.

Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy sword into the sheath: the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it? Jn.18:11

And Jesus said unto them, Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of.....
Mk.10:39

I'm sure Jesus and his followers could have killed the people who murdered them. To think otherwise is naive.

[Athanasius]

This is all very... naive.

Then said Jesus unto Peter, Put up thy sword into the sheath: the cup which my Father hath given me, shall I not drink it? Jn.18:11

And Jesus said unto them, Ye shall indeed drink of the cup that I drink of.....
Mk.10:39

I'm sure Jesus and his followers could have killed the people who murdered them. To think otherwise is naive.

Right, I forgot the Christian tendency to compare every situation on the planet to some event in the life of Jesus and the apostles. What does Fenris waiting for the Messiah have to do with anything, again? That's not a question.

This war isn't about Jesus and his followers allowing what they allowed to happen to them, in line with God's plan for Jesus and the apostles. The naivety of your view arises from the gleeful notion that Russia, and aggressor states like her, will allow others to help those they - Russia - war against to flee to safe locations. Down what, roads that are actively being shelled, or are mined, or set up for ambush? If you want to put yourself into that situation or put others into that situation, then there is inherent danger involved. You wish to sheath your sword in a context where that may very well be impossible.

So, naive is the word I chose.

[Fenris]

You're still waiting for the Messiah, so there ya go.

What does one have to do with the other? I'm still waiting for the messiah, so it's ducky that you ignore human suffering? Sure, whatever.

[Fenris]

You wish to sheath your sword in a context where that may very well be impossible.

And it seems straightforward to observe that the pacifist sides with the aggressor. Why would the devout do this?

[IMINXTC]

And when they take him out they will need to be sure his deadly wound is not healed again.

[Fenris]

I'm sure Jesus and his followers could have killed the people who murdered them.

If someone chooses to be a martyr that's their personal decision. That doesn't make it moral to stand by while someone else is being killed. This isn't a difficult concept.

[Athanasius]

And it seems straightforward to observe that the pacifist sides with the aggressor. Why would the devout do this?

Your guess is as good as mine.

[journeyman]

Right, I forgot the Christian tendency to compare every situation on the planet to some event in the life of Jesus and the apostles.

You don't have a better way to defeat your enemies than Jesus did.

What does Fenris waiting for the Messiah have to do with anything, again? That's not a question.

Fenris doesn't believe Jesus defeated his enemies . Apparently he's not going to hear about it from you.

This war isn't about Jesus and his followers allowing what they allowed to happen to them, in line with God's plan for Jesus and the apostles. The naivety of your view arises from the gleeful notion that Russia, and aggressor states like her, will allow others to help those they - Russia - war against to flee to safe locations. Down what, roads that are actively being shelled, or are mined, or set up for ambush? If you want to put yourself into that situation or put others into that situation, then there is inherent danger involved. You wish to sheath your sword in a context where that may very well be impossible.

So, naive is the word I chose.

People who think the actions of Russia are anything more than sinful conduct are naive. They need to hear and be shown the gospel and if they want to ambush believers after that, they'll regret it before the judgement seat of Jesus.

[journeyman]

What does one have to do with the other? I'm still waiting for the messiah, so it's ducky that you ignore human suffering? Sure, whatever.

The Messiah didn't ignore human suffering. He bore it head on.

[journeyman]

And it seems straightforward to observe that the pacifist sides with the aggressor. Why would the devout do this?

And why does the God you believe in put up with the sins of mankind every day?

[Athanasius]

You don't have a better way to defeat your enemies than Jesus did.

The Jesus of John 18 and Matthew 10 wasn't concerned with defeating his enemies within the context we're discussing. The Jesus of Revelation is a different story. Either way, your appeal is misguided, and I'm not saying I have a better way to defeat my enemies than Jesus.

Fenris doesn't believe Jesus defeated his enemies . Apparently he's not going to hear about it from you.

What value do you bring to these discussions? Because no one has to hear anything from you.

eople who think the actions of Russia are anything more than sinful conduct are naive. They need to hear and be shown the gospel and if they want to ambush believers after that, they'll regret it before the judgement seat of Jesus.

How very Platonic. But even Socrates went to war.

[RabbiKnife]

All actions of all people are sinful.