Biden’s Afghanistan Blunder

[Fenris]

US officials now appealing to the Taliban to wait for the completion of the U.S. evacuation saying that doing so would increase "the likelihood that both the international community and Afghans will accept the Taliban’s entry into the capital."

[Slug1]

So you want the US army to use it's power on American soil in a manner not authorized by the Constitution?

No, I'm saying that when the Military acts, it will be because of the Constitution.

That may very well be true. But their Secretarys of State certified their election results. It's over. There's no such thing as undoing an election.

Certification was done with "false" results. Once the Audits have proven this... what's next? Continue to allow the loser to be the winner?

That's a state issue not a federal issue. There isn't even a federal right to vote.

Wrong isn't made right by saying it's a state issue, not a federal issue.

And if they didn't? What is your solution?

I believe the Military will step in.

Soo...what are we talking about here?

First we have the elections, followed by attempts to bring evidence of fraud to judges to allow into court, judges refuse to view evidence, cases denied. Inauguration happens, person in the office of the President begins to dismantle America, evidence is still denied, attempts at Supreme Court, also denied = ALL legal means exhausted. Evidence is still denied. Audits commence and soon, the evidence the audits verify will go public. Who has the original evidence that was denied all legal action? Who also has, or will have all the verified evidence?

The Military.

Antifa is a law enforcement issue, not a US army issue.

They "were" a law enforcement jurisdiction. Again, why designate them a terrorist threat to America?

And that's a state issue. Not a federal or US army issue.

It is a Military issue if those (state) actions resulted in an unelected person being inaugurated.

Biden was indeed elected by the electoral college.

We will know this to be true or false when the Audit results are made public.

So what's your scenario? Don't be coy, spell it out. What's going to happen?

Steps either 1 or 2 after the Military removes the person who has been dismantling America.

[Slug1]

By brother is at War College right now.  Believe me, all the general officers that want to stay in service are a part of the work cabal.  O-6’s that want to get enough time in to retire on O-6 retirement pay walk an extremely narrow path.

There are enough who are Patriots.

[Fenris]

No, I'm saying that when the Military acts, it will be because of the Constitution.

And this power is enumerated...where?

You're saying that the election defied the Constitution, so now it's ok if the US army defies the Constitution. That's tyranny. 

Certification was done with "false" results.

I've been waiting years for this "proof" that's somehow always supposed to be found in the next audit.

Once the Audits have proven this... what's next? Continue to allow the loser to be the winner?

Failure on a state level doesn't authorize undoing election on a federal level. The electoral college cast their votes. 

Wrong isn't made right by saying it's a state issue, not a federal issue.

The laws were followed on the federal level.

First we have the elections, followed by attempts to bring evidence of fraud to judges to allow into court, judges refuse to view evidence, cases denied. Inauguration happens, person in the office of the President begins to dismantle America, evidence is still denied, attempts at Supreme Court, also denied = ALL legal means exhausted.

Or (and this is also possible) nobody found the "evidence" convincing.

I heard the left whining for four years that Trump was "not my president". How is this any different? The election is over. Move on. 2022 and 2024.

Who also has, or will have all the verified evidence?

The Military.

Ummm I feel weird saying this to a former member of the military, but this isn't what the American military does. They're not some sort of final arbiter in election matters. 

They "were" a law enforcement jurisdiction. Again, why designate them a terrorist threat to America?

Who designated them a terrorist group?

[Fenris]

The Afghan government has surrendered to the Taliban. Shades of Vietnam, US embassy personnel are being evacuated by helicopter from the roof of the building.

Russia will not be closing their embassy.

The Chinese government is recognizing the Taliban as the legitimate Afghan government.

In my opinion, Joe Biden has overtaken Jimmy Carter as the worst US president in my lifetime, and it took him a mere 7 months in office to do so.

[Fenris]

Watching Al-Qaeda and the Taliban celebrate the 20th anniversary of 9/11 in Kabul is going to be the worst.

[Fenris]

US Sec. of State Blinken insists Afghan mission 'successful'.

These are not serious people.

[Fenris]

BREAKING: Afghan President Ghani has fled the country. “That’s it. It’s over,” U.S. official says

[Fenris]

US AMBASSADOR HAS LEFT THE EMBASSY IN KABUL. He and the flag are at the airport.

[Slug1]

You're saying that the election defied the Constitution, so now it's ok if the US army defies the Constitution. That's tyranny.

If the Constitution is defied based on the evidence revealing a faulty election and the perpetrators (the cheaters) strive to remain in power, that is tyranny. It is the Military who will step in to end that tyranny = defend the Constitution from enemies both foreign and domestic.

In all honesty, if the Audits clear who's dismantling America by revealing he was elected... then let him continue to dismantle America, it's what America apparently wants. Then we will wait through 2022 and 2024 to see if American's have opened their eyes (aware/awake) or just remain woke (blind/asleep).

[Fenris]

If the Constitution is defied based on the evidence revealing a faulty election and the perpetrators (the cheaters) strive to remain in power, that is tyranny.

As they say, "if" is the longest two letter word in the English language. We've been waiting for this "proof" since election day and it has yet to materialize.

It is the Military who will step in to end that tyranny = defend the Constitution from enemies both foreign and domestic.

Again, the military is not the final arbiter into whether the election was legitimate or not.

[Fenris]

In what is a surprise to me, the mainstream media are being truthful in Biden's role in this catastrophe.

Saigon 2.0: The Fall of Kabul

AUGUST 15, 2021 MIKE COTÉ

The humiliation of the United States and the total collapse of Afghanistan will be a disaster for American power for years to come.

Many pundits have compared the current catastrophe in Afghanistan to the fall of Saigon to the North Vietnamese in 1975. In quite a few respects, those commenters are not wrong, and the similarities are echoed by the images coming out of Kabul today. The photo above is eerily reminiscent of the famed images of a helicopter airlift from the US Embassy in Saigon and videos coming out of the Kabul airport are just as heartbreaking and terrifying as those from South Vietnam almost 50 years ago. Our precipitous withdrawal will lead to thousands of refugees, greater civil violence, and horrible human rights abuses by a totalitarian Islamic dictatorship that sees its mission as forcibly bringing jihad to the entire world.

But in some ways, this collapse is worse and could lead to an even greater debasement of American perception and power overseas. First off, Afghanistan’s collapse happened immediately, whereas the South Vietnamese government held out for years after US troops officially left the country. Part of that rapid collapse must be laid at the feet of the Afghan government and military, which have been corrupt and incompetent since the early days of American intervention. Another part of the blame falls on the American national security establishment, which seems to have utterly failed to prepare for the withdrawal that has been promised by political leaders for over a decade. Those political leaders, especially our current President, also shoulder a great deal of the blame for this complete shambles; the Biden team has consistently focused on weak-kneed messaging and whistling past the graveyard instead of actually doing contingency planning for the re-Taliban-ization of Afghanistan. As I’ve written before, I see this withdrawal as fundamentally flawed and counter to American national interests; but the way that this evacuation is happening and the total failure of the US to withdraw in an orderly manner has been the rotten cherry on top of a garbage sundae.

We left rapidly, with no military support on the ground for our diplomatic personnel and civilians, and our President seems to have thought that this would not embolden the Taliban to attack with gusto to fill the security vacuum we were leaving. The quotes from both Biden and his team have been staggering to read given the reality on the ground in Kabul, where former Afghan President Ashraf Ghani has fled and our embassy has been closed down after burning sensitive documents. Here’s a taste of Biden’s comments, only made a month ago – in response to a question asking whether a Taliban takeover of Afghanistan was inevitable, Biden answered “No, it is not.” He also said the following, which is honestly almost hard to believe in light of what’s happened since: “The Taliban is not the south – the North Vietnamese Army. They’re not – they’re not remotely comparable in terms of capability. There’s going to be no circumstance where you see people being lifted off the roof of a embassy in the – of the United States in Afghanistan. It is not at all comparable.” I would say that I’m shocked, but Joe Biden has been consistently wrong on nearly every foreign policy issue he’s ever touched; why would this be any different? Secretary of State Antony Blinken has not exactly covered himself in glory either, but his remarks in June to Congress look almost funny in hindsight; he said, in regards to Afghan allies applying for visas, that “Whatever happens in Afghanistan, if there is a significant deterioration in security…I don’t think it’s going to be something that happens from a Friday to a Monday.” Reader, that is almost exactly what has happened. The Taliban has essentially taken the entire country over in a weekend. One during which our President is on vacation, no less. Absurd dereliction of duty all around.

Besides the horrors about to be visited on the Afghan people and the impact on the Americans who faithfully served their country for years in Afghanistan, there is another long-term concern that worries me deeply – the impact on our national prestige and how that impacts the risk-reward calculations of our geopolitical foes. After the embarrassment that was the fall of Saigon and the American lack of political resolve in the Vietnam War, our enemies were emboldened and violence that hurt our national interests rose. Less than 5 years after the fall of South Vietnam, hundreds of Americans were held captive by a budding theocracy in Tehran, the Soviets had invaded Afghanistan, and American power seemed to be on the wane in the face of adversity. Our modern adversaries are taking very careful note of our epic display of weakness here, and the images and videos of our humiliation are being broadcast around the world via the Internet in a way that they never could be in 1975; there are budding jihadists across the globe who are watching the military success of their Afghan compatriots in real time and thinking, “Why can’t we do that here?” Still, the bigger worry is that the leaders – and the people – of our Great Power rivals are watching this just as intently. If Vladimir Putin saw President Obama’s weakness in Syria as license to take Crimea illegally (and he did), what will he be thinking today watching Obama’s Vice President display an even greater capacity for incompetence and capitulation? If I were a leader in Ukraine, Georgia, or the Baltics, I’d be looking to arm my country as quickly as possible. And Putin isn’t the only wolf licking his lips right now; Chinese dictator Xi Jinping is greedily eyeing Taiwan in the same way. China was already pressuring Taiwan in unprecedented fashion, and now they must be watching the US inability and unwillingness to support a long-term military mission and seeing an opportunity to act. The CCP has also already begun to co-opt the Taliban into its own version of global order with diplomatic recognition & Belt and Road funds. Lesser powers like Iran and North Korea are paying close attention as well, all of which will lead to further foreign crises in the coming years.

What happens in Afghanistan doesn’t stay in Afghanistan, as we so painfully learned on a bright Tuesday morning almost 20 years ago. This debacle of a withdrawal will not only impact Afghanistan and open the door for more terrorist action against American assets and citizens, it will embolden our enemies throughout the world, cause destabilizing conflicts, and reduce currently free people to a life of unfreedom and despair. I wish it were not the case, but we must be ready for the consequences of our actions – they won’t be good.

[Slug1]

Who designated them a terrorist group?

I found something interesting, missed it till now. Question first, do you believe that person(s) who are doing wrong, usually try to "project" wrong doing onto those who are "not" doing the wrong doing?

Does this question make sense  because I'm trying to word it correctly.
Anyway, check this out which was posted on 13 August: https://www.dhs.gov/ntas/advisory/national-terrorism-advisory-system-bulletin-august-13-2021
The beginning of the post:

Summary of Terrorism Threat to the U.S. HomelandThe Secretary of Homeland Security has issued a new National Terrorism Advisory System (NTAS) Bulletin regarding the current heightened threat environment across the United States.  The Homeland continues to face a diverse and challenging threat environment leading up to and following the 20th Anniversary of the September 11, 2001 attacks as well religious holidays we assess could serve as a catalyst for acts of targeted violence. These threats include those posed by domestic terrorists, individuals and groups engaged in grievance-based violence, and those inspired or motivated by foreign terrorists and other malign foreign influences. These actors are increasingly exploiting online forums to influence and spread violent extremist narratives and promote violent activity. Such threats are also exacerbated by impacts of the ongoing global pandemic, including grievances over public health safety measures and perceived government restrictions.

Now, reality... what groups do violence, burn cars, buildings, raid police stations and destroy as much as possible, etc? All the while being supported by many "woke" leaders in blue states and left government officials?

We know it's not those who still support President Trump, we know it's not anti-vaxxers, anti-maskers, unbelievers that Covid is a "real" pandemic, church goers, parents who defend their children as parents demand a stop to mask mandates for children who are what, 99.988888888888% immune to what is called Covid?

Anyway, check this out:




Hey... I'm a terrorist as of 2 days ago. Well, only till 11 Nov 21, whewwww!!

But, are eyes open to the reality of who the "real" domestic terrorists are and also, who they will pretend to be, when they begin to riot just (my personal opinion) before or during the release of the Audit(s) findings?

[RabbiKnife]

US AMBASSADOR HAS LEFT THE EMBASSY IN KABUL. He and the flag are at the airport.

Sad we can’t say the same for (deceased) Ambassador Stevens

[RabbiKnife]

The only “military force” understood by the Founders to have the God given right to remove a serving government by arms is the free citizenry of the United States… nit the duly commissioned officers and noncommissioned officers of the various arms if the US military.

In order for any currently serving US military personnel to take up arms against the duly elected government… as this one is … that individual must first resign his or her commission or rank, leave the military services, (aka Gen. Robert E Lee) and to thereafter take such actions has he or she deemed appropriate as a free citizen of the United States

A military coup or takeover is unconstitutional

A citizenry replacement of a form of government is a God given right