Meat eating and the spiritual

[HJ73]

Many will continue to higher dimensions soon. Heaven you may call it. When that happens our compassion and awareness increase very much. My spiritual contact helped me to experience that and i cried and cried and cried. You really really do not want to have innocent animals death and suffering on your conscience then. It may not be "punished" but you may hurt yourself. Do not do that to yourself!!

Think like this: How will you feel about yourself if in heaven you understand that those animals are forever gone? If there is no chance to get them back and to say i am sorry.  It may stop your spiritual progress because you may not be able to handle those emotions.

Instead spend the rest of your time here to preach compassion for animals. You will help others AND yourself. I think that is one big reason my contact is telling me to tell you since i used to hurt animals.

Try to think risk vs reward like a poker player. Meat eating means BIG spiritual risk and very little if any theoretical reward. Can you at least agree with that? Hope to see you in heaven.

[The Parson]

If eating the flesh of animals was a danger to our immortal souls, Leviticus wouldn't have made provisions for what to eat, and what not to eat.

Lv:11:1: And the Lord spake unto Moses and to Aaron, saying unto them,
Lv:11:2: Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, These are the beasts which ye shall eat among all the beasts that are on the earth.
Lv:11:3: Whatsoever parteth the hoof, and is clovenfooted, and cheweth the cud, among the beasts, that shall ye eat.
Lv:11:4: Nevertheless these shall ye not eat of them that chew the cud, or of them that divide the hoof: as the camel, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
Lv:11:5: And the coney, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
Lv:11:6: And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but divideth not the hoof; he is unclean unto you.
Lv:11:7: And the swine, though he divide the hoof, and be clovenfooted, yet he cheweth not the cud; he is unclean to you.
Lv:11:8: Of their flesh shall ye not eat, and their carcase shall ye not touch; they are unclean to you.
Lv:11:9: These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.
Lv:11:10: And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:
Lv:11:11: They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.
Lv:11:12: Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.
Lv:11:13: And these are they which ye shall have in abomination among the fowls; they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray,
Lv:11:14: And the vulture, and the kite after his kind;
Lv:11:15: Every raven after his kind;
Lv:11:16: And the owl, and the night hawk, and the cuckow, and the hawk after his kind,
Lv:11:17: And the little owl, and the cormorant, and the great owl,
Lv:11:18: And the swan, and the pelican, and the gier eagle,
Lv:11:19: And the stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat.
Lv:11:20: All fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you.
Lv:11:21: Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth;
Lv:11:22: Even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind.
Lv:11:23: But all other flying creeping things, which have four feet, shall be an abomination unto you.
Lv:11:24: And for these ye shall be unclean: whosoever toucheth the carcase of them shall be unclean until the even.
Lv:11:25: And whosoever beareth ought of the carcase of them shall wash his clothes, and be unclean until the even.
Lv:11:26: The carcases of every beast which divideth the hoof, and is not clovenfooted, nor cheweth the cud, are unclean unto you: every one that toucheth them shall be unclean.
Lv:11:27: And whatsoever goeth upon his paws, among all manner of beasts that go on all four, those are unclean unto you: whoso toucheth their carcase shall be unclean until the even.
Lv:11:28: And he that beareth the carcase of them shall wash his clothes, and be unclean until the even: they are unclean unto you.
Lv:11:29: These also shall be unclean unto you among the creeping things that creep upon the earth; the weasel, and the mouse, and the tortoise after his kind,
Lv:11:30: And the ferret, and the chameleon, and the lizard, and the snail, and the mole.
Lv:11:31: These are unclean to you among all that creep: whosoever doth touch them, when they be dead, shall be unclean until the even.
Lv:11:32: And upon whatsoever any of them, when they are dead, doth fall, it shall be unclean; whether it be any vessel of wood, or raiment, or skin, or sack, whatsoever vessel it be, wherein any work is done, it must be put into water, and it shall be unclean until the even; so it shall be cleansed.
Lv:11:33: And every earthen vessel, whereinto any of them falleth, whatsoever is in it shall be unclean; and ye shall break it.
Lv:11:34: Of all meat which may be eaten, that on which such water cometh shall be unclean: and all drink that may be drunk in every such vessel shall be unclean.
Lv:11:35: And every thing whereupon any part of their carcase falleth shall be unclean; whether it be oven, or ranges for pots, they shall be broken down: for they are unclean and shall be unclean unto you.
Lv:11:36: Nevertheless a fountain or pit, wherein there is plenty of water, shall be clean: but that which toucheth their carcase shall be unclean.
Lv:11:37: And if any part of their carcase fall upon any sowing seed which is to be sown, it shall be clean.
Lv:11:38: But if any water be put upon the seed, and any part of their carcase fall thereon, it shall be unclean unto you.
Lv:11:39: And if any beast, of which ye may eat, die; he that toucheth the carcase thereof shall be unclean until the even.
Lv:11:40: And he that eateth of the carcase of it shall wash his clothes, and be unclean until the even: he also that beareth the carcase of it shall wash his clothes, and be unclean until the even.
Lv:11:41: And every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth shall be an abomination; it shall not be eaten.
Lv:11:42: Whatsoever goeth upon the belly, and whatsoever goeth upon all four, or whatsoever hath more feet among all creeping things that creep upon the earth, them ye shall not eat; for they are an abomination.
Lv:11:43: Ye shall not make yourselves abominable with any creeping thing that creepeth, neither shall ye make yourselves unclean with them, that ye should be defiled thereby.
Lv:11:44: For I am the Lord your God: ye shall therefore sanctify yourselves, and ye shall be holy; for I am holy: neither shall ye defile yourselves with any manner of creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Lv:11:45: For I am the Lord that bringeth you up out of the land of Egypt, to be your God: ye shall therefore be holy, for I am holy.
Lv:11:46: This is the law of the beasts, and of the fowl, and of every living creature that moveth in the waters, and of every creature that creepeth upon the earth:
Lv:11:47: To make a difference between the unclean and the clean, and between the beast that may be eaten and the beast that may not be eaten.
(KJV)

[Fenris]

If eating the flesh of animals was a danger to our immortal souls, Leviticus wouldn't have made provisions for what to eat, and what not to eat.

Amen, Parson!

In the Garden of Eden they did not eat meat, so one could posit that in the ideal world we would be vegetarian. And by the "ideal world", I mean the post-messianic world, with world peace, universal knowledge of God, humanity united under God's rule, all that Good Stuff. But until that point, there's certainly nothing wrong with eating meat. The opposite, on the Sabbath and Jewish holidays one should specifically eat meat, so that they are in joy of the day. (Also applies to American holidays like July 4 and Thanksgiving I would say.) 

[agnostic]

Genesis 4 and Abel for his part brought of the firstlings of his flock, their fat portions. And the Lord had regard for Abel and his offering,

Genesis 8 Then Noah built an altar to the Lord, and took of every clean animal and of every clean bird, and offered burnt-offerings on the altar. And when the Lord smelt the pleasing odor

No one told these guys to do this. They each killed animals to offer as sacrifices, and God accepted it both times. And then after the flood

Genesis 9 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you; and just as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.

If God found killing animals for food objectionable, he wouldn't have accepted Abel and Noah's sacrifices, nor would he have told Noah that eating meat was permissible.

[Slug1]

My spiritual contact helped me

We are to "test" the spirits... care to detail your statement?

I ask because the "language" you used is the same language those who are oppressed by divination spirits, utilize. Plus the fact, all you stated following that statement is in opposition of scripture.

So, yeah... what does "spiritual contact" mean?

[Slug1]

Concerning eating meat, I read something today where a person I fellowship with commented how they have heard others say that the OT is to violent and thus, they will not read the OT.

My response was this:

Anger, vengeance and even jealousy are expressed by God in many ways and this expression can be and has been, "through" mankind. The intent of the heart reveals whether or not the "violence" is righteous before God or not righteous.

It can be tough on brethren when they begin to chew on "meat" of the Scriptures!!

What I didn't say but made note in my journal (yeah, I journal much of what I write) is how by only "chewing" on the meat of scripture, and by the example of comments about the OT, chewers spit the Scripture out and don't consume the meat of Scripture. They are not "nourished" by the Scriptures when they only "chew."


Also, they fail in "knowing" God in who He is and only acquaint themselves to what they WANT God to be.

[RandyPNW]

Those who refuse to read the OT Scriptures because it is "too violent" I suspect are simply making excuses not to read it. Though there are genuinely sensitive young Christians who cannot bear to equate spiritual things with "violence," most of those who might criticize Scriptures are the same who'd watch extremely violent movies.

[Slug1]

If eating the flesh of animals was a danger to our immortal souls, Leviticus wouldn't have made provisions for what to eat, and what not to eat.

Also, in the scriptures detailing the sacrificing of animals, the priests and their families received portions of the animals to eat.

Again, all the spirit said to that person, is in opposition of Scripture and is actually an example of what we're warned about in 1 Tim 4:1-5. The final comment about "hoping" to see us in heaven as if eating meat prevents such, reveals HJ73's seared conscience.


1 Tim 4: Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 2 speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving; 5 for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

[HJ73]

My spiritual contact helped me

We are to "test" the spirits... care to detail your statement?

I ask because the "language" you used is the same language those who are oppressed by divination spirits, utilize. Plus the fact, all you stated following that statement is in opposition of scripture.

So, yeah... what does "spiritual contact" mean?

Love, Holy Spirit i guess. I also asked for name. Two answers were "who knows who we are" and "there is only love".

Why is this controversial? Its such an easy choice not to support an industry who just cause death and suffering. Even if it is allowed why take take that risk? Risk is way higher than any possible theoretical benefit.

[Slug1]

Love, Holy Spirit i guess. I also asked for name. Two answers were "who knows who we are" and "there is only love".

Why is this controversial? Its such an easy choice not to support an industry who just cause death and suffering. Even if it is allowed why take take that risk? Risk is way higher than any possible theoretical benefit.

Have you spoken to your pastor about what a spirit is revealing to you?


My point, the Holy Spirit convicts people of "sin." Based on scripture, it is not a sin to eat meat. Thus, the spirit speaking to you is deceiving you. We're even warned of such spirits in the Bible and I posted that warning also.

[Fenris]

My point, the Holy Spirit convicts people of "sin." Based on scripture, it is not a sin to eat meat.

I'm reminded of the amusing observation that according to some people, the bible doesn't prohibit enough things and they feel the need to tack on more.

[HJ73]

Love, Holy Spirit i guess. I also asked for name. Two answers were "who knows who we are" and "there is only love".

Why is this controversial? Its such an easy choice not to support an industry who just cause death and suffering. Even if it is allowed why take take that risk? Risk is way higher than any possible theoretical benefit.

Have you spoken to your pastor about what a spirit is revealing to you?


My point, the Holy Spirit convicts people of "sin." Based on scripture, it is not a sin to eat meat. Thus, the spirit speaking to you is deceiving you. We're even warned of such spirits in the Bible and I posted that warning also.

Have no reason to talk to a pastor. It may not be a "sin" but you can not be certain. You can not know if you have not been lied to or misunderstand the texts. The spiritual risk of eating meat is a lot higher than not eating meat.

[Fenris]

It may not be a "sin" but you can not be certain.

If the bible doesn't say that it is a sin, then it isn't a sin.

[HJ73]

It may not be a "sin" but you can not be certain.

If the bible doesn't say that it is a sin, then it isn't a sin.

I bet to God it is very different to eat meat because we would otherwise starve or eat it because we like the taste.

[agnostic]

Genesis 8 Then Noah built an altar to the Lord, and took of every clean animal and of every clean bird, and offered burnt-offerings on the altar. And when the Lord smelt the pleasing odor

God finds the smell of cooked meat pleasant. And as mentioned, no one told Noah to do this. He made the offering entirely of his own decision. God didn't criticize or condemn the action, or call it a sin. He found the act pleasing.