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Reddogs

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If as some claim, you go straight to heaven or hell when you die, then what happened to all the people before Christ. Adam, Eve, Enoch, Job, Abraham, Moses....
They would have gone straight to hell as no redeemer, no blood shed for their salvation to say nothing of the millions (or billions) of that time.  Now you can see how false doctrine does not stand up against the Word of God and its inherent danger, there is no tradition the "Limbo of the Fathers," or "Purgatory" or what the Jews picked up from Hellenism "Abraham's bosom" or as one can see, almost anything that comes from some Pope's encyclical...

The which Christ brings and is in His Word is what we must rely on, not human-invented customs, philosophies, or rules that supersede or contradict Gods Truth. History and those who saw the corruption are clear as to what these traditions of men are..

"Confiding then in the power of Christianity to resist the infection of evil, and to transmute the instruments and appendages of demon worship to an evangelical use... the rulers of the church from early times were prepared should occasion arise, to adopt, or imitate, or sanction the existing rites and customs of the populace." -Development of Christian Doctrine, Cardinal Newman. p. 372
 
"From the foregoing, which treats merely of the more important solar festivles, it is clear that these products of paganism are as much in force at present... as they ever were, and that Christianity countenances, and in many cases has actually adopted and practiced, pagan rites whose heathen significance is merely lost sight of because attention is not called to the source whence those rites have spring. So heavy was this infiltration that Sir Samuel Dill exclaims: "Christianity is only a sect of the Mithraists." -Roman Society from Nero to Marcus Aurelius. P. vii

"Paganism as a distinct and separate religion may perhaps be said to have died, although, driven out of the cities, it found refuge in the countryside, where it lingered long—and whence, indeed, its very name is derived.

In a very real sense, however, it never died at all. It was only transformed and absorbed into Christianity. It is this transformation, and the absorption of classical culture in its various manifestations into the very substance of Christianity which, perhaps more than anything else, explains why after its toleration Christianity swept on with such relentless force to become the undisputed- heir of the whole complex of Mediterranean civilization." [An Introduction to Medieval Europe by Thompson and Johnson, page 3]

Understanding the truth Christ brings, and holding to true doctrine matters
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RabbiKnife

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I’m not responding to this age old trope

Grace

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Athanasius

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Well, I don't imagine people immediately go to heaven or hell after death, but why would timing be an issue from God's perspective? Just because we experience time linearly doesn't mean time is linear. So, oh man demon worship I don't know when is someone gonna tell this guy cuz it ain't gonna be me.
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Reddogs

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I’m not responding to this age old trope

Grace
Why do you call it 'age old'? Can you articulate and maybe edify if I may ask?

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"From the foregoing, which treats merely of the more important solar festivles, it is clear that these products of paganism are as much in force at present... as they ever were, and that Christianity countenances, and in many cases has actually adopted and practiced, pagan rites whose heathen significance is merely lost sight of because attention is not called to the source whence those rites have spring. So heavy was this infiltration that Sir Samuel Dill exclaims: "Christianity is only a sect of the Mithraists." -Roman Society from Nero to Marcus Aurelius. P. vii
I find this idea to be bizarre. You're quoting an opponent of Christianity and using that to define what Christianity is. It would be like quoting a Soviet historian during the cold war on what America is, and then using that quote to define America. No! Bad!
Return to us, O Lord, that we may return to You. Renew our days as of old. -Lamentations 5:21

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Well, I don't imagine people immediately go to heaven or hell after death, but why would timing be an issue from God's perspective? Just because we experience time linearly doesn't mean time is linear. So, oh man demon worship I don't know when is someone gonna tell this guy cuz it ain't gonna be me.
Because if you look, Gods Word lays it out, and judgement of the house of God comes first before the last day, and the saints receive their reward being taken up to the Heavenly Kingdom at the Second Coming. Then the wicked, and they are brought before the Great White throne judgement and as the scripture says, 'and they were judged every man according to their works.'

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Because if you look, Gods Word lays it out, and judgement of the house of God comes first before the last day, and the saints receive their reward being taken up to the Heavenly Kingdom at the Second Coming. Then the wicked, and they are brought before the Great White throne judgement and as the scripture says, 'and they were judged every man according to their works.'

Are you replying to me, or doing a bit of quote bait soap boxing? Because that isn't a response to what I said.

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