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Rebecca

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Re: what is your lens: Historicist / Futurist / Idealist / Preterist ... etc
« Reply #45 on: August 06, 2023, 06:45:04 PM »
Exactly and vice versa .  ( been around forums for over 25 years) My questions are not a warm up to an attack simply my attempt to understand.   This forum is not titled under the banner of Christian it says Bible.  To my understanding the Old Testament is as much Bible as the New.  Pardon please,  if those 2 labels are not the best.

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Re: what is your lens: Historicist / Futurist / Idealist / Preterist ... etc
« Reply #46 on: August 06, 2023, 08:15:50 PM »
My questions are not a warm up to an attack simply my attempt to understand. 
I never thought otherwise.
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not to say a bias... please provide a short introduction to your Eschatological faction, and what  - to you - makes your viewpoint the best one from an apologetics standpoint.   In your explanation, please attempt to align Daniel, The Olivet Discourse, and Revelation.

My own view is the Historicist.   I believe it is the strongest view for several reasons, one of which is that the plain reading of the text tells us the things would happen quickly

A short summary:

1) Daniel
in the 70 years of exile under Babylon, we see correlation to the end times beast and end times Babylon.
Daniel Ch 7's 4th beast is alive today, and is the same beast as the Revelation 13 Beast from the sea.
 ... Daniel 7's proud horn that uproots 3 horns is apostate Israel.  The uprooted horns are middle eastern neighbors & Palestinians
.... Daniel Ch 8 - 12 prophecies are under the Persian rule and concern the restoration and fall of old covenant Israel.
.... the little horn is Herod the Great.   The 2800 evenings/mornings are months until the birth of Christ

2) Olivet Discourse.
70AD fulfilled the Abomination of Desolation of Daniel 9 and the initiation of the Great (big) Tribulation.

3) Revelation.
The 7 churches are 7 historical periods of the new covenant church backsliding in different ways
The 4 Horsemen of Revelation are 4 military and economic systems that plague the earth from Rome until today.
The 7 trumpets are the great falling away described by Paul
....The woman of Revelation 12 is the Church (the 12 stars are Israel, the sun is the Gospel)
.... The Beasts of Revelation 13 are the same as represented in Daniel 7. 
.... The mark of the Beast represents the mental reckoning of those who think like the best.
... the beheading is an execution from buying and selling in the market of ideas and government of the beast (it represents cancel culture)
... Revelation is still actively unfolding.

So that's the basic gist... please provide a short synopsis/structure of your own eschatology for the edification of the boards!

Blessings!
Well, I would look over the accepted Historicist view, especially the Papacy as the Anti-Christ power. As for the Futurist and Preterist views, they were essentially derived from Jesuit writings, whose counter-reformation efforts were aimed at opposing this interpretation showing the Papal power and church of Rome met the characteristics and exact timeline given in the Bible Prophecy.

The Protestant Reformers John Wycliffe, Martin Luther, John Calvin, John Knox, Roger Williams, Cotton Mather, Jonathan Edwards, and John Wesley held to this view of who was the Anti-Christ. Now here is the Historicist interpretation of Prophecy of Daniel's Seventy Weeks held by Jerome, Luther, Calvin, Tyndale, Matthew Henry, E.J. Young, E.B. Pusey, Philip Mauro, and many other Bible Scholars and those in the Reformation.

https://historicist.info/articles2/seventyweeks.htm

And here is a great illustration of the Timeline...

https://dispstudy.com/charts/daniels-seventy-weeks-historical-messianic/

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