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Athanasius

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Re: my issue with Judaism
« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2022, 02:40:56 PM »
And you told me repeatedly to cease and desist in discussing this with Fenris because things were heating up.

I told you to cool off (and Fenris too), not stop talking. You're free to talk about whatever, just be chill about it.
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Re: my issue with Judaism
« Reply #16 on: February 22, 2022, 08:04:05 PM »
The following is why I believe that the Jews formulated a false brand of Judaism. I'm not interested in discussing this with Jews here--only Christians.

Jews are entirely free to represent their religion or to characterize their religion in any way they see fit. I'm only interested here in establishing what I, as a Christian, think about Judaism.

I'm not setting the rules--just trying to avoid problems. This is, after all, a Christian forum.

1) When Jesus appeared, his forerunner, John the Baptist, was a recognized prophet of God who declared Jesus to be the Jewish Messiah. For whatever reason, the Jews, as a people, rejected Jesus as their Messiah.

The small minority who did accept Jesus as Messiah were marginalized, rejected and persecuted by the Jewish majority. Even today, Messianic Jews may be accepted as legitimately "Jewish," having a Jewish mother, but not representative of legitimate Jewish religion.

In fact, Messianic Jews are not trying to represent what I call "Rabbinic Judaism," but rather, legitimate New Testament Judaism. MJs are presenting Christianity as the true heir of Judaism, and not as a corrupted form of Judaism.

2) Jesus said that the Jewish People had turned to follow their corrupt religious leaders, instead of to God Himself. Jesus said this in his own time and place. This point cannot be disputed.

3) The Jews were about to have their covenant with God nullified, due to their moral and theological corruption. They were immoral because they hid their sins underneath a façade of religious works. And they were heretical because they rejected the Messiah, which their religion was designed to acknowledge as authoritative.

In losing their covenant, the temple worship was being abandoned by God to Roman destruction, just as God had done with the Babylonian destruction in 586 BC. This meant that something had to displace temple worship on behalf of those who wished to repent of their sins.

Christianity was substituted for this covenant of temple law as a "new covenant." The Jews rejected that.

I don't know a lot about Judaism. But I do know that these were reasons that I, as a Christian, believe Judaism went "south." I don't believe this makes Jews in Judaism evil people, but I do believe the problem began in the time of Jesus. Jews today are just following the lead of the Rabbinic Judaism that began at that time.

If you don't know a lot about Judaism how can you have an issue with Judaism?
Maybe this link will help you. Jews telling you why they don't accept Yeshua was Messiah. https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=why+jews+dont+accept+jesus

Also, what I find interesting as pertains to Jews and temple is that while they would be free to read the Tanakh , what isn't taught in their temple is the text in the OT Book of Isaiah chapter 54.
"The 17th century Jewish historian, Raphael Levi, admitted that long ago the rabbis used to read Isaiah 53 in synagogues, but after the chapter caused "arguments and great confusion" the rabbis decided that the simplest thing would be to just take that prophecy out of the Haftarah readings in synagogues. That's why today when we read Isaiah 52, we stop in the middle of the chapter...."  https://www.oneforisrael.org/bible-based-teaching-from-israel/inescapable-truth-isaiah-53/

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Re: my issue with Judaism
« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2022, 10:15:38 AM »
Also, what I find interesting as pertains to Jews and temple is that while they would be free to read the Tanakh , what isn't taught in their temple is the text in the OT Book of Isaiah chapter 54.
"The 17th century Jewish historian, Raphael Levi, admitted that long ago the rabbis used to read Isaiah 53 in synagogues, but after the chapter caused "arguments and great confusion" the rabbis decided that the simplest thing would be to just take that prophecy out of the Haftarah readings in synagogues. That's why today when we read Isaiah 52, we stop in the middle of the chapter...."  https://www.oneforisrael.org/bible-based-teaching-from-israel/inescapable-truth-isaiah-53/
I've carefully avoided this discussion because it's what the OP requested, but I can't help and chime in here. The person you are citing here is lying. There is no attempt to hide Isaiah 53 or indeed any other part of the Jewish bible. We know what it says and we interpret it in a completely different way. Don't take my word on it, the early church father recorded a discussion he had in the year 248-

Now I remember that, on one occasion, at a disputation held with certain Jews, who were reckoned wise men, I quoted these prophecies; to which my Jewish opponent replied, that these predictions bore reference to the whole people, regarded as one individual, and as being in a state of dispersion and suffering, in order that many proselytes might be gained, on account of the dispersion of the Jews among numerous heathen nations.

If someone has to lie to prove their point (and I'm talking about the website you're quoting, not you Abigail) then it probably isn't a very good point.

 

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