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ProDeo

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Re: Hebrews 4:15
« Reply #45 on: February 17, 2026, 01:10:20 PM »
Gen 32:28 “Your name will no longer be Jacob,” He said. “It will be Israel because you have struggled with God and with men and have prevailed.” [HCSB]
Your point?

Struggling with God, you both agreed on that confirmed by Scripture.

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Re: Hebrews 4:15
« Reply #46 on: February 17, 2026, 01:11:50 PM »
OK, doing some mindreading here because you haven't explained why you're citing the verse.

I'm assuming that your point was that Jacob wrested with God, proving that God can "be a man".

My problems with this concept.

First of all, even if we cay that God can inhabit a human body, that doesn't mean that God is subject to temptation in the way that human beings are.

Secondly, the verse says "Elohim" not "YHVH". "Elohim" can mean "God", but it can also mean "the divine", or the "powerful", even pertaining to humans. In Exodus 7, God tells Moses "I have made you as an 'Elohim' to Pharaoh". Obviously Moses was not God to Pharaoh.

Thirdly, Jacob did not wrestle with God. He wrestled with an angel. Hosea 12:4 says this explicitly.

Okay.

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Re: Hebrews 4:15
« Reply #47 on: July 26, 2026, 01:48:45 AM »
NIV: For we do not have a high priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are—yet he did not sin.

KJV: For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

ESV: For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin.


As the local non Christian with a middling understanding of Christianity, this strikes me as very strange.

If Jesus is God, how can he be tempted? Is God tempted? Is God capable of sin?

Can we say that Jesus was the Son of God, and that much is not confusing?
1 John 5:10
He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.

 

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