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« on: Today at 03:30:53 PM »
Psalm 113 also mentions a barren woman. Maybe he's quoting that?
There's also other Bible Scripture, even in The New Testament, that mentions the idea of being with child in the positive sense, meant literally, like Matthew 1:18 about Mary pregnant with baby Jesus. Does mean that metaphor of Isaiah 54:1 applies? God forbid! of course not! And I think you well know this. So what is the problem? You well know it's about the CONTEXT of the subject. Or maybe you don't understand what context is, I don't know at this point. To Whom It May Concern: I do not like to argue for argument's sake, as some here do. I don't have time for silly arguments just because someone doesn't like what is being taught from God's Word as written. Therefore, I have begun my IGNORE LIST. And so far, Fenis is added to it, so I refuse any further communications with Fenis.
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« on: Today at 03:27:13 PM »
First you say it's the same exact wording, then you say it's different words but it means the same thing, when it clearly doesn't.
No, I never said it was the same exact wording. That's what you say. It's the same SUBJECT AND IDEA. That is what the word 'relevant' means you know.
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« on: Today at 03:25:09 PM »
Now for the punchline, so to speak, about the Woe to those with child warning for the end of this world during the coming "great tribulation".
When all the relevant Bible Scripture is put together that I covered in my above posts, then a major question should come to mind about those who are found with child, and do not remain as "a chaste virgin", and thus represent the married wife when Jesus comes.
The Isaiah 54 metaphor is about the idea of a virgin bride who remains barren vs. the married wife who was betrothed to Jesus, but is found already married and with child when Jesus comes. That means the married wife played the Harlot.
And this Isaiah 54 metaphor is given about BOTH God's people, and the city of Jerusalem.
Per the Book of Revelation about the Babylon Harlot of Chapter 17, it reveals that Babylon Harlot is a "great city". And in Revelation 11:8 which reveals the "great city" is where our Lord was crucified, that is pointing directly to Jerusalem as that "great city" for the end of this world.
Thus in Revelation 18, the Babylon Harlot woman says she sits a queen, and is no widow. In the Book of Lamentations, after Jerusalem was destroyed by the king of Babylon in Israel's history, Jerusalem is then referred to as being a symbolic "widow". But in Revelation 18 for the end of this world, she claims she is no widow, meaning she is saying she is married.
So who... is she married to at the end? Who will Jerusalem at the end of this world prior to Christ's return be married to? for she represents the married wife in the Isaiah 54 barren metaphor, as also those in Jerusalem who will be deceived during the coming "great tribulation".
Do you recall Revelation 21 that speaks of new Jerusalem being Christ's Bride at His future coming? In Ezekiel 16 God revealed that He married Jerusalem, put His skirt over her, which is an Old Testament metaphor for marriage consumation. But then she played the harlot against Him.
So in reality, this Book of Revelation idea about the Babylon Harlot being the "great city" as Jerusalem for the end when IDOL worship will be setup there by the coming false-Messiah placing the "abomination of desolation" idol at a newly built Jewish stone temple in Jerusalem, it shouldn't be any wonder how that Ezekiel 16 chapter about Jerusalem playing the harlot in past history as being the harlot woman of the Book of Revelation for the end of this world, just prior to Christ's return.
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« on: Today at 03:04:33 PM »
You lost me. Just because he mentions the barren doesn't mean he's quoting Is. 54. And verse 30 is from Hosea 10.
Oh but yes Jesus is... quoting from Isaiah 54:1. You're not one of those who deny relevant Bible Scripture in another Book that may not use the 'exact' same wording as the other Book, are you? Those who do that just are making excuses to not heed the Scripture. Let's see... Luke 23:29
29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, 'Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.'
KJV
Isa 54:1
54 Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith the LORD.
KJVSame idea, little bit different wording between the two verses.
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« on: Today at 02:57:46 PM »
So the metaphor switches in the middle of the chapter? I find this rather unconvincing.
God's Word, especially in the Old Testament Books of the prophets, often does that switch of topics. It's actually done in just about every Book of The Bible, so I'm surprised you are not aware of that fact. I'd also say that you have failed to spot how Jabez got added to the lineage of Judah given in 1 Chronicles 4:9-10 when no linage info is given there about him. Now that is... an abrupt change of subject that God did in His Word that sadly, some have a hard time figuring out why. (1 Chronicles 2:55 reveals why, but some don't understand about those scribes mentioned there either, nor their connection with the blind Pharisees that wanted Jesus executed). Zionism is the idea that the Jewish people deserve self determination, as other peoples do. Since Jews don't believe in Jesus, it has nothing to do with "Christ's coming".
Well, sorry to say, but that brand of Zionism is false, and is held by NON-believing Jews who still reject Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ. But the false idea that Christ comes to gather His Church and takes them to Heaven, while the seed of Israel is gathered back to the holy land in final, is a belief of Dispentationalists that also hold to man's false Pre-trib Rapture theory. Thus there are Christian Churches which believe that, and therefore have no problem with the NON-believing Jews brand of Zionism. Some of those Christian Churches today even help... those NON-believing Jews with their future plans to build their 3rd temple in Jerusalem and startup Old Testamnent style worship again. I do not adhere to that at all, and I see that as an abomination. The reason why I am detailing the "Blessed are the barren..." metaphor of Isaiah 54:1 is because of how The New Testament Scriptures uses it about those who will be deceived at the end, particularly un-believing Jews. For Jews today that believe on Lord Jesus as The Christ, they should actually be at the forefront of this type of warning from Scripture, for the sake of their deceived NON-believing Jews.
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« on: Today at 02:41:42 PM »
(Continued... from my 2nd Post)
Lord Jesus when He was on His way to be crucified quoted that Isaiah 54 metaphor about the barren. He quoted it to the "daughters of Jerusalem" that were on the side weeping for Him as He went up to be crucified.
Luke 23:26-30
26 And as they led Him away, they laid hold upon one Simon, a Cyrenian, coming out of the country, and on him they laid the cross, that he might bear it after Jesus.
27 And there followed Him a great company of people, and of women, which also bewailed and lamented him.
28 But Jesus turning unto them said, "Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for Me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.
29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, 'Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.'
30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, 'Fall on us'; and to the hills, 'Cover us.'"
KJV
Lord Jesus said to those Jewish women weeping for Him that the day would come when they and their children, will say that...
"Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck."
Why and when... will those daughters and children of the Jews be saying that "Blessed are the barren..." from Isaiah 54:1?
It's because of the meaning of the heart of that metaphor which God gave in Isaiah 54:1, and that Apostle Paul pulled from in 2 Cor.11 about Christ's Church when gathered to Christ.
Who is Lord Jesus pointing to that will be saying that "Blessed are the barren..."? Deceived Jews in Jerusalem at the end when Jesus finally appears to them, and then realize they have been deceived. And thus they will appear in shame when Jesus appears, and will wish for the mountains to "Fall on us", and for the hills to "Cover us". Those are metaphors for shame.
Thus the deceived Jews in Jerusalem when Jesus comes, those "Daughters of Jerusalem" and their "children", will be saying that "Blessed are the barren..." metaphor about the Faithful in Christ that wait for His coming "as a chaste virgin". Jesus Christ is our True Husband, "thy Maker" and "Husband" of the Isaiah 54:5 Scripture.
And another important part of that Isaiah 54:1 metaphor which is quoted in The New Testament is the idea of 'travailing with child'. That's simply about the idea of a woman who is pregnant and in labor pangs. That is part of the Isaiah 54:1 metaphor, "thou that didst not travail with child". That metaphor is used throughout The Old Testament, especially in the Book of Jeremiah because of the king of Babylon coming upon Jerusalem to destroy back in Israel's history.
In 1 Thessalonians 5, Apostle Paul uses the "travail with child" metaphor about the deceived at the end of this world that will be claiming, "Peace and safety", but then in final "sudden destruction" will come upon them...
1 Thess 5:2-4
2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3 For when they shall say, "Peace and safety"; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child[/u]; and they shall not escape.
4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
KJV
That "day of the Lord" that will come "as a thief in the night" is the last day of this present world when Christ Jesus' 2nd coming to gather His saints will happen. On that same 'day', the deceived will be surprised and shocked when they see Jesus coming in the clouds, and thus their shame will be like a woman travailing with child. Paul is therefore using that travail with child idea as a symbol for the 'deceived' just prior to Christ's future return.
Lord Jesus in The Gospel of Matthew and of Luke also used a portion of that "thou that didst travail with child" idea from the Isaiah 54:1 "Blessed are the barre..." metaphor. He used about those "with child" for the coming time of "great tribulation" at the end of this world just prior to His return...
Matt 24:18-21
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
KJV
Now it is very simple to interpret the above "... woe unto them that are with child" idea being literally about a pregnant woman struggling in that future time of the "great tribulation", not being able to prepare to be caught up by Christ, or escape the city. But child birth is a Blessing per The LORD. So how is Lord Jesus using this "... woe unto them that are with child" at this point in time for the end? There's another example He gives in Luke 21 about the end...
Luke 21:22-23
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
KJV
Why will there be "... wrath upon this people" who are "with child"? Is that literally just about pregnant women in that time? And what timing exactly is that "days of vengeance, that all things are written may be fulfilled"? That "days of vengeance" is actually a reference to Jesus' future 2nd coming to gather His faithful Church on the last day of this world. (And yeah I know that some interpret this being about the 70 A.D. destruction of Jerusalem because of the next 24th verse. But recall that Jesus' mention of not one stone atop another prophecy is a dual-fulfillment type prophecy, once as a partial-fulfillment for 70 A.D. by the Romans, and the second time as a complete-fulfillment on the day of Christ's future coming.)
At the middle of the Luke 21:24 verse, it mentions Jerusalem being trodden down by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles is fulfilled. That's a last days event, not a 70 A.D. event. It is pointing to our near future of Revelation 11:1-3 about the future Jewish 3rd temple in Jerusalem to be built for the coming "great tribulation", with the outer court left for the Gentiles, and they shall tread the city for 42 months (i.e., the 3.5 years, or 1260 days of the Book of Daniel about the last days "great tribulation".)
in reality then, that "wrath" upon those "with child" at the end just prior to Christ's future return, is being used as a warning, because Apostle Paul says in 1 Thess.5:9 that those in Christ are not appointed to God's wrath.
(Continued...)
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« on: Today at 01:44:31 PM »
The barren mother in Is. 54 is an obvious metaphor for Zion, that is to say, Jerusalem. It's a common theme that Isaiha uses. Some examples:
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Yes, the Isaiah 54:10-13 section in particular is about Jerusalem. But the previous Isaiah 54:1-5 section is especially about the new Jerusalem regarding Christ's Church there in final, and is where Apostle Paul is quoting from in 2 Corinthians 11. Isa 54:1-5
1 Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith the LORD.
2 Enlarge the place of thy tent, and let them stretch forth the curtains of thine habitations: spare not, lengthen thy cords, and strengthen thy stakes;
3 For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited.
4 Fear not; for thou shalt not be ashamed: neither be thou confounded; for thou shalt not be put to shame: for thou shalt forget the shame of thy youth, and shalt not remember the reproach of thy widowhood any more.
5 For thy Maker is thine Husband; the LORD of hosts is His name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall He be called.
KJVSome believe men's doctrines that when Jesus Christ comes to gather His Church, that He takes them to Heaven while the Jews are gathered back to the holy land. I do not hold to that tradition of men. And that is kind of what Zionism is about that some Jews believe, the idea that only the seed of Israel is gathered back to the holy land at Christ's coming. That Isaiah 54:2-3 Scripture is about the believing seed of Israel inheriting the believing Gentiles, and both together make the desolate cities in the holy land inhabited. This is why Apostle Paul in 2 Corinthians 11:2 desired to present the Church as "a chaste virgin" to their Husband Jesus Christ. Paul was pulling those ideas from the Isaiah 54:1-5 Scripture.
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« on: Today at 01:30:14 AM »
(Continued...)
Turn with me to Isaiah 54.
God gives a metaphor here, which is where Apostle Paul was pulling from with the "chaste virgin" and Christ as our Husband idea. It requires close attention to the Scripture to grasp it's meaning...
Isa 54:1
1 Sing, O barren, thou that didst not bear; break forth into singing, and cry aloud, thou that didst not travail with child: for more are the children of the desolate than the children of the married wife, saith the LORD.
God in the above is comparing a woman whose womb is barren and without child, to a woman that is a married wife. Then He says that the barren woman has MORE children than the married wife! Does that make sense to you? It ought to be the other way around, shouldn't it, with the married wife having more children than the barren woman?
No, that does not make sense, not in the literal flesh sense it doesn't. But once we understand God is simply using those ideas as a metaphor involving spiritual worship, then it begins to make sense.
Recall Paul's "chaste virgin" idea, and Christ as our true Husband, meaning we are to remain faithful waiting on Jesus to come, and not fall away to another (i.e., to the "another Jesus", the Antichrist/false Messiah). Which one in that Isaiah 54:1 verse represents the "chaste virgin" idea? The barren woman whose womb never bare, and that did not travail with child, of course.
Isaiah 54:2 Enlarge the place of thy tent, and let them stretch forth the curtains of thine habitations: spare not, lengthen thy cords, and strengthen thy stakes;
3 For thou shalt break forth on the right hand and on the left; and thy seed shall inherit the Gentiles, and make the desolate cities to be inhabited.
The above is about the symbolic tent of God's future Kingdom in the holy lands having to be enlarged so as to include the believing Gentiles. So that is about Christ's Church made up of BOTH believing Israelites and believing Gentiles, as one body. THOSE... are the more children the desolate barren woman will have per Isaiah 54:1.
Isaiah 54:5
For thy Maker is thine Husband; the LORD of hosts is His name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall He be called.
KJV
There above... is where Paul got that idea of Christ being our symbolic Husband per 2 Cor.11.
Those in Christ at the end of this world, are to remain without child, as a "chaste virgin" betrothed to Christ Jesus, our true Husband, and not fall away to the "another Jesus" that the false apostles preach. What are those who do not remain a "chaste virgin", waiting on Jesus Christ? Those are represented by the married woman of Isaiah 54:1!
Why is one not married in that parable, and the other woman is married? Who is that married woman in the parable married to? We know the barren woman remains "a chaste virgin" waiting for Christ to come. And the married woman WILL be 'with child'.
I know, it sounds a bit convoluted. But our Heavenly Father gave this to get His point across about staying in Him vs. falling away to the devil. And He is simply using the idea of a betrothed virgin waiting on the Bridegroom (Jesus) vs. the married wife who does not wait, but instead is found already married and travailing with child, which is about the married wife having played the harlot and violated the betrothal.
And at Isaiah 54:10-13 God reveals this virgin vs. married metaphor is applied to Jerusalem also. Revelation 21 reveals the new Jerusalem as Christ's Bride at His future coming. In Revelation 18, the Babylon Harlot claims she sits a queen, and is no widow. That means she is married to a king, but which one, because Satan also is a 'king' over the bottomless pit per Revelation 9:11.
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« on: Today at 12:52:41 AM »
I want to share a metaphor given in God's Word that requires patience in The Scriptures in order to understand. It is a very important metaphor about the end times. And it requires connecting various Bible Scriptures that are involved, in both The Old Testament and The New Testament. Because of this, it's not something that most Churches take the time to reveal to their congregations, which is kind of sad I think, because it is a very important metaphor involving true vs. false worship at the end of this world.
2 Cor 11:1-4
11 Would to God ye could bear with me a little in my folly: and indeed bear with me.
2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one Husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.
3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
KJV
Apostle Paul asks those Corinthians to bear with his folly for a moment, as he is giving a metaphor using the idea of remaining spiritually chaste waiting for Christ to come vs. not remaining chaste, and instead found spiritually as a what? I'm not afraid to say it, because GOD Himself said it, a Harlot; that's what Paul is pointing to for those who do NOT remain spiritually chaste waiting on Jesus to return.
Not only that, but Apostle Paul there also brings up the main reason at the end that will cause many NOT to remain a 'chaste virgin' waiting on our True Husband Jesus Christ. Paul mentions those who instead preach the "another Jesus"!
Did you know brethren about the "another Jesus"? Lord Jesus in Matthew 24:23-26 warned us about the coming of that "another Jesus", but He called that coming false one a pseudo-Christ, or false-Messiah (pseudochristos per the Greek). Jesus warned that coming false-Messiah will work great signs and wonders, that IF it were possible (it ain't), that it would deceive even His very elect.
This is what Apostle Paul is actually warning also in that 2 Corinthians 11 Chapter. Later at 2 Cor.11:13-14 Paul evens says that Satan himself is "transformed" (disguised per the Greek) as an "angel of light", and his ministers as the "ministers of righteousness"! Paul even brings up the idea of how Satan as "that old serpent" beguiled Eve, linking the idea of deception by that "another Jesus" within this.
But where did Apostle Paul get that idea of presenting us as a "chaste virgin" spiritually to Christ, our True Husband?
(Continued...)
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« on: Today at 12:05:31 AM »
The Hebrews 11:3 Scripture provides absolute proof of God's existence, if one takes the time to actually understand that verse...
Heb 11:3
3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
KJV
Understand these phrases from the above verse:
1. "... that the worlds were framed by the word of God..."
God spoke and His creation came into existence. That is also pointing to Scripture like John 1 and of course includes Christ Whom He made His creation through per Hebrews 1.
2. "... so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear."
That is saying that the material things we see with our eyes, were not made of those material things. In other words, matter did NOT create matter.
I forget which law of thermodynamics that idea is, that material matter can neither be created nor destroyed, but only changes its state (liquid, solid, gas, vapor, etc.), but that is exactly what that last Hebrews 11:3 phrase is pointing to. Very profound, yet very simple, and modern science even confirms that.
What that means is, that something OUTSIDE OF THIS MATERIAL WORLD had to have created matter. It cannot be material matter at all that made the creation. That's what that means. And the whole universe is made up of material matter.
Apostle John said in John 4:24 that "God is a Spirit".
In 1 Corinthians 15:44-50, Apostle Paul revealed that 2 different dimensions of existence exist, this 'earthly' dimension, and then the 'heavenly' dimension. The earthly one is made up of material matter. But the Heavenly one is made up of Spirit. (And please don't confuse our sky around the earth as that Heavenly dimension of Spirit, just because God's Word calls the sky a heaven. KJV "heaven" in Genesis 1:1 is plural in the Hebrew by the way.)
In John 3:6, Lord Jesus said, "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." By that Lord Jesus also was revealing the existence of 2 different dimensions of existence.
The above establishes that the material creation, made up of matter, did not create itself. As I said before, that means something OUTSIDE the dimension of matter had to have made the creation. Those who believe The Bible call that Something GOD, Who is a Spirit, like Apostle John said.
By that, just the existence of material matter is PROOF of God's existence and that other dimension being made up of Spirit.
I've noticed many brethren in Christ have a difficult time thinking outside of their flesh. I've never had that problem, as I can easily grasp God's Word when it is speaking of that other dimension of the Heavenly. And since that Heavenly dimension of SPIRIT had to have existed prior... to God's material creation of the universe, that suggests that other dimension of Spirit is actually the MORE real.
One more thing, since God is a Spirit, and He made His material creation from that other dimension of Spirit, it also means only HE can destroy His creation.
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« on: Yesterday at 11:35:31 PM »
I don't see how anyone could miss the following Zech.12 connection with the future battle of Armageddon on the last day of this world, which is what the invading armies out of the northern quarters upon Israel of Ezekiel 38 is about.
Zech 12:9
9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
KJV
Nor does it make sense with anyone claiming Russia has no connection to the nations list of Ezekiel 38 which points to Islamic nations coming up against Israel that have been supported by Russia.
Esau represented by Russia is more viable an argument than Rome. I see Jewish hatred of Rome a lot on various forums.
As for the Zech.12:10-14 verses, the subject there is about the Jew's mourning for Christ Jesus when He appears. That is pointing to unbelieving Jews, not believers on Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ...
Zech 12:10
10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
KJV
In Luke 23, Lord Jesus on His way to be crucified, said the following to the Jewish women who wept for Him...
Luke 23:27-30
27 And there followed Him a great company of people, and of women, which also bewailed and lamented Him.
28 But Jesus turning unto them said, "Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for Me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.
29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, 'Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.'
30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, 'Fall on us'; and to the hills, 'Cover us.' "
KJV
That is about the deceived Jews in Jerusalem for the end that have rejected Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ. And when Jesus appears in Jerusalem on the day of His future coming, and they see Him, they will be in shame, and that's why they will say for the mountains to, "Fall on us", and to the hills, to "Cover us." That's a direct link to that Zechariah 12:10-14 Scripture. So I don't have to personally... know, or contact a bunch of Jewish folks to see if that Scripture is correct or not. I know it is correct and means what it says as written.
It is more likely that many Jews, mainly unbelieving Jews, are not aware of Apostle Paul's teaching in Romans 11 about them, that God has placed "the spirit of slumber" upon them blinding them spiritually away from The Gospel, and that blindness won't be removed from the majority of the unbelieving Jews until the fullness of the Gentiles comes in.
Rom 11:7-11
7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear;) unto this day.
9 And David saith, 'Let their table be made a snare, and a trap, and a stumbling block, and a recompence unto them:
10 Let their eyes be darkened, that they may not see, and bow down their back alway.'
11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.
KJV
Rom 11:25-29
25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, 'There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.'
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
KJV
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« on: Yesterday at 07:49:10 AM »
Which direction will Russia go, particularly in light of the Gog prophecy?
It's a darn good question. I have a bit unusual perspective, though I got my ideas from others. I think the Beast Empire will be European Civilization uniting East and West, including Russia and the US, and all of Europe. However, until that happens Russia and the US are like the thumbs on left and right hands, and they seek the sphere that enables them to be dominant in the roles they play.
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Old thread, but still very important for today. I highly recommend a book named New Lies For Old by Anatoliy Golitsyn. He was an ex-KGB colonel who defected to the U.S. in the 1960's. That book he wrote in 1984, but in it he predicted that in the Soviet's 3rd Phase of their long-range disinformation strategy against the west, they might allow the Berlin Wall to come down. That happened in 1989-1990. You can find a facsimile copy of the book on archive.org. Golitsyn wrote another book in 1990 called The Peristroika Deception, continuing revelations about the Communist's long-range disinformation strategy against the west. He even quoted Gorbachev when he was asked after the Berlin Wall was taken down, if he still believed in the plan for world Communism, and Gorbachev said definitely yes. So Golitsyn basically said the 'cold war' and Communism being over is nothing but a HOAX and part of the Russian Communist's long-range disinformation strategy against the West. In Golitsyn's book, he even mentions how Russian held religious summits inviting Christian pastors from the West are designed to plant disinformation in the Churches in the West to preach their idea of 'social religion' and not 'revealed religion', an idea that ex-FBI agent Cleon Skousen also mentioned in his book The Naked Communist.And one of the goals Golitsyn said that was part of the Soviet long-range disinformation strategy is the plan for a one-Socialist Europe, from the Urals to the Atlantic. Thus I believe world Communism is being used as a 'tool' to bring in the coming one-world beast government and kingdom. It simply ain't over, because the fat lady has not sung yet. And if one reads Georgetown history professor Carrol Quigley's 1960's book Tragedy and Hope, one will find that he says "the establishment" often works with Communism and has no problem doing so. Quigley himself was an "establishment" insider, as even ex-President Bill Clinton was taught under him at Georgetown University, and Clinton endorsed Quigley in his inaugural speech.
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« on: Yesterday at 07:26:54 AM »
At Zechariah 12:10-14, it is for after... the battle on the "day of the Lord", i.e., Armageddon when the nations of Ezek.38 come up against Jerusalem. And then those Jews of Romans 11 which Apostle Paul said God had blinded, will have that spiritual blindness removed, and they shall see Jesus Christ as He is, and will mourn for Him.
That nation list of Ezekiel 38 does not have any... Christian nation on it. So scratch ideas from Christ's enemies that try to claim the U.S. or any Christian nation will be part of that. Instead, Ezekiel 38 points to the nations of Russia, Persia (Iran, Iraq), Gomer (old Soviet satellite countries), Libya, and Togarmah (old Cappodicia, now the area of Turkey).
The Communist leaders of Russia I believe represent Jacob's unbelieving brother Esau who profaned his birthright from God by trading it for a bowl of beans. The prophecy in Genesis of the blessing given Esau by his father Isaac was that his place would be 'far away' from those things that were given to his brother Jacob (KJV has a scribe error on that Scripture). And thus Russia fits the bill, plus... it is obvious the 'radical' Islamic nations are being supported by Russia, so the "chief" prince of Meshech of Ezek.38 strongly points to modern-day Russia.
Esau married into both the families of the Canaanites, and the family of Ishmael (Arabs). Esau is obviously jealous of Jacob for having lost the Birthright. And Ishmael, Abraham's firstborn son (but not of Sarah per God's Promise), Ishmael too is jealous of Jacob having received God's Birthright.
And many of the leftover Canaanites became bondservants to Israel, and they also may have a play against and 'within' Israel in the last days. Daniel 11 about the "vile person" for the end, which I believe is the final Antichrist at the end, that Chapter says he will come to power with "a small people". I believe that "small people" represents false leaders of Israel at the end of this world which will push that "vile person" to be king-Messiah, and trick the majority of Jews in Jerusalem at the end into believing that Messiah has come.
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I interpret Christ's Olivet discourse as covering only a 'dual prophetic' fulfillment of the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple by the Romans in 70 A.D. The rest of Christ's Olivet discourse covers Signs specifically for the end of this world, leading up to Christ's future return.
I was raised in a Preterist mainstream Protestant Church, but I didn't know then what man's doctrine of Preterism was. They believed most of Revelation was fulfilled, and only Christ's future return was still lacking. That's called Partial-Preterism. Full-Preterism is the belief that Jesus' 2nd coming already happened back in the days of His Apostles, and that it was meant in the spiritual sense only, and not as a literal bodily return. Both in my opinion are failed doctrines of men, disproven by historical fact, and by overwhelming Scripture evidences that point directly to the latter days of this world, long after 70 A.D.
In the Matt.24:32-35 Scripture about the "generation" Jesus mentioned, He is pointing to the final generation that will 'see' all those Signs of the end that He gave.
Matt 24:32-35
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but My words shall not pass away.
KJV
The condition Jesus set in the above is that "generation" will "see all these things", meaning those Signs Jesus gave in His Olivet discourse. The very last Sign Jesus gave in the Matt.24:29-31 verses is about the day of His future coming to gather His saints, and He showed that will happen AFTER... that tribulation, meaning the "great tribulation" of verse 21. So there is yet another Biblical proof that His Olivet discourse Signs are for the very end of this world, in the final generation on earth, simply because His coming to gather His saints has not happened yet today.
Some will say, but that not one stone atop another Sign Jesus gave happened already, in 70 A.D., when the Roman army destroyed Jerusalem and the 2nd temple!
I see that as a 'dual prophecy' only partially fulfilled in 70 A.D. Just as Antiochus Epiphanes in 165 B.C. took Jerusalem and sacrificed swine inside the 2nd temple at Jerusalem, and then setup an IDOL abomination in Zeus worship 'partially' fulfilled the Daniel 11:31 prophecy about the coming Antichrist, likewise the not one stone atop another prophecy for 70 A.D. served as a 'partial' fulfillment.
Per the great earthquake of Rev.11 on the 7th Trumpet, and per the Zechariah 14 Scripture about the day of Christ's future return to the Mount of Olives, with a great valley being formed, that in my opinion will complete that 'not one stone atop another' Matt.24:2 prophecy.
The only further historical events aligned with Christ's Olivet discourse other than the 70 A.D. fulfillment of the destruction of Jerusalem and the 2nd temple, are the "many" that come claiming to be Christ. There were false Christs going back in history even in that time, just as there are still many today in my era that have claimed to be Jesus Christ. So really that idea is on-going fulfillment that will culminate in the coming of the actual Antichrist at the very end of this world.
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The seven seals and how they relate to Matthew 24:
1)white horse rider(Mt 24 "many shall come in my name saying I am anointed(Christ)24:5
2)red horse rider who takes peace from the earth(wars and rumors of wars)24:6
3)Black horse rider who measures food (famines in different places)24:7
4)Pale(Green) horse rider is death and hell follows kills 1/3 with disease and war(pestilences)24:7
5)Under the alter thos who died for Jesus(they shall deliver you up)24:9
6)eathquakes,sun becomes black,moon becomes as blood(compare with Mt 24)Isa 2:19 men hiding in the holes of the rocks and in caves(joel 2:31)24:29
7)silence in heaven(because Jesus is returning with his angels and heaven is empty)24:30
What say ye?
The rider on the white horse, which is assumed to be the 1st Seal, but really doesn't say... I interpret that white horse rider to be the coming pseudo-Christ mentioned later in the Matthew 24:23-26 verses. The very first sign Jesus gave indeed was to not let any man deceive us. That I agree is the direct connection in Matt.24 to that white horse rider, however... Later on at Matt.24:23-26, the context there is actually about a 'singular' false-Christ, not many "false Christs" like the KJV translators have it. Dr. James Strong in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance defined Greek pseudochristos there in Matt.24:24 as 'a spurious Messiah'. And the actual context of the Matt.24:23 & 26 verses is the singular tense about that false-Messiah. So what we actually have there in Matt.24 is probably where Apostle John got the idea of the coming of both a singular "antichrist" the brethren had already heard shall come, and then the "many antichrists" John said were already at work (1 John 2:18). Thus I interpret the "many" that only say they are Christ of Matt.24:5 to mean the "many antichrists" already at work. And then the later pseudochristos (spurious Messiah) that will have power to work great signs and wonders as the actual "antichrist" John said the brethren had already heard shall come. That then takes me back to the white horse rider, a singular individual mimic of how Lord Jesus returns on a white horse per Rev.19. I see that as the coming false-Messiah of Matt.24:23-26. No matter the warning of the coming false-Messiah is given at the first in Rev.6, because the link to that in Matt.24 is with Christ's very first warning to not allow any man to deceive us. This pattern of Apostle John's "antichrist" (singular false-Messiah with supernatural powers) vs. the "many antichrists" (the many who only claim to be Christ with no supernatural power), I also see in the 2 Thess.2 chapter by Paul. The "man of sin" represents the coming singular false-Messiah, and the "mystery of iniquity" Paul said was already at work represents the "many antichrists".
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