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« on: November 06, 2023, 07:48:39 PM »
So you're trying to offer a new doctrine of the Trinity, and not Binitarian, Sabellianism, or "coexistent Modalism" at all? Some just really, strange, doctrine of the Trinity where Jesus is teeny tiny?
I think it's awesome that 2,000 years after Jesus lived, people are still inventing new theologies about him.
I mean I have no problems with that in principle. Especially if they're novel and have notions like teeny tiny Jesus.
Now you appear to be mocking...
I assume that it is just for the fun of it?
Maybe you should seriously consider this doctrine.
No. You see, fun considerations are an interesting way to interrogate a doctrine. If our future selves also exist outside of time (do you think they do?), then we already exist outside of time, and that has certain implications when it comes to theory of time, and salvation, etc.
The teeny tiny Jesus stuff was in jest, but that's because the 10th dimension is teeny tiny and it's funny imagery. But like, I want to know exactly what you're saying. So, how far does this notion of atemporality extend?
In teaching that the Son is Omnipresent from everlasting to everlasting (exists throughout time and eternity).
I know. I'm asking about people and how far this notion extends.
I have no teaching on the saints ascending to exist outside of time (I believe that the Bible is silent on the issue).
Unless you have scripture to bring to bear on the equation...
I might have lost them in the teeny tiny 10th dimension 
Is that "gaslighting" or something else?
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« on: November 06, 2023, 07:47:12 PM »
In this, I may enter into contention with some of the posters here.
Dude, that's not a cool way to start off. Like, you're self-sabotaging and setting for yourself the expectation that there will be contention, so you'll seek it, in a way, and make it true. Like, you're righteous to judge?
It sounds like you need to believe that people can be friendly, and you maybe also need to accept your circumstance with these prayers for transmutation acting as an ongoing rejection of them. Where in that is the peace of God? I'm one to talk.
I know a lot about that myself. ICD 10 F64, F64.2... Aren't I lucky?
No, I am not here to seek contention; but I am also not so naive as to think that there will be none.
The scriptures teach (2 Thessalonians 2:2, Jude 1:3) that where the true gospel is preached, there will be contention among those who are not willing to receive the words of life coming from holy scripture.
Well, see, you've setup a scenario now in which either we preach the true Gospel and there's contention with your false gospel, or you preach the true Gospel and there's contention with our false gospel.
That betrays all sorts of things about how you imagine yourself to be in relation to the forum, and your intention in joining, what you hope to get out of it (or put in), and what you expect. So if you've set up all these expectations, are you actually interested in discussion, or are you going to do the teach/preach/I have the true Gospel thing?
Or, I preach the true gospel and you simply agree that it is the true gospel.
Or, you preach the true gospel and I agree that it is the true gospel.
When the true gospel is preached, unbelievers will have contention with it.
Believers won't.
That's not the most honest thing you've said. You would only agree with us if we agree with you, by the sounds of things.
And see, here you're now casting those who disagree with you (since you don't believe you have the false gospel) as unbelievers. And I think you're well aware you've done that because you don't expect us to accept your doctrine.
One can only hope (for your sake) that you will receive the truth.
I have said that if you can show me to be wrong anywhere in scripture, that I will conform my point of view to scripture.
As one can only hope (for your sake) that you will receive the truth? Or is that only one-way?
Well, to give you credit, you did abandon the teeny tiny 10th definitely not taught anywhere in Genesis 1 dimension.
What truth am I not receiving?
By all means, testify.
What truth are we not receiving?
I never said that there were any truths that you are not receiving.
But you all do seem to be argumentative as I was expecting from the getgo.
You did wish it, after all.
And these semantic games, to try to innocuously sneak in a "for your sake", only to play defensive when challenged in the same way. It's very boring.
No, I never did wish it. I only expected it.
I would much prefer if people would simply agree with the truth from the getgo instead of going into "debate mode".
Oh boy, now the gaslighting.
Well, I'll tell you what: I'm going to go to bed, and we'll see how things go, and maybe I'll be surprised. Hopefully, but probably not.
What is "gaslighting"? If I am doing that then I apologize. I really don't even know what it is. Maybe you can educate me.
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« on: November 06, 2023, 07:45:30 PM »
I said it in obedience to the following.
Luk 10:5, And into whatsoever house ye enter, first say, Peace be to this house.
Luk 10:6, And if the son of peace be there, your peace shall rest upon it: if not, it shall turn to you again.
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Luk 10:10, But into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you not, go your ways out into the streets of the same, and say,
uk 10:11, Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
Luk 10:12, But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city.
Uh huh, so like, you're being all judgmental?
I actually wiped the dust off of my feet to another website that banned me.
But the Lord spoke to my heart and told me to forgive them, so that judgment will not fall upon them unless they persist in doing to other people what they did to me.
I really do pray that my peace will come upon you...that is a genuine prayer.
Uhm, no it's not. You're straightforward to discern. And that's really a shame because it would be nice to have a few new faces around here. But you know.
You very intentionally put yourself into a position where you will be able to judge others. The peace that you pray for comes with strings attached. And we are not a city, by the way. Nor are you a 1st century Apostle.
So, are we to just discount those scriptures as being of antiquity and having no application for today's church.
There is a sense in which a Christian Message Board is a city. It is composed of a group of people just as a city is. And those people can reject what is being taught by a true preacher of the gospel; just as they were able to reject it in Jesus' day.
I have not really gotten around to preaching the gospel yet; except perhaps in the thread on "Can the law grant eternal life?".
Judge my gospel based on what I wrote in that thread.
By all means, apply them to a city.
I apply them to this Christian Message Board; as unpopular as that may be; and even inasmuch it may cause moderators here to become more inclined to ban me in the long run (because pride runs deep)... It does not change the fact that if they do, it will be better for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for them; unless I do not retain their sin.
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« on: November 06, 2023, 07:42:44 PM »
So you're trying to offer a new doctrine of the Trinity, and not Binitarian, Sabellianism, or "coexistent Modalism" at all? Some just really, strange, doctrine of the Trinity where Jesus is teeny tiny?
I think it's awesome that 2,000 years after Jesus lived, people are still inventing new theologies about him.
I mean I have no problems with that in principle. Especially if they're novel and have notions like teeny tiny Jesus.
Now you appear to be mocking...
I assume that it is just for the fun of it?
Maybe you should seriously consider this doctrine.
No. You see, fun considerations are an interesting way to interrogate a doctrine. If our future selves also exist outside of time (do you think they do?), then we already exist outside of time, and that has certain implications when it comes to theory of time, and salvation, etc.
The teeny tiny Jesus stuff was in jest, but that's because the 10th dimension is teeny tiny and it's funny imagery. But like, I want to know exactly what you're saying. So, how far does this notion of atemporality extend?
In teaching that the Son is Omnipresent from everlasting to everlasting (exists throughout time and eternity).
I know. I'm asking about people and how far this notion extends.
I have no teaching on the saints ascending to exist outside of time (I believe that the Bible is silent on the issue). Unless you have scripture to bring to bear on the equation...
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« on: November 06, 2023, 07:41:29 PM »
In this, I may enter into contention with some of the posters here.
Dude, that's not a cool way to start off. Like, you're self-sabotaging and setting for yourself the expectation that there will be contention, so you'll seek it, in a way, and make it true. Like, you're righteous to judge?
It sounds like you need to believe that people can be friendly, and you maybe also need to accept your circumstance with these prayers for transmutation acting as an ongoing rejection of them. Where in that is the peace of God? I'm one to talk.
I know a lot about that myself. ICD 10 F64, F64.2... Aren't I lucky?
No, I am not here to seek contention; but I am also not so naive as to think that there will be none.
The scriptures teach (2 Thessalonians 2:2, Jude 1:3) that where the true gospel is preached, there will be contention among those who are not willing to receive the words of life coming from holy scripture.
Well, see, you've setup a scenario now in which either we preach the true Gospel and there's contention with your false gospel, or you preach the true Gospel and there's contention with our false gospel.
That betrays all sorts of things about how you imagine yourself to be in relation to the forum, and your intention in joining, what you hope to get out of it (or put in), and what you expect. So if you've set up all these expectations, are you actually interested in discussion, or are you going to do the teach/preach/I have the true Gospel thing?
Or, I preach the true gospel and you simply agree that it is the true gospel.
Or, you preach the true gospel and I agree that it is the true gospel.
When the true gospel is preached, unbelievers will have contention with it.
Believers won't.
That's not the most honest thing you've said. You would only agree with us if we agree with you, by the sounds of things.
And see, here you're now casting those who disagree with you (since you don't believe you have the false gospel) as unbelievers. And I think you're well aware you've done that because you don't expect us to accept your doctrine.
One can only hope (for your sake) that you will receive the truth.
I have said that if you can show me to be wrong anywhere in scripture, that I will conform my point of view to scripture.
As one can only hope (for your sake) that you will receive the truth? Or is that only one-way?
Well, to give you credit, you did abandon the teeny tiny 10th definitely not taught anywhere in Genesis 1 dimension.
What truth am I not receiving?
By all means, testify.
What truth are we not receiving?
I never said that there were any truths that you are not receiving.
But you all do seem to be argumentative as I was expecting from the getgo.
You did wish it, after all.
And these semantic games, to try to innocuously sneak in a "for your sake", only to play defensive when challenged in the same way. It's very boring.
No, I never did wish it. I only expected it. I would much prefer if people would simply agree with the truth from the getgo instead of going into "debate mode".
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« on: November 06, 2023, 07:39:30 PM »
I said it in obedience to the following.
Luk 10:5, And into whatsoever house ye enter, first say, Peace be to this house.
Luk 10:6, And if the son of peace be there, your peace shall rest upon it: if not, it shall turn to you again.
.
Luk 10:10, But into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you not, go your ways out into the streets of the same, and say,
uk 10:11, Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
Luk 10:12, But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city.
Uh huh, so like, you're being all judgmental?
I actually wiped the dust off of my feet to another website that banned me.
But the Lord spoke to my heart and told me to forgive them, so that judgment will not fall upon them unless they persist in doing to other people what they did to me.
I really do pray that my peace will come upon you...that is a genuine prayer.
Uhm, no it's not. You're straightforward to discern. And that's really a shame because it would be nice to have a few new faces around here. But you know.
You very intentionally put yourself into a position where you will be able to judge others. The peace that you pray for comes with strings attached. And we are not a city, by the way. Nor are you a 1st century Apostle.
So, are we to just discount those scriptures as being of antiquity and having no application for today's church. There is a sense in which a Christian Message Board is a city. It is composed of a group of people just as a city is. And those people can reject what is being taught by a true preacher of the gospel; just as they were able to reject it in Jesus' day. I have not really gotten around to preaching the gospel yet; except perhaps in the thread on "Can the law grant eternal life?". Judge my gospel based on what I wrote in that thread.
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« on: November 06, 2023, 07:35:09 PM »
1Co 2:14, But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
You see, I'm asking because despite all my stupidity and enormous struggle and self-pity and sin and whatever else, I still have that classic gift of discernment, and I'm wondering if you're worth the trouble given that I think it's pretty obvious you'll either leave or be invited to leave at which point you can pronounce your judgements or whatever.
Do you know, I actually like 1 Corinthians 2:15 - 16 better than v14:
15 The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments,
16 for,
“Who has known the mind of the Lord
so as to instruct him?”
But we have the mind of Christ.
See if you're going to use Scripture as a hammer, it's often more effective to claim to be the person with the Spirit than to simply try a one-verse theology accusing the other person of being the "natural man". I mean, the implication is there, but it's all a matter of emphasis when the point is to inflict rhetorical harm.
I'm glad you stayed away from v12 - 13. I mean, that would have really set the stage. I'm really not sure what else you expected with that citation. But hey, you know what? I set this line up just for you. I hope you don't take it.
No, I was not accusing you of being the natural man; only substantiating my point that it is unbelievers who will have contention with the true gospel when it is preached.
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« on: November 06, 2023, 07:33:31 PM »
In this, I may enter into contention with some of the posters here.
Dude, that's not a cool way to start off. Like, you're self-sabotaging and setting for yourself the expectation that there will be contention, so you'll seek it, in a way, and make it true. Like, you're righteous to judge?
It sounds like you need to believe that people can be friendly, and you maybe also need to accept your circumstance with these prayers for transmutation acting as an ongoing rejection of them. Where in that is the peace of God? I'm one to talk.
I know a lot about that myself. ICD 10 F64, F64.2... Aren't I lucky?
No, I am not here to seek contention; but I am also not so naive as to think that there will be none.
The scriptures teach (2 Thessalonians 2:2, Jude 1:3) that where the true gospel is preached, there will be contention among those who are not willing to receive the words of life coming from holy scripture.
Well, see, you've setup a scenario now in which either we preach the true Gospel and there's contention with your false gospel, or you preach the true Gospel and there's contention with our false gospel.
That betrays all sorts of things about how you imagine yourself to be in relation to the forum, and your intention in joining, what you hope to get out of it (or put in), and what you expect. So if you've set up all these expectations, are you actually interested in discussion, or are you going to do the teach/preach/I have the true Gospel thing?
Or, I preach the true gospel and you simply agree that it is the true gospel.
Or, you preach the true gospel and I agree that it is the true gospel.
When the true gospel is preached, unbelievers will have contention with it.
Believers won't.
That's not the most honest thing you've said. You would only agree with us if we agree with you, by the sounds of things.
And see, here you're now casting those who disagree with you (since you don't believe you have the false gospel) as unbelievers. And I think you're well aware you've done that because you don't expect us to accept your doctrine.
One can only hope (for your sake) that you will receive the truth.
I have said that if you can show me to be wrong anywhere in scripture, that I will conform my point of view to scripture.
As one can only hope (for your sake) that you will receive the truth? Or is that only one-way?
Well, to give you credit, you did abandon the teeny tiny 10th definitely not taught anywhere in Genesis 1 dimension.
What truth am I not receiving?
By all means, testify.
What truth are we not receiving?
I never said that there were any truths that you are not receiving. But you all do seem to be argumentative as I was expecting from the getgo.
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« on: November 06, 2023, 07:28:33 PM »
In this, I may enter into contention with some of the posters here.
Dude, that's not a cool way to start off. Like, you're self-sabotaging and setting for yourself the expectation that there will be contention, so you'll seek it, in a way, and make it true. Like, you're righteous to judge?
It sounds like you need to believe that people can be friendly, and you maybe also need to accept your circumstance with these prayers for transmutation acting as an ongoing rejection of them. Where in that is the peace of God? I'm one to talk.
I know a lot about that myself. ICD 10 F64, F64.2... Aren't I lucky?
No, I am not here to seek contention; but I am also not so naive as to think that there will be none.
The scriptures teach (2 Thessalonians 2:2, Jude 1:3) that where the true gospel is preached, there will be contention among those who are not willing to receive the words of life coming from holy scripture.
Well, see, you've setup a scenario now in which either we preach the true Gospel and there's contention with your false gospel, or you preach the true Gospel and there's contention with our false gospel.
That betrays all sorts of things about how you imagine yourself to be in relation to the forum, and your intention in joining, what you hope to get out of it (or put in), and what you expect. So if you've set up all these expectations, are you actually interested in discussion, or are you going to do the teach/preach/I have the true Gospel thing?
Or, I preach the true gospel and you simply agree that it is the true gospel.
Or, you preach the true gospel and I agree that it is the true gospel.
When the true gospel is preached, unbelievers will have contention with it.
Believers won't.
That's not the most honest thing you've said. You would only agree with us if we agree with you, by the sounds of things.
And see, here you're now casting those who disagree with you (since you don't believe you have the false gospel) as unbelievers. And I think you're well aware you've done that because you don't expect us to accept your doctrine.
One can only hope (for your sake) that you will receive the truth.
I have said that if you can show me to be wrong anywhere in scripture, that I will conform my point of view to scripture.
As one can only hope (for your sake) that you will receive the truth? Or is that only one-way?
Well, to give you credit, you did abandon the teeny tiny 10th definitely not taught anywhere in Genesis 1 dimension.
What truth am I not receiving? By all means, testify.
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« on: November 06, 2023, 07:27:14 PM »
In this, I may enter into contention with some of the posters here.
Dude, that's not a cool way to start off. Like, you're self-sabotaging and setting for yourself the expectation that there will be contention, so you'll seek it, in a way, and make it true. Like, you're righteous to judge?
It sounds like you need to believe that people can be friendly, and you maybe also need to accept your circumstance with these prayers for transmutation acting as an ongoing rejection of them. Where in that is the peace of God? I'm one to talk.
I know a lot about that myself. ICD 10 F64, F64.2... Aren't I lucky?
No, I am not here to seek contention; but I am also not so naive as to think that there will be none.
The scriptures teach (2 Thessalonians 2:2, Jude 1:3) that where the true gospel is preached, there will be contention among those who are not willing to receive the words of life coming from holy scripture.
Well, see, you've setup a scenario now in which either we preach the true Gospel and there's contention with your false gospel, or you preach the true Gospel and there's contention with our false gospel.
That betrays all sorts of things about how you imagine yourself to be in relation to the forum, and your intention in joining, what you hope to get out of it (or put in), and what you expect. So if you've set up all these expectations, are you actually interested in discussion, or are you going to do the teach/preach/I have the true Gospel thing?
Or, I preach the true gospel and you simply agree that it is the true gospel.
Or, you preach the true gospel and I agree that it is the true gospel.
When the true gospel is preached, unbelievers will have contention with it.
Believers won't.
That's not the most honest thing you've said. You would only agree with us if we agree with you, by the sounds of things.
And see, here you're now casting those who disagree with you (since you don't believe you have the false gospel) as unbelievers. And I think you're well aware you've done that because you don't expect us to accept your doctrine.
One can only hope (for your sake) that you will receive the truth.
I have said that if you can show me to be wrong anywhere in scripture, that I will conform my point of view to scripture.
As one can only hope (for your sake) that you will receive the truth? Or is that only one-way?
Well, to give you credit, you did abandon the teeny tiny 10th definitely not taught anywhere in Genesis 1 dimension.
I simply conceded the point because it was not necessary to my argument.
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« on: November 06, 2023, 07:25:58 PM »
So you're trying to offer a new doctrine of the Trinity, and not Binitarian, Sabellianism, or "coexistent Modalism" at all? Some just really, strange, doctrine of the Trinity where Jesus is teeny tiny?
I think it's awesome that 2,000 years after Jesus lived, people are still inventing new theologies about him.
I mean I have no problems with that in principle. Especially if they're novel and have notions like teeny tiny Jesus.
Now you appear to be mocking...
I assume that it is just for the fun of it?
Maybe you should seriously consider this doctrine.
No. You see, fun considerations are an interesting way to interrogate a doctrine. If our future selves also exist outside of time (do you think they do?), then we already exist outside of time, and that has certain implications when it comes to theory of time, and salvation, etc.
The teeny tiny Jesus stuff was in jest, but that's because the 10th dimension is teeny tiny and it's funny imagery. But like, I want to know exactly what you're saying. So, how far does this notion of atemporality extend?
In teaching that the Son is Omnipresent from everlasting to everlasting (exists throughout time and eternity).
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« on: November 06, 2023, 07:24:28 PM »
I said it in obedience to the following.
Luk 10:5, And into whatsoever house ye enter, first say, Peace be to this house.
Luk 10:6, And if the son of peace be there, your peace shall rest upon it: if not, it shall turn to you again.
.
Luk 10:10, But into whatsoever city ye enter, and they receive you not, go your ways out into the streets of the same, and say,
uk 10:11, Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.
Luk 10:12, But I say unto you, that it shall be more tolerable in that day for Sodom, than for that city.
Uh huh, so like, you're being all judgmental?
I actually wiped the dust off of my feet to another website that banned me. But the Lord spoke to my heart and told me to forgive them, so that judgment will not fall upon them unless they persist in doing to other people what they did to me. I really do pray that my peace will come upon you...that is a genuine prayer.
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« on: November 06, 2023, 07:21:04 PM »
1Co 2:14, But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
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« on: November 06, 2023, 07:18:33 PM »
In this, I may enter into contention with some of the posters here.
Dude, that's not a cool way to start off. Like, you're self-sabotaging and setting for yourself the expectation that there will be contention, so you'll seek it, in a way, and make it true. Like, you're righteous to judge?
It sounds like you need to believe that people can be friendly, and you maybe also need to accept your circumstance with these prayers for transmutation acting as an ongoing rejection of them. Where in that is the peace of God? I'm one to talk.
I know a lot about that myself. ICD 10 F64, F64.2... Aren't I lucky?
No, I am not here to seek contention; but I am also not so naive as to think that there will be none.
The scriptures teach (2 Thessalonians 2:2, Jude 1:3) that where the true gospel is preached, there will be contention among those who are not willing to receive the words of life coming from holy scripture.
Well, see, you've setup a scenario now in which either we preach the true Gospel and there's contention with your false gospel, or you preach the true Gospel and there's contention with our false gospel.
That betrays all sorts of things about how you imagine yourself to be in relation to the forum, and your intention in joining, what you hope to get out of it (or put in), and what you expect. So if you've set up all these expectations, are you actually interested in discussion, or are you going to do the teach/preach/I have the true Gospel thing?
Or, I preach the true gospel and you simply agree that it is the true gospel.
Or, you preach the true gospel and I agree that it is the true gospel.
When the true gospel is preached, unbelievers will have contention with it.
Believers won't.
That's not the most honest thing you've said. You would only agree with us if we agree with you, by the sounds of things.
And see, here you're now casting those who disagree with you (since you don't believe you have the false gospel) as unbelievers. And I think you're well aware you've done that because you don't expect us to accept your doctrine.
One can only hope (for your sake) that you will receive the truth. I have said that if you can show me to be wrong anywhere in scripture, that I will conform my point of view to scripture.
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« on: November 06, 2023, 07:16:50 PM »
In this, I may enter into contention with some of the posters here.
Dude, that's not a cool way to start off. Like, you're self-sabotaging and setting for yourself the expectation that there will be contention, so you'll seek it, in a way, and make it true. Like, you're righteous to judge?
It sounds like you need to believe that people can be friendly, and you maybe also need to accept your circumstance with these prayers for transmutation acting as an ongoing rejection of them. Where in that is the peace of God? I'm one to talk.
I know a lot about that myself. ICD 10 F64, F64.2... Aren't I lucky?
No, I am not here to seek contention; but I am also not so naive as to think that there will be none.
The scriptures teach (2 Thessalonians 2:2, Jude 1:3) that where the true gospel is preached, there will be contention among those who are not willing to receive the words of life coming from holy scripture.
Well, see, you've setup a scenario now in which either we preach the true Gospel and there's contention with your false gospel, or you preach the true Gospel and there's contention with our false gospel.
That betrays all sorts of things about how you imagine yourself to be in relation to the forum, and your intention in joining, what you hope to get out of it (or put in), and what you expect. So if you've set up all these expectations, are you actually interested in discussion, or are you going to do the teach/preach/I have the true Gospel thing?
I'm going to begin with the concept that 1 John 4:4-6 is written specifically to me (as well as others; but certainly not excluding me).
And that I have an unction according to 1 John 2:20-21,27.
Now, I have changed my point of view at other times when I have been proven wrong with the testimony of scripture; and I have in that conformed my view to the testimony of scripture.
The meaning of this is two-fold:
1) my view is closer now to the testimony of scripture than what it was previously;
and,
2) if I have changed my point of view to fit scripture before, I will do it again if I am shown clearly from scripture that my point of view is incorrect.
However, statements like, "you are simply twisting scripture" is not going to cut it with me.
You need to show scripture that refutes what I am saying; and you also need to identify the statements whereby you think that I am twisting the scriptures.
That's cool but like, what does that have to do with what I wrote?
You asked me a question and I answered it. (did you read the scriptures that I referenced?)
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