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« on: July 29, 2021, 04:28:18 PM »
This form of dispensationalism has mesmerized very great men such as John Wycliffe, Martin Luther, Jonathan Edwards, and I believe especially even more, Clarance Larkin. They called it historicism, but what it actually was, was date setting. I think that's where they find the issue keraz. No man knoweth the day or the hour except the Father. It can't be pinned down sir.
Thanks for your input, Tim. I agree that we cannot know the Day or the hour of Jesus' Return. We may know the year. More importantly, for us alive today: we cannot know when He will send His terrible Day of fiery wrath upon the earth. But God has given us the information for us to be able to see His over-arching Plan for His Creation of mankind and our environment. He is a God to whom numbers are significant, 7 and 40 are examples. In Genesis 1, we have the formula for this Plan; a series of six time periods, culminating is a final, perfect seventh period. We are told, in Revelation 20 that the final period will be one thousand years. Now, as we are nearly 2000 years since Jesus, we have the hindsight and the ability to work out that there was exactly 4000 years from Adam to Jesus. This may be scary and even unacceptable to some, but it is factual. Do the math yourself: Add - 130, 105, 90, 70, 65, 162, 65, 187, 182, 600, 35, 30, 34, 30, 32, 30, 29, 70. They are the numbers given in the Bible of the years from Adam until to the birth of Abram. All scripture refs are in my post #83. They add to 1948 years. We know that Abram was a grown, married man when God called him to leave his country. It is not an assumption, but a valid fact to say that Abram was 52 when He obeyed God and departed from Ur of the Chaldees. It makes the perfect number of 2000 years; Adam to the time God commenced working with mankind for His purposes. The fact of the 2000 years Adam to Abraham, is proved by the next exact 2000 years; Abraham to Jesus, His acclamation as King and subsequent Death, in 30 AD. Attempts to destroy my credibility and to vilify me, are made by those who have another agenda, they have no Biblical support or proper refutation.
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« on: July 29, 2021, 04:55:02 AM »
I re-posted the Bible based time periods in #83. It proves the 2000 years from Adam until Abram left Ur. God called him to leave his country; before he went to Harran.
Then there was another exact 2000 years from when Abram left Ur until Jesus was acclaimed King and subsequently Crucified.
Now we are 1991 years since 30 AD. I am not surprised people don't like it!
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« on: July 28, 2021, 08:20:12 PM »
Fenris, we have a puzzle here. Terah was 70 when Abram was born. Abram was a grown; married man when the left Ur with his father and family. But Abram was childless, as Sarah was barren. In all probability, Abram and Sarah were not so young when they left Ur. They settled in Harran for at least several years. Abram then left Harran and went Canaan when he was 75.
But Terah lived until he was 205. So he must have still been alive in Harran after Abram had gone.
I stand by the addition of the time periods that give us exactly 2000 years from Adam to when Abram left Ur at age 52. God called Abram, not Terah. Abram and Sarah lived in Harran for 23 years.
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« on: July 28, 2021, 04:38:26 PM »
Terah was not the person that God called.
What age was Abraham when he was called?
The only time the Bible gives Abram's age is in Genesis 12:4. He was 75 when he departed from Harran. And he was 99 when God made the Covenant with him. But we see in Genesis 12:1, that God told Abram to leave his own country, his kin, your fathers house and go to a land I will show you. This call must have been while he was in Ur, which he obeyed as soon as he could, excepting he took his father with him. So until Terah died, Abram and his family didn't go on to Canaan. That took some years. I contend it was 23 years and I prove it by Abram being 52 when he received the Call, that time making the exact 2000 year period since Adam.
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« on: July 28, 2021, 04:30:23 AM »
The genealogy of Jesus has no relevance to the timeline as I have presented. Absolutely relevant, since it includes an extra generation between Adam and Abraham, which throws off your timeline by at least 100 years. The only reason you exclude this extra generation is because it throws off your timeline. Purposely misrepresenting what the Bible says when what it says proves your view is wrong is both completely dishonest and circular.
But it's not like a good Christian prophet completely lied about something else the Bible said in another thread and refuses to acknowledge they did so. That definitely wouldn't set a precedent that they're less than honest with how they use the Bible.
No time periods are given in the genealogies of Jesus. The only times are as I have shown and they do add to a very significant point for us today. To dismiss the prospect of dramatic coming events, is yours and everyone's prerogative. But your nonsense and rude accusation against me for calling a Jewish priest a Rabbi, shows an entrenched denial of these Biblical Truths, to your discredit.
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« on: July 27, 2021, 04:23:05 PM »
You do know that the geneologies in Genesis (and Luke, and Matthew) are not sequential, that is, it is not a chronological father to son relationship, right?
The genealogy of Jesus has no relevance to the timeline as I have presented. They are numbers as given to us in the Bible. Those numbers are not meaningless. There was 3386.5 years from Adam to the conquest of Judah by Babylon, in 596 BC.
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« on: July 27, 2021, 12:54:22 AM »
Genesis 1:27 Adam was created in 3970.5 BC subtracted back from 586 BCE, from:
Gen 5:3 Seth +130, Gen 5:6 Enoch +105, Gen 5:9 Kenan +90, Gen 5:12 Mahalalel +70, Gen 5:15 Jared +65, Gen 5:18 Enoch +162, Gen 5:21 Methuselah +65, Gen 5:25 Lamech +187, Gen 5:28 Noah+182, Gen 7:6 The Flood came when Noah was +600, Gen 11:10 Our year 2314.5 BC Arpachshad +2 - born to Shem after the flood. Gen 11:12 Selah +35, Gen 11:14 Heber +30, Gen 11:16 Peleg +34, Gen 11:18 Reu +30, Gen 11:20 Serug +32, Gen 11:22 Nahor +30 , Gen 11:24 Terah +29, Gen 11:26 Abram +70, Abram was +52 when they left Ur. Our year 1970.5 BCE He lived in Haran for 23 years, then went to Canaan at age 75. Genesis 12:4 Total years since Adam = 2000
Then there was another 2000 years until Jesus was acclaimed as King.
Now there has been 5991 years since Adam.
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« on: July 26, 2021, 04:44:47 PM »
What was Abram's age when God asked him to depart for an unknown land?
I already told you that. Maybe God gave him some time to sell his house, etc, but that is irrelevant; he departed from Ur at age 52.
He departed Ur with his father at age 52. But that was his father's journey, not his own. What was the age when God called upon him? It's not 52.
Terah was not the person that God called.
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« on: July 26, 2021, 05:03:32 AM »
What was Abram's age when God asked him to depart for an unknown land?
I already told you that. Maybe God gave him some time to sell his house, etc, but that is irrelevant; he departed from Ur at age 52. He certainly lived in Haran for many years, until his father died, THEN when Abram was 75 he finally entered the Promised Land. Remember too; that travel such distances often took years, esp with all Abrams baggage! The whole point of this exercise, is to prove God's amazing timing of the pivotal events of His dealings with mankind.
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« on: July 25, 2021, 05:37:50 PM »
Abram's journey didn't begin until he was 75. [/quote] You are wrong. What else are you wrong about? Abram did not leave Ur at age 75, he was that age when he entered the Promised Land. He, his father and his wife left Ur when Abram was 52, they stayed in Haran for 23 years; when Terah died. The addition of the time periods as given for the Patriarchs up until Abram obeyed God and departed from Ur, is exactly 2000 years. Then exactly another 2000 years later Jesus was acclaimed as King, Matthew 21:5-9 We are now 1991 years since that Day.
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« on: July 23, 2021, 04:57:55 PM »
Who is the real House of Israel? A study of the first two chapters of Hosea shows us that Israel was to be cast off and divorced from God. They were to be scattered (“Jezreel”); they were to have no mercy (“Lo-ruhamah”); and they were to be no longer God’s people (“Lo-ammi”). But at the same time, God promised that they would be regathered under one Head (Jesus Christ) and come out of captivity. A decreed period; Ezekiel 4:4-6.
In fact, God told them He would “betroth thee unto Me in righteousness” (Hosea 2:19). The prophecy culminates with a Hebrew play on words. The name “Jezreel” means “God scatters,” but it also means “God sows.” (One must scatter the seed in order to sow it in the field.) Thus, at first the name prophesies that Israel was to be scattered; but ultimately it shows God’s Purpose—to sow Israel in the earth in order to multiply her as the sand of the sea, so as God will remain faithful to His promise to Abraham.
Hosea 2:23 And I will sow her unto Me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not My people, Thou art My people; and they shall say, Thou art My God. In other words, even though God did indeed cast off His people Israel, scattering them in the nations by the hand of the Assyrians, God’s ultimate Purpose was to sow them in the earth, so that they would multiply and fulfill the promise to Abraham and the prophesies of Jacob and Moses. Furthermore, Hosea prophesied that; in the very place (of their captivity) where it is said that they are not God’s people (Israel), they would be Christians known as; “the Sons of the living God." Hosea 1:10, Romans 9:24-26
The problem is that most Christians try to make the Jews fulfill these prophesies, when the House of Judah, is fact, fulfilling an entirely different set of prophecies. God in His great mercy has allowed them nearly 2000 years to change their hearts to Him and to accept Jesus as Messiah. If people realized that the Jews are to fulfill the prophecies of the House of Judah, instead of those dealing with the lost House of Israel, they would not have made this mistake. The Jews were certainly “cast off” in 586 BC and again in 70-135 A.D., even as Israel was cast off during 745-712 B.C.—but the difference is that the prophets uniformly prophesy good things for lost Israel even during the time of their captivity; while severe judgments were pronounced upon Jerusalem and the Jewish people. Note that Ezekiel 21:14 tells of 3 Judgements. The next one, to come; will be by the Hand of the Lord Himself. Ezekiel 21:1-7
In Jeremiah 18:1-10, God says that the House of Israel was marred in the Potter’s hand, so God was going to beat down the wet clay and remake it into a vessel fit for His use. Then beginning in verse 11, God begins to prophesy about Jerusalem and Judah. First comes an indictment for their sins, and then in Jeremiah 19:1-15 we see that Jeremiah was to take an old earthen vessel (as opposed to wet clay that was pliable), he was to go to the city dump and smash the earthen vessel there, saying: Even so will I break this people and this city, as one breaks a potter’s vessel, that cannot be made whole again, and they shall bury them in Tophet, till there be no place to bury. Thus will I do unto this place, says the Lord, and to the inhabitants thereof, and even make this city as Tophet.
God’s choice of an allegory to suit each House is amazing! An old clay vessel, once broken, cannot be remade into another vessel. Only wet, pliable clay can be used to remake a vessel. The House of Israel is like the pliable clay; but the House of Judah will be smashed and never again be built into a vessel of honor. At the end of the first Temple era, God departed from it and Ezekiel saw the glory depart. Ezekiel 10:4-19 It has never returned to the Temple. Even when Zerubbabel rebuilt the Temple in 515 B.C., the glory did not return to it when they dedicated it to God. The work was good and was allowed by God, but the site itself was cursed.
This is consistent with the New Testament prophecies regarding the cursed fig tree, Matt. 21:21 the parable of the vineyard, Matt. 21:43-44 and the parable of the citizens who hated Him and would not allow Him to reign over them. Luke 19:27
The point is, these peoples must still be around to fulfill these distinct prophecies for Israel and for the cursed fig tree. The lost House of Israel must exist to be remade into another vessel and Judah must exist to be virtually wiped out. Isaiah 22:14 The problem comes when people think that the smashed vessel is going to be rebuilt into a vessel fit for God’s use, and when those same people wrongly think that the original House of Israel is lost forever and the Jews are the only Israel.
Plainly, the Christian peoples are the House of Israel, the Overcomers for God, as Jacob was. Jesus came to save the House of Israel, Matthew 15:24, who must be the Christian peoples; or Jesus failed in His mission. The Jews will never change and Bible prophecy says they will be Judged and punished and only a remnant will survive.
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« on: July 23, 2021, 04:36:06 PM »
It was exactly 2000 years from Adam until Abram, when he was 52; obeyed God and departed from Ur.
Abram was seventy-five years old when he set out from Harran Gen 12:4 Terah, his father, departed Ur some years earlier. But that was his journey, not Abram's. This playing with the dates is most unattractive.
I do not play with dates. I simply add the time periods as given in the Bible. Abram and Terah departed from Ur when Abram was 52. They lived in Haran for 23 years, then, after Terah died, Abram, then aged 75; went into Canaan. The first two numbers are obtained by logical deduction, as the year that Abram obeyed God and left Ur, was exactly 2000 years since Adam was created. These facts may be 'unattractive' to you, but they show how God is in control and His Plan for mankind will prevail.
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« on: July 21, 2021, 06:01:24 PM »
Question: does anyone here that believes in a rapture event believe that some Christians ("the ones who are READY") will be removed from the earth and that other Christians ("the ones who are not READY") will be "Left Behind?"
The 'rapture to heaven' theory is a false teaching. Nowhere does the Bible say that people will ever live in heaven. Eventually God and therefore heaven; come to the earth, for Eternity, Revelation 21:1-7 The 'rapture' is a lie, from the father of lies.
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« on: July 21, 2021, 05:55:10 PM »
And, um, not to put too fine a point on it, but which calendar are we using? Are we accounting for Joshua's sun standing still and Hezekiah's sundial going backwards?
I just get so confused with Bible math. Should I just be able to add 2 and 2 together and tell everyone how I feel about the answer?
And sometimes, to paragraph Freud, a fire is just a fire.
For the Biblical timeline; no calendar is used. Just the addition of the time periods given. Plus the known fact of when Babylon conquered Judah. It was exactly 2000 years from Adam until Abram, when he was 52; obeyed God and departed from Ur. Then 1386.5 years until Judah was conquered in 586 BC. Another 613.5 years later; Jesus was acknowledged as King and subsequently Crucified. In 29/30 AD Now we are very close to the next 2000 year mark. 6000 years since Adam and only the final 1000 years of the rule of King Jesus over all the world, then Eternity,
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« on: July 19, 2021, 07:13:59 PM »
Leviticus 26:21-28 describes two sets of punishments, against the House of Israel, Leviticus 26:21-22, multiplied by seven and against the House of Judah; Leviticus 26:23-45. Multiplied by seven times seven. Note; that Leviticus 26:41-42 clearly says: IF their stubborn spirit is broken and they accept their punishment in full. THEN; I shall remember My Covenant with Abraham and shall remember the holy Land.
I believe these prophesies relate to Ezekiel 4:4-6, where we are told the times for the punishment by exile for both Houses. For Israel, it is 390 X 7 = 2730 years. For Judah it is 40 X 7 X 7= 1960 years.
Israel, the ten Northern tribes were conquered by Shalmaneser in 722-721 BC, but finally exiled by Sargon 2, circa 715 BC. This means their exile is over just about now.
Judah the Jewish people were exiled for the second time in 70 AD. Their final return, when they repent and accept Jesus as Messiah, will be 1960 years later, in 2030. When Jesus Returns. Zechariah 12:9-14
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