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General Category => In General => Topic started by: RandyPNW on May 26, 2021, 03:11:27 AM
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I'd be curious to hear what others believe the most important fundamental beliefs of Christianity are? Perhaps you believe they're enshrined in the creeds, or in your denominational statement of beliefs? Do you believe different beliefs have been emphasized in different times? For example, we've had emphases in history on justification by faith, baptism by immersion, holiness, Spirit Baptism, etc.
I personally hold to the basic creeds, and do accept that different times required different emphases. The different doctrinal emphases happened in former Christian countries of European extraction. Movement into pagan or non-Christian areas of the world would naturally focus on the means of Salvation--not revival or the renewal of doctrines.
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I think today we see the Word is spread into the uttermost parts of the world while it lays dusty on bookshelves in the places that it was sent from. We are in a time when preachers preach on everything but Jesus expectation of following Him in the way we live or His judgement for the wicked. We live in a time of preach/teach what you think/feel with authority instead of humbly admitting we are all learning and need to stay in the Word. Where did the understanding go of, we can know them by their works?
We got a letter at the church about 14 years ago from an organization asking us to take down any crosses at the church and stop talking about blood because it offended people. Maybe that’s what happened, too many churches were worried about offending people so they watered down what they shared so much they had to just stop using scripture.
All that rambling to say, I think we need to stick to teaching the basic truths Jesus taught. Stop looking for something new or trying to make the congregations feel good. People need to feel a sense of unease to have a desire to change. First people need to accept Jesus as their personal Lord and Savior. Get into the Word so we know what He said about how to love the Lord first and love our neighbors. If we really love our neighbors we will want to help them find Jesus. It’s hard to show them a better way when we are sounding, living, and acting just like them. We need to be like Christ instead of just wearing Him on our clothes, if that makes sense.
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That goes beyond what I was asking, but well said! I agree that we need to stick to our roots, to stay true to a fundamental relationship with Christ, coupled with his obedience to the command to genuinely love. I think what has happened in former Christian countries is that there has always been compromise. "Love for your neighbor" was conflated with "tolerance for all religious practices in this Christian society."
Though "tolerance" has a place in Christianity, and sounds "nice," it can also be a compromise with paganism and immorality. It can be an alliance with unjust leaders. Even if our society has different standards of right and wrong, we, as genuine Christians, need to testify to the truth, to true standards of righteousness.
If we are to stay true to "one God," we need to not be afraid of "offending" those who wish to practice their pagan lifestyles in former Christian countries. But if we are in an ex-Christian country, then I suppose we have no choice to but tolerate what the majority and the leadership choose to impose. I'll keep my set of moral requirements, and they can be judged for the leniency towards sin they exhibit.
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For me, the fundamentals of the faith are the core beliefs that define Christianity, including the belief in one God who created and loves us, the salvation offered through Jesus Christ, the power of prayer and the Holy Spirit, and the importance of living a life of love and service to others.
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I believe the fundamentals of the Christian faith are centered around belief in the Trinity, the divinity and humanity of Jesus Christ, his death and resurrection for our salvation, and the necessity of faith in him for eternal life. These core beliefs are found in the historic creeds of the Christian church and have been emphasized throughout Christian history. While different denominations may emphasize certain beliefs more than others, these fundamentals serve as the foundation of the Christian faith. As we engage with people from different cultures and backgrounds, it's important to focus on these essentials while also being open to learning from others and understanding their perspectives.
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For me, the fundamentals of the faith are the core beliefs that define Christianity, including the belief in one God who created and loves us, the salvation offered through Jesus Christ, the power of prayer and the Holy Spirit, and the importance of living a life of love and service to others.
This is how I understand Christianity.
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What are the fundamentals of Christianity, to believe there i one God ?
James 2:19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?
No, that was replied against vain man.
How about, God who loves us, the salvation of Christ and us living a life of love ?
No, again that is not what is testified for us, but the Spirit is, of Christ to dwell in pour hearts by faith, which is us being rooted and grounded in love, to understand with all saints what is the love of Christ, which passes knowledge. ( to be filled with all the fulness of God.)
The peace of God which passes all understanding, shall keep our hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
Now pay attention ( everybody who loves discussions.) whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, ( the Apostle Paul, Apostle to the Gentiles for the faith of Jesus Christ.) do: and the God of peace shall be with you. ( the God of peace passes all understanding, and if you of the forums are discussing fundamentals, it is in deed and in truth, not in word or tongue as people provide of themselves.)
Ephesians 3:16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.
Philippians 4:7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
8 Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.
9 Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.
Ezekiel 33:31 And they come unto thee as the people cometh, and they sit before thee as my people, and they hear thy words, but they will not do them: for with their mouth they shew much love, but their heart goeth after their covetousness.
1 John 3:16 Hereby perceive we the love of God, because he laid down his life for us: and we ought to lay down our lives for the brethren.
17 But whoso hath this world's good, and seeth his brother have need, and shutteth up his bowels of compassion from him, how dwelleth the love of God in him?
18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.
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Now pay attention ( everybody who loves discussions.)
Trying to make new friends?
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Now pay attention ( everybody who loves discussions.)
Trying to make new friends?
Proverbs 27:6 Faithful are the wounds of a friend; but the kisses of an enemy are deceitful.
Luke 22:47 And while he yet spake, behold a multitude, and he that was called Judas, one of the twelve, went before them, and drew near unto Jesus to kiss him.
48 But Jesus said unto him, Judas, betrayest thou the Son of man with a kiss?
How many Judas's on the forum, how many friends with "kisses" and flatterers
Proverbs 26:28 A lying tongue hateth those that are afflicted by it; and a flattering mouth worketh ruin.
Proverbs 27:5 Open rebuke is better than secret love.
Psalm 141:5 Let the righteous smite me; it shall be a kindness: and let him reprove me; it shall be an excellent oil, which shall not break my head: for yet my prayer also shall be in their calamities.
Psalm 28:3 Draw me not away with the wicked, and with the workers of iniquity, which speak peace to their neighbours, but mischief is in their hearts.
Psalm 55:21 The words of his mouth were smoother than butter, but war was in his heart: his words were softer than oil, yet were they drawn swords.
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Seems like a 'no'.
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Seems like a 'no'.
There is a friend that is closer than a brother.
Christ called us friends, as He made known to us all things of the Father.
We are made one with Christ, that is why He is not ashamed to call us brothers. ( Christ became the friend that is closer than a brother, by being one with us.)
Proverbs 18:24 A man that hath friends must shew himself friendly: and there is a friend that sticketh closer than a brother.
John 15:15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
Hebrews 2:11 For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,
12 Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.
13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again, Behold I and the children which God hath given me.
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Seems like a 'no'.
I mean if he were a bot that simply posted bible verses at random, how would his posts look any different?
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Seems like a 'no'.
I mean if he were a bot that simply posted bible verses at random, how would his posts look any different?
1 Thessalonians 2:14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:
15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:
16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.
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Seems like a 'no'.
I mean if he were a bot that simply posted bible verses at random, how would his posts look any different?
1 Thessalonians 2:14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:
15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:
16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.
I rest my case. I mean, case closed.
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Seems like a 'no'.
I mean if he were a bot that simply posted bible verses at random, how would his posts look any different?
1 Thessalonians 2:14 For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:
15 Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:
16 Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.
I rest my case. I mean, case closed.
2 Chronicles 36:15 And the Lord God of their fathers sent to them by his messengers, rising up betimes, and sending; because he had compassion on his people, and on his dwelling place:
16 But they mocked the messengers of God, and despised his words, and misused his prophets, until the wrath of the Lord arose against his people, till there was no remedy.
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2 Chronicles 36:15 And the Lord God of their fathers sent to them by his messengers, rising up betimes, and sending; because he had compassion on his people, and on his dwelling place:
16 But they mocked the messengers of God, and despised his words, and misused his prophets, until the wrath of the Lord arose against his people, till there was no remedy.
Oh dear. Another "messenger of God" type.
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Now pay attention ( everybody who loves discussions.)
Trying to make new friends?
How many Judas's on the forum, how many friends with "kisses" and flatterers
Not one, meaning includes you as well.
I (was) am responding to your haughtiness tone in your postings, see the red for example. It's not up to you (notable as a newbie) how a Bible forum (with a history of ~20 years) should function. I am sure you heard of the term fellowship of the saints centered around our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, it's what we are doing here, we discuss, we debate the things of the Lord, even Jesus did with people, his disciples, the Pharisees. We exchange daily experiences, as friends sometimes we make fun. Post Scripture if you think that's wrong, else tone down a bit and become more accessible.
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Now pay attention ( everybody who loves discussions.)
Trying to make new friends?
How many Judas's on the forum, how many friends with "kisses" and flatterers
Not one, meaning includes you as well.
I (was) am responding to your haughtiness tone in your postings, see the red for example. It's not up to you (notable as a newbie) how a Bible forum (with a history of ~20 years) should function. I am sure you heard of the term fellowship of the saints centered around our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, it's what we are doing here, we discuss, we debate the things of the Lord, even Jesus did with people, his disciples, the Pharisees. We exchange daily experiences, as friends sometimes we make fun. Post Scripture if you think that's wrong, else tone down a bit and become more accessible.
As for your idea that debate is allowed..
Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
2 Corinthians 12:20 For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults:
21 And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.
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Seems like a 'no'.
I mean if he were a bot that simply posted bible verses at random, how would his posts look any different?
ChatGPT ?
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Seems like a 'no'.
I mean if he were a bot that simply posted bible verses at random, how would his posts look any different?
ChatGPT ?
Your discussions on the forum are so little usually. ( very little testimony of the bible, on a bible forum.)
The discussion has become busy for the guys, now they can talk about something else. ( dealing in proud wrath.)
Proverbs 21:24 Proud and haughty scorner is his name, who dealeth in proud wrath.
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Now pay attention ( everybody who loves discussions.)
Trying to make new friends?
How many Judas's on the forum, how many friends with "kisses" and flatterers
Not one, meaning includes you as well.
I (was) am responding to your haughtiness tone in your postings, see the red for example. It's not up to you (notable as a newbie) how a Bible forum (with a history of ~20 years) should function. I am sure you heard of the term fellowship of the saints centered around our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, it's what we are doing here, we discuss, we debate the things of the Lord, even Jesus did with people, his disciples, the Pharisees. We exchange daily experiences, as friends sometimes we make fun. Post Scripture if you think that's wrong, else tone down a bit and become more accessible.
As for your idea that debate is allowed..
Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
2 Corinthians 12:20 For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults:
21 And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.
ChatGPT obviously...
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Now pay attention ( everybody who loves discussions.)
Trying to make new friends?
How many Judas's on the forum, how many friends with "kisses" and flatterers
Not one, meaning includes you as well.
I (was) am responding to your haughtiness tone in your postings, see the red for example. It's not up to you (notable as a newbie) how a Bible forum (with a history of ~20 years) should function. I am sure you heard of the term fellowship of the saints centered around our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, it's what we are doing here, we discuss, we debate the things of the Lord, even Jesus did with people, his disciples, the Pharisees. We exchange daily experiences, as friends sometimes we make fun. Post Scripture if you think that's wrong, else tone down a bit and become more accessible.
As for your idea that debate is allowed..
Romans 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
2 Corinthians 12:20 For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults:
21 And lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and that I shall bewail many which have sinned already, and have not repented of the uncleanness and fornication and lasciviousness which they have committed.
ChatGPT obviously...
This is obvious to me..
2 Timothy 3:8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.
Titus 1:16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
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As for your idea that debate is allowed..
You don't think debate should be allowed? How...totalitarian of you.
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As for your idea that debate is allowed..
You don't think debate should be allowed? How...totalitarian of you.
Yes I quoted Gods word, only a sincere Christian would be able to acknowledge the truth of Christ.
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Yes I quoted Gods word, only a sincere Christian would be able to acknowledge the truth of Christ.
I quoted verses from the bible too. Are you a sincere Christian?
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Yes I quoted Gods word, only a sincere Christian would be able to acknowledge the truth of Christ.
I quoted verses from the bible too. Are you a sincere Christian?
A Christian avoids foolish questions and strivings about the law ( form those in the law)...
Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.
10 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
11 Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.
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A Christian avoids foolish questions and strivings about the law ( form those in the law)...
So when YOU post a bible verse it's authoritative, but when someone else posts one it's just foolishness.
You aren't here to have a discussion. You're hear to preach and expect us to just listen and applaud you. I don't think you've come to the right place, my friend. This is a place of sometimes vigorous debate.
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A Christian avoids foolish questions and strivings about the law ( form those in the law)...
So when YOU post a bible verse it's authoritative, but when someone else posts one it's just foolishness.
You aren't here to have a discussion. You're hear to preach and expect us to just listen and applaud you. I don't think you've come to the right place, my friend. This is a place of sometimes vigorous debate.
How would it be wise to hear someone who denies the Messiah came to earth ?
That goes for those who say they are Christian, as many antichrists came, who deny Christ has come in the flesh.
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
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How would it be wise to hear someone who denies the Messiah came to earth ?
That goes for those who say they are Christian, as many antichrists came, who deny Christ has come in the flesh.
None of the Christians here deny that "Christ has come in the flesh."
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How would it be wise to hear someone who denies the Messiah came to earth ?
That goes for those who say they are Christian, as many antichrists came, who deny Christ has come in the flesh.
None of the Christians here deny that "Christ has come in the flesh."
This is told how they deny Him:
Titus 1:14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
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This is told how they deny Him:
I don't see any Christians here denying Him, Gordon.
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This is told how they deny Him:
I don't see any Christians here denying Him, Gordon.
Many follow the subtil ways of the devil, taught by his ministers:
Matthew 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
2 Peter 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
2 Corinthians 11:13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.
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Many follow the subtil ways of the devil, taught by his ministers:
You don't even know anyone here. How can you cast aspersions like this? Matthew 7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
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Many follow the subtil ways of the devil, taught by his ministers:
You don't even know anyone here. How can you cast aspersions like this? Matthew 7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
It is testimony that many follow the subtle ways of the devil, and that they profess Christ but deny Him by being as told: ( WITH FEIGNED WORDS)
2 Peter 2:2 And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of.
3 And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.
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It is testimony that many follow the subtle ways of the devil, and that they profess Christ but deny Him by being as told: ( WITH FEIGNED WORDS)
LOL Mathew 7 is feigned words now? Get outta here.
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It is testimony that many follow the subtle ways of the devil, and that they profess Christ but deny Him by being as told: ( WITH FEIGNED WORDS)
LOL Mathew 7 is feigned words now? Get outta here.
How is it judging others, by showing the judgement of God ?
God has testified to us, how many deny him, it is not acknowledgment of Gods testimonies to state nobody on a forum denies him.
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How is it judging others, by showing the judgement of God ?
You are judging others in saying that they deserve the judgement of God. This is spiteful, hateful behavior, and most definitely not Christian.
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How is it judging others, by showing the judgement of God ?
You are judging others in saying that they deserve the judgement of God. This is spiteful, hateful behavior, and most definitely not Christian.
Yes you are judging others by claiming they are Christians not denying Christ, when you confess you are a Jew ( denying Christ.)
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you are judging others by claiming they are Christians not denying Christ, when you confess you are a Jew ( denying Christ.)
These are my friends you are talking about. I know them for many years. I know what they believe better than you do. You don't know them at all. And I am testifying that they are devout Christians. So take your judgmental attitude elsewhere.
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you are judging others by claiming they are Christians not denying Christ, when you confess you are a Jew ( denying Christ.)
These are my friends you are talking about. I know them for many years. I know what they believe better than you do. You don't know them at all. And I am testifying that they are devout Christians. So take your judgmental attitude elsewhere.
Jesus testified this to the men of Israel:
John 8:41 Ye do the deeds of your father. Then said they to him, We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God.
42 Jesus said unto them, If God were your Father, ye would love me: for I proceeded forth and came from God; neither came I of myself, but he sent me.
43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
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Jesus testified this to the men of Israel:
I don't know how to tell you this, but you are not Jesus.
This is just cosplay to you. You quote Jesus and get to pretend that you're Jesus.
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Many follow the subtil ways of the devil, taught by his ministers:
You don't even know anyone here. How can you cast aspersions like this? Matthew 7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Fortunately Fenris, we are not going to be judged by Gordon :)
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Let us have a moment of silence for gordon, who showed up just to tell us we're all unfaithful, only to suddenly and abruptly leave.
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Is the moment of silence over yet?
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Is the moment of silence over yet?
Oh yeah, basically as soon as I hit 'Post'.
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Hey, no laughter or having fun, lest we be judged by Gordon!
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I'd be curious to hear what others believe the most important fundamental beliefs of Christianity are? Perhaps you believe they're enshrined in the creeds, or in your denominational statement of beliefs?
The fundementals of the Christian faith are these:
1.) Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God.
2.) Jesus Christ is the Second Person of the Godhead which is made up of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
3.) Jesus Christ is the God/Man. 100% God. 100% Man.
4.) Jesus Christ is the Sacrifice for the sin of the world.
5.) Jesus Christ died, was buried, and rose again, because though He became the guilty party, there was no sin in Him.
6.) Jesus Christ now sits at the right hand of God the Father exercising His position as the believer's Advocate.
7.) Jesus Christ will return one day and rule the world in Righteousness.
8.) All of this is revealed in both Old and New Testaments which make up the Bible. 66 Books. 39 in the Old. 27 in the New.
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